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Bah. I've been trying to come up with my own contribution to this thread, but my thoughts get all twisted around. So, I'll just say that I like your post lex and I like the discussion. Perhaps at some point I'll have the intellectual capacity of a multi-celled creature to make my own feelings known in an honest and contributing way.
 

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Lex, I am intrigued by the notion that while a separation of desire 50% straight 50% gay leads down an interesting path toward enlightenment, most people that I have met would simply cast away any of that desire toward enlightenment because the act of sex becomes part of the journey. For them being gay, queer, bi is repulsive. Unfortunately because enlightenment is viewed as purely a mental-spiritual journey that casts all physical desires aside, insert the word flesh here, the current mainstream thought base their foundations of enlightenment as a journey without the body -- as to say that in the here and now I could attempt to mirror an existence as a life after death. It boggles my mind that labels exist. But they do. I have seen myself use them. And their have been times when my ignornce has offended peope. And I hope that my apologies were accepted.

Enlightenment is a path full of choices and obstalces. This thread is a choice and an obstacle. How can it not be that some people would response harshly or with pity, or in agreement. Labels strike at the very core of a being because the path of self-understanding is a quest of self-improvement. However, a portion of that quest at times is selfish. Regardless of the connotation of the word selfish, the will to discover should outweigh the will to fail. And in that regard it is a selfish quest.

The will to seek self-understanding, in my opinion, is a powerful and rewarding path but along that journey a specific danger exists, as I see it. Being too critical. Much of life is experience and blind trust that tomorrow will arrive. A new dawn brings new possibilities. And I trust in those possibilities because I have opportunity to pick which ones matter to me.
 

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I really never label myself but since the topic is here...Like someone once said on here before - I am just sexual....I definitely prefer women but I can find men attractive at times....I am lucky I hang out with a bunch of cool guys that would be labeled "metrosexual" and are really in touch with there feelings and emotions and we are not afraid to express them verbally or physically.....I guess we are just super comfortable with each other....I don't know but from my experience it seems like straight guys are getting more open and sensitive with their feeling and expressing that....
 

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I am surprised that this thread has so few replies, then it may be that the replies are so full of wisdom that too many would cloud it. Thanks for the discussion Lex, and thanks for your honesty and integrity.
 

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burrito said:
Lex, I am intrigued by the notion that while a separation of desire 50% straight 50% gay leads down an interesting path toward enlightenment, most people that I have met would simply cast away any of that desire toward enlightenment because the act of sex becomes part of the journey. For them being gay, queer, bi is repulsive. Unfortunately because enlightenment is viewed as purely a mental-spiritual journey that casts all physical desires aside, insert the word flesh here, the current mainstream thought base their foundations of enlightenment as a journey without the body -- as to say that in the here and now I could attempt to mirror an existence as a life after death. It boggles my mind that labels exist. But they do. I have seen myself use them. And their have been times when my ignornce has offended peope. And I hope that my apologies were accepted.

Enlightenment is a path full of choices and obstalces. This thread is a choice and an obstacle. How can it not be that some people would response harshly or with pity, or in agreement. Labels strike at the very core of a being because the path of self-understanding is a quest of self-improvement. However, a portion of that quest at times is selfish. Regardless of the connotation of the word selfish, the will to discover should outweigh the will to fail. And in that regard it is a selfish quest.

The will to seek self-understanding, in my opinion, is a powerful and rewarding path but along that journey a specific danger exists, as I see it. Being too critical. Much of life is experience and blind trust that tomorrow will arrive. A new dawn brings new possibilities. And I trust in those possibilities because I have opportunity to pick which ones matter to me.

Awesome post, burrito. To be sure, there was a time when not 3 years ago when I felt my male urges to be repulsive. I was raised and trained to feel that way. And how does one balance his upbringing with the fact that male intimacy energized me? For me, that meant undoing my African American Southern Baptist upbringing and forging my own lists of (un)acceptable things and striking out on my own. Not easy, ongoing and I still struggle with it from time to time.

Self-understanding is a difficult path and people rarely want to turn the microscope o themselves. Steve319 (apologies for calling youout, Stud) often gets on me when I am hard on myself--"for someone so clear-eyed," he'll begin ...
To which I respond, "The lenses always fog when I look at myself..."

It's hard, HARD work. I can see why people shy away from it. The rewards ar elong in coming, athough great in breadth and depth. I would not have it any other way.
 

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My sexuality came into full bloom in Los Angeles which is a city of "types". People were always trying to put me into a catagory so they could have me figured out. The gay guys couldn't understand why I would fuck my ex-girlfriend and spend the night with here when she came to town. I couldn't understand what the big deal was about eating pussy, it came naturally. When pressed for a label, I've always replied the same as the great (and very dead) John Holmes: "I consider myself sexual".