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Di_No said:
Oh Punk definitely was a problem, originally in WWE and in AEW, but I get the feeling that petty shit in WWE will be shut down by management pretty quickly. You won't get your Adam Page's and your Jungle Boy's going out on live TV and doing shit to stir trouble or your EVPs acting like children.

There are plenty of good things about AEW but the bad things are in danger of nullifying them.
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AEW is already finished. Money will just delay the inevitable calling of time of death.
But they've been haemorrhaging that without a return profit for almost 5 years.
 
Di_No said:
AEW.

Tony Khan clearly doesn't have much control over his talent and wants to be friends with everyone rather than being an actual boss.
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I just wrapped working with AEW firsthand and this idea that it’s chaotic and Tony has no control is internet bullshit. Nothing is ever copacetic for long when you’re working with talent but the company runs as smoothly as anyone could expect. They got big fast but as far as I can tell the necessary adjustments have been made.

I’ve also worked with WWE. It was fine from a corporate standpoint but I wouldn’t say the talent were any happier than they were at any other promotion at the time. This was in the pre-AEW Vince days and a lot of people felt trapped without a viable alternative in the States. Maybe things are better in whatever new era they’re in.
 
Enjay87 said:
AEW is already finished. Money will just delay the inevitable calling of time of death.
But they've been haemorrhaging that without a return profit for almost 5 years.
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That’s an insane take. The company is barely five years old and they’re doing very well. I think you’re doing some wishful thinking there.

EDIT: I know some of you aren’t gonna want to hear this but Nick and Matt know their shit and people like them. :joy: A lot of what you hear about them as EVP’s is fan fiction or the ravings of drama queens like Phil.
 
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Di_No said:
That's fair enough. I can only go on the perception as a fan but listening to Tony ramble at the press conferences make me glad I don't work for him.
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He’s not a performer, he’s a businessman. He’s awkward on the mic because he doesn’t really belong there. It’s a very different experience when you’re with him in person.
 
nomameswey said:
That’s an insane take. The company is barely five years old and they’re doing very well. I think you’re doing some wishful thinking there.

EDIT: I know some of you aren’t gonna want to hear this but Nick and Matt know their shit and people like them. :joy: A lot of what you hear about them as EVP’s is fan fiction or the ravings of drama queens like Phil.
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That's a mark take.
I'll stick with the facts.
AEW is not profitable, hasn't been, is unlikely to ever be.
Their ratings are abysmal and they can't get people in the building for free.
Matt and Nick have no power or influence within the company, so it doesn't matter if some people like them. All they book is themselves, and they're regularly the lowest viewed segment, so they obviously don't know what they're doing in that respect.
They know what they're doing when it comes to milking the cash cow and getting their family & friends on that gravy train too...
Can't fault them there.
 
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Di_No said:
That's fair enough. I can only go on the perception as a fan but listening to Tony ramble at the press conferences make me glad I don't work for him.
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Well he's a very sheltered autistic man-child who's desperate for acceptance from the wrestling community, so that would explain that.
He's insufferable.
 
Enjay87 said:
That's a mark take.
I'll stick with the facts.
AEW is not profitable, hasn't been, is unlikely to ever be.
Their ratings are abysmal and they can't get people in the building for free.
Matt and Nick have no power or influence within the company, so it doesn't matter if some people like them. All they book is themselves, and they're regularly the lowest viewed segment, so they obviously don't know what they're doing in that respect.
They know what they're doing when it comes to milking the cash cow and getting their family & friends on that gravy train too...
Can't fault them there.
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Mine is a “mark” take when I’ve actually been in the room where it happens but YOURS—a fan’s—is strictly factual? :joy: Okay guy, whatever you say.

Do you know what cable television ratings look like across the board? Do you know how many people watch television in the days after original air dates? The old rules don’t apply, as evidenced by the fact that the Turner people keep begging for more AEW product.

You say people are in the building for free at AEW live shows? Have you ever heard of “papering”? It’s a part of the business when it comes to weekly televised events. Most of the people there bought their tickets but everyone—including WWE—fills out venues for TV by giving away tickets.

As far as Nick and Matt go, they’re not the stars of the show and I think it’s clear that they know that. They’re not stopping anybody else from getting over and that’s what matters.
 
It will only die if the same thing that happened to WCW happens and they lose their TV deal.

But in the world of streaming and Youtube etc they would probably just continue there.
 
Di_No said:
It will only die if the same thing that happened to WCW happens and they lose their TV deal.

But in the world of streaming and Youtube etc they would probably just continue there.
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WCW had been in talks with WWE for months before the final episode of Nitro aired, so they didn’t lose their tv deal so much as move to USA and UPN as a part of WWE. Their downfall was getting so far out ahead of the WWF in the late nineties (ratings, live gate, star power, media presence, etc.) that they took the reigns off of creative and killed their product. By 2000 their shows were unwatchable and Attitude Era WWE was firing on all cylinders.

TNT and TBS love what AEW is doing for them so they’re not leaving TV anytime soon.
 
nomameswey said:
WCW had been in talks with WWE for months before the final episode of Nitro aired, so they didn’t lose their tv deal so much as move to USA and UPN as a part of WWE. Their downfall was getting so far out ahead of the WWF in the late nineties (ratings, live gate, star power, media presence, etc.) that they took the reigns off of creative and killed their product. By 2000 their shows were unwatchable and Attitude Era WWE was firing on all cylinders.

TNT and TBS love what AEW is doing for them so they’re not leaving TV anytime soon.
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Ok, not the story Bischoff and people have told but what do I know?
 
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