Facebook HATE GROUP

You don't need a thesaurus or a dictionary. You need a score card . . . and a bookie.

I know why my money's on.

I support Gillette entirely. I can't speak my mind myself to HG as i'm on his ignore list literally or willfully at least. What she says i'll believe on this one.
 
Gillette, I've lost any respect I had for you as an intelligent person.

First, this isn't about me. I'm not sure why you've chosen to make this so personal, but you're laboring under the same misconception that all who fall into the tired realm of ad hominen do...that if you somehow expose some flaw in me, the person, then you'll have magically proven some larger philosophy that I espouse to be flawed. All your searching through my posts, trying to cut and paste a picture to suit your idea of me as a flawed person...wasted effort. Even if you were right and I was a total hypocrite, you wouldn't have proven anything at all with regard to the veracity of my point on the actual subject at hand.

That said, you're still dead wrong about me. It's amusing that you can't (or won't) realize it, because you've actually cut/pasted the defining statement more than once now. My irritation with the OP and the subsequent respondents here was never with their right to report the hatemonger, nor with the hatemonger's right to be an idiot...it has always been with the brainless groupthink on display.

Yes, I reported a nasty little asshole when I believed he had crossed the line here by personally attacking an individual. I did not do so like a lemming at the behest of some hyperbolically aggrieved third party...I did so after witnessing it first-hand and deciding for myself to act. I did not call for his banning...but I did take you to task for disappearing the thread that did so. Why? Because, again, I despise anyone presuming to do the thinking for others. Completely consistent with my viewpoints on this thread as well.

Enjoy your flowers.
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I lost any interest in what you think when I saw you abuse someone for speaking freely on a thread where they were invited to do just that (on a forum specifically created to give posters a place where they would have no fear of expressing themselves freely, no less. Irony thick enough to choke on, that).
Your regard is no loss.

The only reason I made this personal is that you, as a person, had the nerve to chastise others for doing the exact same thing you yourself did, and supported.

You say my pointing out your hypocrisy doesn't affect your point. I say you can't decide what your point is. First, it seemed both, then, when you finally decided to clarify, it was censorship you decried, now, having lost that flag to wave, it's groupthink.

Normally I'd insist you pick one but in this case it doesn't matter because you are wrong to think that you, in particular, are in a position to sound off indignantly on either.

The thread whose right to exist you fought for was seeking to incite groupthink to effect the silencing of another member. To see you shake your finger at the OP or the other thread participants when you have praised such behaviour for less cause elsewhere is nauseating.

Your "point" in this thread, as I see it, is to appear holier than thou. If you dare to preach what you don't practice then what you're spouting is pointless.
 
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Whatever else, I had a point to make. You've chimed into this discussion for no other reason than to take personal shots at me.


I lost any interest in what you think when I saw you abuse someone for speaking freely on a thread where they were invited to do just that (on a forum specifically created to give posters a place where they would have no fear of expressing themselves freely, no less.

Nice vague, nebulous allusion there, G. :rolleyes: And an hilariously ironic accusation coming from one with such a storied history of discussion censorship.


The only reason I made this personal is that you, as a person, had the nerve to chastise others for doing the exact same thing you yourself did, and supported.

No, in your overzealous desire to attack me, you myopically misinterpreted the reason for my chastising, and have proceeded to act like a puerile lout from that erroneous foundation. That you continue to do so even after having your mistake pointed out is just petty.
 
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Can we pass out some thesaurus' or dictionaries with this thread?

I'll translate it all into cheapo, everyday-speak. :wink:

*HazelGod is guilty of the heinous crime of saying 'myopia', when 'short-sightedness' would do just as well. :p
 
HazelGod is guilty of the heinous crime of saying 'myopia', when 'short-sightedness' would do just as well. :p

Zing!

This last one was my favorite, "you myopically misinterpreted the reason for my chastising, and have proceeded to act like a puerile lout from that erroneous foundation."

It just rolls off the tongue.
 
Suppression of expression is almost never a good thing, and should never be applied without the most clear necessity.
Not about groupthink.

After all, what constitutes offensive material is entirely subjective and will vary from person to person...so whose standard of acceptability do you propose to judge all others by?
Not about groupthink.

That's what we've been trying to impress to people about the double-edged nature of free expression...if you feel certain opinions should be condemned, then you are free to do so. Not everyone will agree with you, however, on what deserves condemnation and what does not. It's better to allow the marketplace of ideas to police itself than attempt to implement any direct control over the expression of thought.
Not about groupthink.

You chastise people for reporting their objections to a facebook group.

No, I didn't.
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The purpose of this thread was to have an unpopular message silenced, plain and simple. The mechanism and semantics are immaterial to me...it's the intent that I find so appalling.
Mechanism (groupthink)- immaterial, intent (censorship)- appalling.

Seeking to silence an opponent with whom one disagrees is horrible/unconstitutional/in bad taste?

That's the one.
Not about groupthink.

Because the censors here at the site removed it...exactly the sort of behavior I've been denouncing.
Not about groupthink.

My irritation with the OP and the subsequent respondents here was never with their right to report the hatemonger, nor with the hatemonger's right to be an idiot...it has always been with the brainless groupthink on display.
Bullshit.

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Whatever else, I had a point to make. You've chimed into this discussion for no other reason than to take personal shots at me.

Wrong.

I'll assume the yawn was because you were tired, much like your arguments. And while I imagine you hope enough time has elapsed that you'll be successful in characterizing my joining this discussion as being solely to attack you the reason I posted was to address the admonishment over censorship. I did so without taking any personal shots. Perhaps reading it again will help you.
We as individuals are the market and individuals of the market reporting the hate group is the way the market polices itself. The private entity, Facebook, is the only one with direct control. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Key word bolded.
What in that hate group implied respect of gays to you?

The problem with the anti-censorship argument with regard to hate groups is that it relies on each individual weighing what is said and reaching the right/rational/intelligent/balanced/educated conclusion about it. Have you taken a good look at your fellow man? There are entirely too many sheeple who are too lazy to do their own thinking and arrive at their own conclusions. The very fact that advertizing works is proof of this.

What starts as a small group spreading hate unchallenged becomes a larger group, and as they spread that hate unchallenged more sheeple will think, "hey, no one is objecting so it must be okay", and on it grows.

Apathy -> desensitization -> acceptance.

The nazi comparison is apt. It was the steadily increasing propaganda against the jews that made it possible to sway an entire nation into compliance with the holocaust.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

The two of you advocate doing nothing. Fie on you.

Kudos to those who reported it.



Nice vague, nebulous allusion there, G. :rolleyes: And an hilariously ironic accusation coming from one with such a storied history of discussion censorship.
Nebulous because I haven't been to the site for months. It's off topic anyway and I shouldn't have alluded to it. Regardless, your opinion of me is a non issue, if my refusal to elaborate why helps to illustrate this point, good.


To your other "point", I vanished threads which were violations of the ToS of this privately owned site in accordance with my job. If you're expecting me to be embarassed for having done so you're wrong yet again.

No, in your overzealous desire to attack me, you myopically misinterpreted the reason for my chastising, and have proceeded to act like a puerile lout from that erroneous foundation. That you continue to do so even after having your mistake pointed out is just petty.
My only mistake was in thinking you could stick to a single sincere, on-topic position without all your waffling and condescention. You use the word "lynchmob" once then spend the bulk of your posts detailing the issues of censorship, yet somehow expect people to believe groupthink was your issue the whole time? That kind of fraudelent shit insults the intelligence of everyone on this thread.

Here's a newsflash for you. We are not students and you are no one's master. Don't expect people to keep guessing what you mean in hopes you'll recognise their achievement. Don't "tut tut" people for responding to what you wrote but apparently didn't, but did, then didn't again mean. If what you post is misunderstood it is not because our minds are too weak to penetrate your mystic wisdom, but due to your failure to communicate effectively.

The reality is that we are your peers. If we can make a clear and distinct point, stay faithful to it and elaborate on our reasons why but you won't, the accurate perception is that you don't really have a salient point to make.

Finally, entirely on the (developed) thread topic. I think that what happened on this thread was groupthink and censorship (of a sort) and I applaud it. I see precious little difference in what happened here to what happens on a regular basis in politics. An individual or group recognises that they have been/are being/might be marginalized by another group. They raise awareness and marshall the troops to spread the word and have their say as loudly as is possible through the channels available.

The shame isn't that it happened in this thread. The shame is that it doesn't happen as effectively in real life.
 
Since when do we have time limits on threads? If you don't find a thread interesting, relevant, or if it is in any other way uninteresting to you, you do have the option of not engaging the digit you use for left clicking. It gets bloodly tedious hearing the crying about threads you all don't like.