You CANNOT extend your penis!

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smallblock: [quote author=tripod2004 and partner link=board=pe;num=1081118353;start=0#19 date=04/09/04 at 11:15:39]One final point, you'll be relieved to hear. I've looked back at most of the previous topics relating to penis growth. There are more replies claiming it doesn't necessarily work than there are positive results. Only one claims 1/2'' and thats it.
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god... you think we're stupid? why are you even here if you're just going to make stuff, up?

you gonna go to that african tribe now and tell them that sticking rings under their chin won't make their neck longer?

have you not been listening?

you ask "why hasent anyone come forward if they've found these easy gains?" because there are no easy gains. just because no one has found an EASY way doesn't mean that its imposible.

as mentioned over and over, these programs take YEARS. and most people give up in a mater of weeks.

i've personally read several of the jelquing posts on this site and others with people claiming all kinds of reached goals.

another thing, you claim "NO LENGTHINING PROGRAMS WORK!" yet, when people claim 1/2 inch style gains, you say "who cares about 1/2 inch" its gains isn't it?

you can't say nothing works, and then dismiss it when they do as being too insignificant, i've read several posts here where guys want to add a inch and a half, or sometimes just a half. seems significant enough to me.

if you're so unwilling to believe the posts of other members here, why should anyone believe you. i'm starting to think its YOUR ideas that are the ones that don't matter and are insignificant.

or you're just trolling.

this is one of the worst cases of opinionated, uncompromising, uninformed posting i've seen in a good long time. your argument up to now, so far, has been based simply on "i havn't tried it, or looked into it much, but i'm right and you're wrong because i don't believe it."

 

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JoeAgain: [quote author=Jimbo link=board=pe;num=1081118353;start=0#13 date=04/07/04 at 00:28:19]Tripod et al:

There are sites not driven by ANY commericial advertising that are enlargement forums where dedicated "PE'ers"  share different techniques that WORK.  i suggest you visit one of them before making a blanket statement that really has NO basis in FACT.

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Please point out some of these sites too me. I have asked before and every single link I have ever been provided that explains PE or Jelq was either a "pay to be a member" site, or wanted to get money from you some way or another.

It's not that I don't believe it, but I must admit I am highly skeptical, because like I said, every site I've ever seen that deals with it had some kind of monetary gain at stake. I would love the opportuntiy to get all the facts and judge for myself, but I would have to kick my own ass if I paid for something that didn't work, especially if I was fairly sure beforehand that it wouldn't.

Thanks in advance.

 

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john_jones9: A bit off topic, but check out the link:

First off, yeah, I know this is a support group, but more often than not, not much supporting is going on. And sorry to cross post this so much.

Second off, there are men and women on this board who post very nice, well meaning and well thought out, interesting and sometimes amusing posts. To those, thank you and skip this diatribe.

Third, there are a lot of men, boys, women (?), girls (?) who post often and claim to be HUGE, and by that I mean 12-18 inches in length and 8-12" in circumference. There were quite a lot of posts of that sort in the "Young and Hung" section under the topics "Over 12 and Under 18" and a few other.

Can I really believe that there are men out there that large? I can do a few things. The first is to look at variations in physical size amoung humans.

For instance, there are men over 8' tall (at least there have been in recent history) and women over 7' tall, so perhaps 18" long and 12" around penis' are possible. On the other hand, the variation in height shows the tallest men having heights of 150% the average man (~9' of Robert Wadlow, see GBWR and ~6' average US male, okay 5'8" - 5'10" but round up) which translates to a 9" long and 7.5" around penis.

Going another route, women's breasts show a wide variety in size. First off, I assume that the average cup size to be a B (1" difference between bust and chest), which is a statistic I read and something I believe because looking for a bra for my wife at Victoria's Secrect showed the 34B bins to be the most depleted. Next I find the largest cup size advertised online of GG (9" bigger around the bust than chest). Then I consider the volumes these bras imply assuming that the volume around the chest can be roughly approximated by a cylinder with the circumference being give by the bra and cup size. Assuming the heights of the cylinders to be the same, then the ratio of GG to B depends only on the ratio of the square of the circumferences. Finally assuming that the chest measurements are the same for the GG and B cup women then the actual breast size difference is 1.5:1 (assuming a 34GG compared to a 34B). But that's in volume, so going up from the volume of the average 6" long 5" circumference penis of about 12 cubic inches gives 18 cubic inches and assuming the length to circumference ratio to be about 1.5:1 then the large penis would be about 8" long and 5.5" around.

That's two different estimates that give about the same answer, not exactly the same, but not incredibly different.

This makes it easy for me to believe the guys who claim to be in the 8-10" range for length and 6-8" range of circumference, but makes it very hard for me to believe the claims of guys in the 11" plus length range and/or 9" plus circumference range.

Still I know there are men that large out there. Long Dong Silver was that large (that's Dong, not Dan). I've seen picture and vidoes and even conservatively he was over a foot in length, as were "The Texas Longhorn" and "Mr. Mx." But all three of them (one black, two white) looked to be in the 6-8" circumference range. And none of them seemed to have a "working" erection.

So what's the "long and short" of it? I just can't believe the claims of guys in the 11" plus length and/or 9"+ girth range. And espcially not when those claims are coupled with "rock hard" erections. Even John Holmes (who was between 10" (if you believe a lot of people) and 12" (if you believe Ron Jeremy)) and was more often than not "half hard." Most of the big guys in porn today look to be in the 8"-10" length range with a few that might be legitimate 12-inchers.

I can believe that guys can use a vacuum pump to obtain temporarily outrageous sizes, take a look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jojospumpgroup/?yguid=94895042 as an example of one guy who does it.

Recently I PM'd about a dozen of the guys claiming to be over a foot long asking for photographic proof. Sure I know, this is a support group, but still outrageous claims need some support of their own. Of those 12+ men I wrote, only two wrote back to provide photographic proof and even the pictures those two provided didn't seem to math their claimed size, they were big and impressive for sure, but both looked to be in the "comofortably" believable 8"-10" size range. I won't name names, or forward pictures, so don't be worried.

If you're really 11"+ and want to convince me, send a clear picture with a ruler and your penis and I'll sing your praises to anyone you want. But until that time I remain very skeptical about the very large size claims.

F.Y.I. I'm 7.25" in length from base to tip along the top and 5.5" around the middle. Nice, but I'd like to be bigger. There you have it. If you want to label be as "jealous" have at it.

 

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chi8wannabe: The following site has a lot of info on enlargement, with progress stories and pictures. They don't sell anything, and it's free!

http:/thundersplace.com/forum

 

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Buzzy: smallblock -
I'm on your side here, however I want to clarify that the Thai women who place rings around their neck don't elongate their necks.  Over time the rings gradually deform the collar bone and upper ribs to create the illusion that the neck is longer.  This, in a way, still demonstrates that our bodies can adapt their shape to the environment.

 

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my7u9i: I am sorry fellows, but it is very possible to gain inches to your penis.

www.mattersofsize.com/forum

You are missing out. I started with 6.0 inches and now I am 8.50 inches long. My name is channel7. If you join the forum you can look up my post where my pic is and you will see the truth. I can no longer stand by and listen to people say it is impossible. It is very possible and I have been very successful. My girlfriend is very happy as well.

 

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smallblock: you're right. thanks for pointing that out.

[quote author=Buzzy link=board=pe;num=1081118353;start=20#24 date=04/17/04 at 02:03:52]smallblock -
I'm on your side here, however I want to clarify that the Thai women who place rings around their neck don't elongate their necks.  Over time the rings gradually deform the collar bone and upper ribs to create the illusion that the neck is longer.  This, in a way, still demonstrates that our bodies can adapt their shape to the environment.
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tripod2004: The website just quoted costs $50 - repeat $50! and clearly states it involves CONSIDERABLE risk. The 200% cashback is only for the brave few who claim it. These guys know how to make money from mugs. We've researched them. Leave well alone!

 

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Janet49: As large as you guys are, why would you even want to be any larger?

 

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Janet49: As large as you guys are, why would you even want to be any larger? I've never seen this pump thing but it doesnt sound all that safe!

 

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Duo187: Allow me to say this, there are ways to extend, while some might not work for others there are those who believe in it enough that their mind can trigger the growth. Our minds have alot of power, and if we were to tap into that, instead of our penis what we could do with our body is limitless.

 

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Ineligible: I've wondered myself whether attitude influences growth. We know that attitude affects the immune system, and people who are optimists and fighters live longer, so it doesn't seem so far-fetched. I'm not sure about "limitless", though.

 

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I'm glad to see a few of our other members have come forward to post of their own successes with PE. I knew all along that I wasn't all by myself!

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"I've wondered myself whether attitude influences growth..."

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I think it does.

In fact , I definitely KNOW it does.

Believing in future results (even before they ever start happening) is crucial for any man if he is to have the personal stamina needed to "stick with the program."

If someone would do the very same thing in "other" kinds of body building / developing projects.....that is maintaining a positive attitude, why then, WOULDN'T this same principle not apply to PE?

(You know....the idea of mind-over-matter.)

What we think DOES influence what we become.

If a man wants a bigger size....REALLY wants a bigger size, he will devote his whole self into the project.
And, that would certainly includes his mind!

(btw--- I think this can be done within a PE program without being deemed a "whacko", too!).
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I've never divulged this little fact from my own PE experience, but here goes: At this point, I really don't care what anyone thinks of me.

Just as guys who are into other forms of bodybuilding might just have a photo or two of the "kind" of bodies they are striving for, I see nothing wrong with having a clear distinct visual image of the intended size increase you're aiming for in PE......so long as the goal is within reason (i.e. an inch or two of gain which IS possible.) Frequently referring to a few photos which resemble your intended future dimensions is a great way to put that image deep within your psyche to stimulate your results to come as your PE regimen continues. I kept several such "images" handy and even "studied" them during my PE program! I would take special notice and would pick out certain "traits and trends" of the larger size organs to watch for as my own finally started becoming similar as well.....longer, more "lanky" when flaccid, more flexible, more veiny, more wrinkly when soft, etc.. I also deliberately avoided measuring too often. Since PE results do occur very slowly, there's no need to aggravate one's spirits by observing such very little progress on a DAILY basis. --Give it time. Do your measuring maybe once a month or even wait longer....(if you can stand to!)

Finding ways to further fortify and set our personal PE goals very clearly in mind can only postively influence our achievements and final results. I attribute a lot of my own personal PE success to keeping visual suggestions of my intended future size constantly available for inspiration purposes. (NO---these images weren't on the living room walls! But, I had a few places where I knew how to get to 'em!...you know--a few private, very discreet places known only to me.)

My point here is that I never lost sight of what I wanted to become and I managed to convinced myself the results were going to be worth the effort...no matter how long it took to get them...even through many, many plateaus (when results slowed down).

If any of what I've shared here sounds sick to some of you, --sorry. I just know the "attitude thing" DID work for me. I absolutely refused to give up... I would not.

(I wanted my PE results THAT badly.)

 

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john_jones9: [quote author=Duo187 link=board=pe;num=1081118353;start=20#30 date=04/21/04 at 16:59:00]Allow me to say this, there are ways to extend, while some might not work for others there are those who believe in it enough that their mind can trigger the growth. Our minds have alot of power, and if we were to tap into that, instead of our penis what we could do with our body is limitless.[/quote]


Gotta call bullshit on this (and your claimed size). We don't have mental powers over our physical make up. Sure we can have a good attitude and that can help keep us healthy and so forth, but it won't change cock size. The whole "we only use 10 percent of our brain" is bullshit. We use all of it, just not for conscious thought. There's a lot of brain work to be done to regulate our body on a second by second basis.

Pumping gives small tempoary increases, or large ones if you're really into it, see the link to Jojo's page for evidence. Stretching might work since the stretch might break down tisses and scare tissue could make your cock larger. Jelqing, if it works at all, probaby works along the same lines as stretching. Which ever method you pick, you won't gain all that much size unless you're really obsessed and do it all the time, again see Jojo.

As for Enzyte. I surfed over to their site the other day and read the disclaimer at the bottom of their page. It went something like this: "Does not increase penis size." How the fuck are they sponsoring a Nascar team?

 

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Ineligible: I like your no-nonsense attitude, john_jones9, and perhaps it's needed here. But just as we can easily go off the rails into fantasy land, it's also possible to become so rigidly attached to a "no-nonsense" view that we never learn anything new that doesn't fit into what we already know.

I'm sure there is nothing that will make any dramatic changes. Mental effects, if they exist, are likely to be subtle, like the mental effects on the immune system (which also used to be considered to be nonsense).

But it's good for dreamers and realists to challenge each other.

 

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john_jones9: Inell, me too, that is if it takes double digits to get in.

As for the mental effects, that's purely fiction. There are people who use a lot more of their brains the the average person, those people are called epileptics because they have epileptic seizures when a great percentage of their brain is working, i.e neurons firing.

As for the pumping. It gives temporary effects. In the tube under low pressure after several minutes (e.g. 30 to 45) a penis will "grow" in that it will swell and fill with fluids (other than just blood tripod, it's not just an erection giving device) and look puffy like the area around a bruise or infected sore which also swells because fluids fill the area. The swelling can stay for several hours if you use the pump for a long time.

I suppose you could stretch the skin of your penis if you pump often and perhaps stretch other parts of it, but unless you're into extreme body modification (e.g. foot binding, neck or lip stretching) that requires an exerted effort over an extended time there will be no permanent increase in size.

Same for stretching and jelqing, they might cause some damage to the tissue and the scaring that results could increase the size a bit (less than an inch) but even that takes a long time and a lot of effort.

I really wish something would work, but everything I've looked into seems to suggest that at this time penis enlargement is just fantasy. I've looked into surgery too and seen that the fat injections are often reabsorbed by the body and can lead to odd and irregular shapes. Cutting the suspensory ligament is iffy too, you've got to have the penis under tension so that the cut heals one way. Without the tension the healing of the cut could actaully reduce the length!

 

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Ineligible: john_jones9, I agree with you that saying people only use 10% of their brains is simplistic, but I don't think it's what people are talking about. (BTW, though, there have been hydrocephalics with normal intelligence and functioning despite having a hollow brain - but that's a different issue.) It is possible for some normally involuntary nerve-controls functions to be put under voluntary control; but perhaps that isn't the issue either. As far as I know, we don't know how the effect of the mind on the immune system is mediated, so we don't know if it is applicable to other systems or not.

I agree with your general assessment of penis enlargement methods. I have, however, talked to enough people, including some that I am perfectly convinced are telling the accurate truth, to be assured that length increases by jelqing of over an inch (but perhaps not very much more) are possible. At the same time I have spoken to many more people who have tried hard without success.

 

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my7u9i: If they tried hard and were not successful. Then they did not want it bad enough. It is not something that happens over night. It takes patience and consistent effort. There are communities of guys engaging in penis enlargement methods with success. It is real. If you chose not to participate in the methods then that is your problem. It is great to know that it works. Everyone has there opinion.

That is why I told some of the other guys that the world is not ready for penis enlargement. We need to keep it private.

 

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Buzzy: John_jones9

I think you are mischaracterizing penis enlargement surgery.  

I agree that fat injections are a less than ideal, but there are other procedures that can create a very satisfactory increase in girth.

After surgery it is possible that scar tissue (inside the body) may shorten the penis.  Thus, most surgeons recommend using a stretching device to reduce the chances this will occur.  Additionally, using the weights may supplement surgery by furthering gains.

 

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I fully believe enlargement is possible .... I've recently begun using a combo of pumping and jelqing. I know it'll prolly be quite along while before I get strong results, but thats fine. At 22 I have all the time in the world.