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lukaeber said:
The "typical rules of capitalism" don't say "price videos worth $2 at $100." Capitalism says prices are set by supply and demand. If you paid $5000 for a fake Rolex that was actually worth $0.50, would you not complain? Would that not be scamming? Or is that within the "typical rules of capitalism?"

How is that any different than an OF creator leading someone to believe that the video they are selling has content that is worth $100, when it is actually worth $2?

I'm exaggerating to get my point across, but your post makes no sense at all. Being a sex worker does not entitle someone to mislead people about what they are buying.

The worst thing is that OF actively promotes that kind of conduct by making it easy for models, often by default, to be non-transparent about what people are spending their money on. And they won't do anything about it after the fact.
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I said that the typical rules of capitalism DON'T apply to OF creators setting their prices. Learn to read better, dude.

And you are missing my point entirely. What is worth $2 to you might be worth $100 to the creator selling it. You can't compare individual creators' pricings with something like Rolex watches, because every creator has arbitrary feelings about their own value. So you can't say something is a "scam" just because you disagree with the value some creator has placed upon themselves. "Misleading" only applies if they actually lie about the content, not just because you happen to think it's worth less than they do.
 
BurningTreesAroundUs said:
I said that the typical rules of capitalism DON'T apply to OF creators setting their prices. Learn to read better, dude.

And you are missing my point entirely. What is worth $2 to you might be worth $100 to the creator selling it. You can't compare individual creators' pricings with something like Rolex watches, because every creator has arbitrary feelings about their own value. So you can't say something is a "scam" just because you disagree with the value some creator has placed upon themselves. "Misleading" only applies if they actually lie about the content, not just because you happen to think it's worth less than they do.
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That makes no sense. Why would the content have any value to him at all? Do you think he enjoys getting off to his own content? Maybe he does. If so, that's kind of hot. But I doubt it. Most people don't create this kind of content for their own consumption. Now, the cost of producing content can vary from person to person depending on how mentally taxing it is to expose themselves to strangers, but that is far different than saying that the content has some super high value to the model such that they can't bare to part with it unless someone pays an unreasonably high amount of money. And given what I've seen from him, I don't think he's having too many mental crises over sharing his content.

The content was clearly made for the purpose of selling it to other people. If so, the value it has to other people is sure as hell relevant when it comes to pricing. Digital media is a commodity. It isn't scarce. You can make millions of copies with little to no degradation in quality. It's not like an artist who creates one painting, that is super important to themselves and is only willing to part with it for a very high price.

His goal is clearly to make money, and his strategy is to charge as much money as possible because he knows there are simps out there that he can manipulate into paying anything to get a glimpse at a mediocre video of him fucking another guy. That's a great way to make a quick cash grab, but its not a good long term business strategy and, frankly, I find it pretty disgusting how these guys take advantage of people like that.

But, if you find it worth it, more power to you. Just stop telling everyone else that they hate sex workers because they aren't willing to fall for his scam.
 
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lukaeber said:
That makes no sense. Why would the content have any value to him at all? Do you think he enjoys getting off to his own content? Maybe he does. If so, that's kind of hot. But I doubt it. Most people don't create this kind of content for their own consumption. Now, the cost of producing content can vary from person to person depending on how mentally taxing it is to expose themselves to strangers, but that is far different than saying that the content has some super high value to the model such that they can't bare to part with it unless someone pays an unreasonably high amount of money. And given what I've seen from him, I don't think he's having too many mental crises over sharing his content.

The content was clearly made for the purpose of selling it to other people. If so, the value it has to other people is sure as hell relevant when it comes to pricing. Digital media is a commodity. It isn't scarce. You can make millions of copies with little to no degradation in quality. It's not like an artist who creates one painting, that is super important to themselves and is only willing to part with it for a very high price.

His goal is clearly to make money, and his strategy is to charge as much money as possible because he knows there are simps out there that he can manipulate into paying anything to get a glimpse at a mediocre video of him fucking another guy. That's a great way to make a quick cash grab, but its not a good long term business strategy and, frankly, I find it pretty disgusting how these guys take advantage of people like that.

But, if you find it worth it, more power to you. Just stop telling everyone else that they hate sex workers because they aren't willing to fall for his scam.
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Jesus Christ. This shit is not complicated. YOU make no sense.

He makes the content. He decides how much he wants to charge. What everyone chooses to charge is completely arbitrary. Pay for it or don't, but you don't get to tell creators what they must charge. Neither you nor anyone else is entitled to see creators' explicit content for the pennies that you have decided it is worth *to you*. He isn't taking advantage of anyone by charging what he's comfortable charging. No one is holding a gun to anybody's head forcing them to buy. We buy because we're horny and the content is available to be bought. It's as straightforward as that.
 
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BurningTreesAroundUs said:
Jesus Christ. This shit is not complicated. YOU make no sense.

He makes the content. He decides how much he wants to charge. What everyone chooses to charge is completely arbitrary. Pay for it or don't, but you don't get to tell creators what they must charge. Neither you nor anyone else is entitled to see creators' explicit content for the pennies that you have decided it is worth *to you*. He isn't taking advantage of anyone by charging what he's comfortable charging. No one is holding a gun to anybody's head forcing them to buy. We buy because we're horny and the content is available to be bought. It's as straightforward as that.
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They're allowed to charge whatever they want just like we're allowed to tell them to shove it lol. People are going to have an opinion about your product and the prices, at the end of the day, if you can't handle criticism or feedback, you're in the wrong field.
 
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lukaeber said:
That makes no sense. Why would the content have any value to him at all? Do you think he enjoys getting off to his own content? Maybe he does. If so, that's kind of hot. But I doubt it. Most people don't create this kind of content for their own consumption. Now, the cost of producing content can vary from person to person depending on how mentally taxing it is to expose themselves to strangers, but that is far different than saying that the content has some super high value to the model such that they can't bare to part with it unless someone pays an unreasonably high amount of money. And given what I've seen from him, I don't think he's having too many mental crises over sharing his content.

The content was clearly made for the purpose of selling it to other people. If so, the value it has to other people is sure as hell relevant when it comes to pricing. Digital media is a commodity. It isn't scarce. You can make millions of copies with little to no degradation in quality. It's not like an artist who creates one painting, that is super important to themselves and is only willing to part with it for a very high price.

His goal is clearly to make money, and his strategy is to charge as much money as possible because he knows there are simps out there that he can manipulate into paying anything to get a glimpse at a mediocre video of him fucking another guy. That's a great way to make a quick cash grab, but its not a good long term business strategy and, frankly, I find it pretty disgusting how these guys take advantage of people like that.
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There are corny g4pers out here selling fake sex content to genuinely happy customers. lol I think that's dumb as hell personally but those patrons seem happy with that uh... incredible content. That's their prerogative.

Your standards are not the same as other people. It's actually as simple as that. What's mediocre to you is enticing and hot to someone else. It's all subjective and therefore you can't actually say what content is actually WORTH, in a universal sense. There is no manipulation taking place here unless he's dishonestly selling content as something it's not
 
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bigboaster said:
There are corny g4pers out here selling fake sex content to genuinely happy customers. lol I think that's dumb as hell personally but those patrons seem happy with that uh... incredible content. That's their prerogative.

Your standards are not the same as other people. It's actually as simple as that. What's mediocre to you is enticing and hot to someone else. It's all subjective and therefore you can't actually say what content is actually WORTH, in a universal sense. There is no manipulation taking place here unless he's dishonestly selling content as something it's not
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I agree entirely. If people want to pay for it, good for them. It’s the manipulation through dishonest labeling that I have a problem with and the accusations that you somehow “hate sex workers” if you think they are overcharging for their content.
 
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1rkhachatryan said:
They're allowed to charge whatever they want just like we're allowed to tell them to shove it lol. People are going to have an opinion about your product and the prices, at the end of the day, if you can't handle criticism or feedback, you're in the wrong field.
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Of course people can complain about someone's prices. Nothing wrong with that. But then just don't pay for it and move on with your life and find some creator selling content that you can afford/think is worth it to you.

The problem is people in this thread suggesting that there is some objective value for OF content and if people deviate from this supposed "objective value" then they're being "scammers" or "manipulative". Those criticisms of any creator are unfair and undeserved just because you don't like what they decide to charge.
 
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BurningTreesAroundUs said:
Of course people can complain about someone's prices. Nothing wrong with that. But then just don't pay for it and move on with your life and find some creator selling content that you can afford/think is worth it to you.

The problem is people in this thread suggesting that there is some objective value for OF content and if people deviate from this supposed "objective value" then they're being "scammers" or "manipulative". Those criticisms of any creator are unfair and undeserved just because you don't like what they decide to charge.
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Unfortunately A LOT of bad apples have ruined the site for everyone as there are quite a few scammers on there. Kyle's fine as at least he shows something although everything being in PMS is annoying.
 
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lukaeber said:
The "typical rules of capitalism" don't say "price videos worth $2 at $100." Capitalism says prices are set by supply and demand. If you paid $5000 for a fake Rolex that was actually worth $0.50, would you not complain? Would that not be scamming? Or is that within the "typical rules of capitalism?"

How is that any different than an OF creator leading someone to believe that the video they are selling has content that is worth $100, when it is actually worth $2?

I'm exaggerating to get my point across, but your post makes no sense at all. Being a sex worker does not entitle someone to mislead people about what they are buying.

The worst thing is that OF actively promotes that kind of conduct by making it easy for models, often by default, to be non-transparent about what people are spending their money on. And they won't do anything about it after the fact.
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This is brilliantly said.
 
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