Are ALL things Equal ???

[B_theOtherJJ]

Recently, a Lesbian couple from the Bronx Preparatory High School in NYC was named "BEST COUPLE" by their classmates. As this may, on the surface seem a positive thing and a step in the right direction for social equality, do you think the title would have been bestowed had the couple been GAY MALE ????

Its my opinion that main stream public finds it easier to swallow Lesbianism than Homosexuality.

what are your thoughts ?

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

Recently, a Lesbian couple from the Bronx Preparatory High School in NYC was named "BEST COUPLE" by their classmates. As this may, on the surface seem a positive thing and a step in the right direction for social equality, do you think the title would have been bestowed had the couple been GAY MALE ????

Its my opinion that main stream public finds it easier to swallow Lesbianism than Homosexuality.

what are your thoughts ?

Now who's swallowing lesbians? :wink: Interesting question. Lesbianism certainly is more accepted in mainstream movies accordng to some articles. I don't think there's anyway to tell if a gay male would be accepted in a similar situation till that time arises.
Hell one of my best friends had to go to supreme court when we were in high school to take a male date to the prom in the late 70s. Is that even accepted now? I don't know, I've been out of school awhile.
Good topic tho!

 

[mitchymo]

I think lesbianism is easier for the 'caring' population to deal with because its not really homosexuality that bothers those that 'care', its actually the buggery that makes them want to take 'extra special care' not to condone an act that could plunge society into a deep dark hole....

 

[B_theOtherJJ]

I think lesbianism is easier for the 'caring' population to deal with because its not really homosexuality that bothers those that 'care', its actually the buggery that makes them want to take 'extra special care' not to condone an act that could plunge society into a deep dark hole....

Hmmm, clever play on words Mitchy, but the bigger question is WHY does the general public even care so much. As long as they are in Happy relationships, why do they care what others do ? Do they foresee another Sodom and Gomorrah ???? The downfall of society if 2 men have sex. Are gays that powerful that they can destroy civilization???

 

[B_Stronzo]

Recently, a Lesbian couple from the Bronx Preparatory High School in NYC was named "BEST COUPLE" by their classmates. As this may, on the surface seem a positive thing and a step in the right direction for social equality, do you think the title would have been bestowed had the couple been GAY MALE ????

Its my opinion that main stream public finds it easier to swallow Lesbianism than Homosexuality.

what are your thoughts ?

What a tremendous question.

And I say ABSOLUTELY NOT.

This heterosexual male preoccupation with female homosexuality has helped mainstream lesbians. Conversely I observe that gay male couples are more vilified by the public mentality (and among their hetero peers) than ever.

The imbalance is astoundingly clear.

** but lesbianisn is homosexuality. Isn't it just telling that THE MAN has given gay women their own term? I've heard seemingly intelligent men say "oh they're not gay, they're lesbians"

It's clear that the dominant hetero male wants to perpetuate only that which makes him glandularly happy. That which he fears (or recognizes in himself and wants to eradicate) will be subliminally dealt with.

think lesbianism is easier for the 'caring' population to deal with because its not really homosexuality that bothers those that 'care', its actually the buggery that makes them want to take 'extra special care' not to condone an act that could plunge society into a deep dark hole....

If so then mitch... why are so many men insisting on anal intercourse with their female partners? It's pervasive here in the States.

 

[Drifterwood]

For the record, I personally much prefer the vagina, though I have when requested by partners had anal sex with them.

I think you are probably right, though I wouldn't underestimate how disgusting some women find lesbianism.

Without writing an essay on this, I would hesitantly conclude that men having sex with other men is just not considered manly, whilst women having sex with each other is more comprehensible within the stereotyping of the genders.

 

[B_Stronzo]

For the record, I personally much prefer the vagina, though I have when requested by partners had anal sex with them.

I think you are probably right, though I wouldn't underestimate how disgusting some women find lesbianism.

Without writing an essay on this, I would hesitantly conclude that men having sex with other men is just not considered manly, whilst women having sex with each other is more comprehensible within the stereotyping of the genders.

And it's to this very phenomenon so concisely described above I express my anger at how easily this society is manipulated. I think you may well be one of the most utterly heterosexual men I've ever encountered Drifterwood. It's refreshing I must tell you. Your candor and your take on things generally always bespeak the self-knowledge of an individual entirely in tune with the substance of who he is. Bravo.

For what it's worth I know many women who watched the American version of Queer as Folk for its entire run and (though largely reticent to admit it) find male on male pornography ultra-stimulating.

But again to reinforce your premise Drifterwood for the most part they'd dare mention it to but a few.

The arrogant double standard of it pisses me off (much as I loathe that expression) to the nth.

When I was primarilly with women I found the vagina infinitely appealing. When I was with an attractive woman for whom I had deep affection it was highly erotic. The notion of anal sex (AGAIN MY VIEW HERE) inflicted on a woman who does not have a prostate to stimulate is enough to make the will all still.

 

[mitchymo]

If so then mitch... why are so many men insisting on anal intercourse with their female partners? It's pervasive here in the States.

Primarily, those that 'care' that i am refering to are generally religious. It goes without saying that in some countries it IS homosexuality itself that is the issue but for those in the west it is buggery....homophobes argue the point as a way of seperating homosexuality from lesbianism.
Simply the untolerable population is actually pretty damn tolerable of fem-fem relationships. As you have mentioned it suits hetero men to take that approach.

 

[B_Stronzo]

gotcha Mitch. Thanks for explaining.

 

[Drifterwood]

I have heard "faggot" being spat out with more venom than I have ever heard a racial slur. This suggests to me that the hatred of gay men is still engrained as deeply in some as it was to those who called its act an abomination in Leviticus and furthermore that this hatred is fuelled by fear and the challenge that open homosexuality poses to such people.

Western religiosity is built upon simple duallism; good vs bad/evil, right vs wrong. I have to say that this view of the world was recently embodied by George W and if you happen to not conform to the with us, then you are attacked as being against us.

The fact that men who do not conform to the stereotype are more vilified than the women who don't, lies to my mind in our cultural patriarchy, which itself is embedded in simple duallism and places the man above the woman. If you think of the brand of your country, are you young, strong and virile? If that is the self image, then I wouldn't be surprised that you find homophobia.

I am not a duallist and I don't hold to political propaganda. To thyself be true and look for the Tao of all things.

 

[Mark_UK]

Homophobia of all kinds stems from the fear of what people see in themselves. There but for the grace of god go I and all that bollocks.
Having this cat glued to my head is starting to piss me off a bit.