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[deleted897665]

My opinion is if you're a male and you color between the lines of civilized behavior #metoo shouldn't impact shit. Including your dating and love life.

There are some blatantly stupid motherfuckers that deserve to be brought to task in the public eye. When false accusations are made that individual (male or female) needs to be equally chastised in the same manner if proven so for making false allegations.

Frankly celebrities and some of these pompous power fucks that have cashed in big are reaping what they sow. They think they can do what they want because of cash flow, are above the law and now they should get their just rewards behind bars.

Most guys learn through life by their mistakes, these fuck whits usually don't. Normal male behavior is when you have have negative feedback from a female for your words or actions you adjust and correct; these assholes take it to the next level until they achieve their goal or get caught. If they find a successful formula they go back to it, again and again until caught.

Both sexes own a certain amount of luggage for the problem. I am not talking about people who remained silent, I am talking about those that exploited the environment to their benefit and yes they exist.

I would bet that for every dozen or more victims or accusations there are at least one or two "fast trackers" that used the "quid pro quot system". There are probably an equal number of males as well that have pulled the same shit. I would love to see the feminist community call these dames out as well.

I think that people in today's society should not be revisiting what someone said 30 years ago and pissing or moaning about it, and trying to judge dumb ass behavior from the 80's off of today's moral compass such as snide remarks or NON-PHYSICAL behavior.

On the other hand rape, sexual assault, "pussy grabbing" fall outside boorish behavior and are fucking criminal. Statute of limitation laws on rape or sexual assault are total bullshit. If I had any type of power I would throw that shit out, there should be zero statute of limitations on rape or sexual assault. The fucking crime marks people for life. Again just my opinion the only thing that should be considered should be the age of the assailant and I would lower the bar on that as well, because IMHO males become more sexually active at a much younger age than what Doctor Phil and company claim. Just because some little prick was below the age of consent he shouldn't get a free pass.

Someone said you had a nice ass twenty years ago and they have now moved into a position of the public eye, leave it alone. The fucker tried to rape you at a beer blast or a keg party that shit needs to come out on Dr. Jekyll. To me it should be common sense.

Mooning someone or shaking your cock at someone 25 years ago on a passing bus is not nice, but rape is fucking rape and your ass needs to do time behind bars.

Well said.

 

[1336601]

I don't think it's affected my working life at all. I mostly keep to myself and only talk with female coworkers to lend help or when I need help, unless I make a friend out of them. Management on the other hand has gotten pretty shaken up by it, not surprising but really nice to see. The auto industry is pretty damn difficult for women to make it in, and most don't want to make a fuss when they've been fucked over, they just want the situation to be over with. My girlfriend was fired from her previous job for petitioning for a safer work environment and she's been horrified of making any sort of noise at our workplace ever since. She had every right to ask for more safety at the dump they called a shop she used to work at, she had signatures from every other technician, but when they handed it in she was the only one to get fired, also happened to be the only woman. Two kids, a mortgage and no job, do you worry about starting a legal pissing contest with a multi million dollar company or putting food on the table? I digress.

Hopefully it changes some stuff in porn. I remember being a kid first discovering porn and stumbling upon Max Hardcore (may he rot in hell), and it legitimately made me sick. Porn workers have it bad enough as it is dealing with the physical affects of catering to some pretty twisted tastes, nevermind what kind of stuff they likely deal with off camera. Hopefully this will shake the industry up enough that they have no choice but to start treating their workers like fellow humans rather than living fuck dolls, and all the people that get off on seeing women getting brutalized can frig off and get the professional help they need.

 

[twoton]

. . . and used for political posturing, as we have seen. We men are the devil these days.

I told a female co-worker I liked her perfume, and could she tell me the name so I could purchase for my wife. She told me, no problem. Another woman overheard, and told me I shouldn’t ask since that could be mis-interpreted. The world is f-ed up biggie today.

It could be misinterpreted, but it's certainly nothing that would be actionable.

 

[twoton]

Do you think/feel #Metoo has affected your dating/work life?

No. Not work life. I work with a lot of lawyers (including women) and they take a practical approach based on the law and the practicalities of life. We did have one easily offended woman who left for another job. Our top attorney (a woman) said, "Thank God. She's a walking harassment case waiting to happen."

also, do you think it's affected porn?

How could it possibly have affected porn? Porn has everything you want to see. Misogyny, misandry, misanthropy, whatever flavor you want.

 

[deleted897665]

No. Not work life. I work with a lot of lawyers (including women) and they take a practical approach based on the law and the practicalities of life. We did have one easily offended woman who left for another job. Our top attorney (a woman) said, "Thank God. She's a walking harassment case waiting to happen."

It could be misinterpreted, but it's certainly nothing that would be actionable.

The problem is most of us understand practical approaches. We know inappropriate behavior. We know rape, groping, assaults are serious crimes against anyone.

But when you get into subjective areas, or have an easily offended person, as suggested by a poster in the “can you count how many times. . . “ thread in the ask a woman forum, and it is implied that 1-standing too close, 2-looking too hard for too long, or 3-making more than one attempt to a disinterested woman, are even remotely close to what #metoo is about (or should be) well this shows how far things have gone awry, when you cannot even compliment someone on their perfume. And in today’s environment, the lawyers (and we) have our work cut out. It’s presumed one is guilty. The judgement has been made.

 

[twoton]

The problem is most of us understand practical approaches. We know inappropriate behavior. We know rape, groping, assaults are serious crimes against anyone.

But when you get into subjective areas, or have an easily offended person, as suggested by a poster in the “can you count how many times. . . “ thread in the ask a woman forum, and it is implied that 1-standing too close, 2-looking too hard for too long, or 3-making more than one attempt to a disinterested woman, are even remotely close to what #metoo is about (or should be) well this shows how far things have gone awry, when you cannot even compliment someone on their perfume. And in today’s environment, the lawyers (and we) have our work cut out. It’s presumed one is guilty. The judgement has been made.

I attended a couple seminars by top attorneys on workplace harassment in my state. They agreed that normal interactions like complimenting someone on her perfume, or a new hair style, etc are not only permissible, but could be argued as healthy and reasonable human interactions.

The problem arises when it becomes pervasive, persistent, and negatively impacts a person’s ability to do his/ her job. So if you made a habit of libidinously, licentiously sniffing the air every time she walked past, she’d probably have grounds to complain to her supervisor.

ETA--> the attorneys who presented included both defense and plaintiff attorneys who practiced in workplace harassment law.

 

[GoingOnABoeing]

I need you to name one person on the national stage whose reputation, career, or personal life was destroyed by overzealous feminist movement. Just one..not mitigated, paused, attenuated, but destroyed...

The Duke Lacrosse players. The "victim" and prosecutor fabricated the entire thing. Those who were easily swayed by emotion made their lives hell.

 

[DiomedesXVI]

Do you know how many ants you have inadvertently crushed? I'm serious, even with no intention or predilection for genocide, how many bugs, just by virtue of your size have you completely or nearly crushed? Assuming cross species communication were possible how exactly would you explain to an ant whose short life is full of observing humans nearly or completely crushing his bretheren, that you and others like you pose no threat to him?

That’s not how this works, that’s not how ANY of this works.

People like you frustrate me to no end, you come up as if you’re a huuuuuge champion defender of women, then go at lengths to show just how weak you think they are. Women are not like ants, men can’t crush them inadvertently with zero recognition of having done so. Anyone can make anyone else uncomfortable, humans in general have that potential. But you’re not going to sit here and try to hold this guy you’re responding to “accountable” for things you THINK he’s done despite knowing NOTHING about him, all because YOU have decided that in your mind all men are predators by default even if they don’t know it.

100% full stop, YOU are the problem buddy, YOU are a prime example of how the #metoo movement can go from admirable ambitious goals of protecting and defending women actually harmed by directly sexist predatory behaviour to a dehumanist McCarthy-esque warping of well-meaning men’s intentions for exploitative purposes of revenge or just narrative ideological posturing.

There is ZERO problem in admitting you’re wrong about broadbrushing the majority of men, who ARE innocent and do respect women by the way, without you having to double down and make reality seem more harrowing than it is as if every man is some ticking time bomb or inadvertent predator, learn it!

 

[DiomedesXVI]

@Tight_N_Juicy

I see you have tagged me over in a thread in ask a woman. But with all due respect, your response has nothing to do with mine here. So I would appreciate not having some cat and mouse tag game across threads.

My response in this thread has zero to say “women shouldn’t be cautious around men in general, because not all men” or anything to that degree which you interpreted my post as. Nope, my post was specifically addressing @Sagittarius84 and his jackassery in this thread trying to use his “I’m such a good ally of women, so good in fact, watch me bully @Jjz1109 and try to paint him as a predator, who, even if he protests my marring of his character based on zero evidence and only my own personal convictions that all men are predators mind you, I will just gaslight him and tell him he’s predates on women without even being conscious of doing so”.

THAT is what my post was about - calling out a snot-nosed virtue signalling gaslighting bully. So please don’t detract from that by bringing up points I never said or implied, and inadvertently letting his bullying behaviour on this thread slide under the radar.

But let’s quickly address your post anyway. I never said people can’t make others feel uncomfortable not knowing it. But the ant analogy he used wasn’t about making people feel uncomfortable. Specifically referring to “crushing” ants, in my mind, refers to assault or abuse, not simple discomfort at someone’s mere presence. Does such discomfort suck? Yep without a doubt, but causing those feelings is something anyone can do and they have possibly zero to little knowledge of what may make someone feel uncomfortable because discomfort is entirely subjective and on a person-to-person basis.

However, then we have to ask ourselves, where do we draw the line between personal feelings of comfort being a guideline by which others ought to behave, and whether their activity or just their simple presence is what should change or is it our paranoia that should?

I personally get uncomfortable around tons of guys hanging around in groups on the street. Almost any time I pass by a group of boisterous guys I get on edge and start thinking of worst-case scenarios. Are my apprehensions unfounded? Given other past experiences of my own or others, no, I’m relatively within my rights to think they could be out to harm me. But regarding these specific guys in this situation, yes my apprehensions are unfounded, because those guys just being loud or obnoxious nearby is literally just them being loud or obnoxious nearby, and until they actually directly compromise my comfort, then it is only my paranoid mind perceiving them as a threat.

Do I still take precaution? Yep, I may cross the street or seek going another way. But, I cannot ask them to change their behaviour because of my own fears and insecurities. It’d be nice, sure, but the world doesn’t revolve around me, and I have no right to ask them to accommodate my anxious mind and my pre-judgements of their character which have assumed they are automatically bad guys just because I felt some kinda way without them actually engaging me.

If you want to discuss this further, pm me, I’m not going to have a game of tag-you’re-it across threads. But in general, with regard to my original post, we’re missing each other by a mile with what either of us were actually talking about.

 

[deleted897665]

^ You clearly got where I was coming from. I was not diasagreeing with any of the ladies in the Ask A Woman thread when calling out these jerks who truly have done inappropriate things, including assault and rape in a worst case. In fact, I supported them!

But my point that not all men are guilty of this behavior went totally unheeded, by the member you referenced, as well as several women in the Ask A Woman retort thread. In that thread, I was referred to as “an asshole know-nothing who THINKS I am good (which couldn’t possibly be true),” and lumped in as one of those many “ignorant guys.” Then it was stated that I “came across as full of shit,” and went as far as adding that I couldn’t have possibly EVER not “stood too close (to a woman), looked too hard or for too long, or made more than one attempt” at making a pass. That poster went on to say she “didn’t buy it,” and that “dudes who think they have never imposed themselves are ignorant, or liars.”

Well, there you have it. The decision was in. No innocence until proven guilty. How could ANY man possibly not be guilty of committing some horrible acts towards a woman?! And this is where #metoo loses an opportunity by making such generalizations, wild accusations, assumptions, and blanket statements towards men. Look, men do get it. Really. We do. At least the smart ones (and yes, we do exist). If #metoo took the approach of inclusion, and brought men (fathers, sons, husbands, boyfriends) in to help identify inappropriate behaviors, they’d get much further rather than making ever member of the male gender out to be the boogeyman.

 

[DiomedesXVI]

@Tight_N_Juicy
I’m going to be very blunt with you. You come disrespect me when I did nothing of the sort to you? Then, please shut up. POINT exactly to where I said “not all men” unironically. You’re so damn narcissistic, you’re a waste of my time and anyone’s if you’re going to pull words I never said out of thin air. At least try to read my goddamn point instead of auto-deciding you know everything.

I do not have conversations with know-it-alls who don’t even have the sense or common courtesy to listen to what someone actually said and just decides to hear what they want to hear be said so they can dismiss actually having to think about something. Don’t even bother @ ing me if you’re going to act like a petulant child. I don’t play games and I don’t broker with high school level ninnyism.

 

[DiomedesXVI]

@Tight_N_Juicy

I call it like it is when I see it like it is. I don't know why all y'all up here on the internet enjoy being petty and snide on the basis of nothing and think no one gonna call you out on it. I am THAT bitch and I absolutely will call out when people try to play games.

Oh noooo, I said in my post to be sensible about situations and approach each one on an individual basis, how terrible of me to expect anyone to analyze their emotions and be in control of them instead of wanting to embrace being afraid and negatively classifying all of one type of people based on an organ between their legs. Oh the audacity, how dare me. *eyeroll*

I have no further words to waste on you, I had you blocked originally for earlier instances of when I've seen you show your ass, guess there was a good reason for blocking you in the first place. I don't play around with people who twist words and sling mud, that's for pigs in a pen. Enjoy wallowing, I have better things to do.

 

[Sagittarius84]

Nope, my post was specifically addressing @Sagittarius84 and his jackassery in this thread trying to use his “I’m such a good ally of women, so good in fact, watch me bully @Jjz1109 and try to paint him as a predator,

Lol you clearly haven't been paying attention around here, trying to paint me as some caping white knight, trying to "ally with women"..most of the women you've been dialoguing with have confirmed that fact yet it becomes the comfortable and familiar haunch you fall back upon because my observation doesn't jive with the worldview that makes you most comfortable.
You are the prime example of a hit dog hollering..nobody accused all or even most men of being predators(though if you were to ask me on a personal tip I'd say >50% of men qualify as some level of aggressively opportunist). I have just accepted two undeniable truths: Human beings in general are bad at restraint, and just about every woman by her 1st menses, has been sexually harassed, molested, or assaulted by a man, full stop..and if they are that lucky fraction of the portion that has not it is a veritable certainty their mother, sister, or daughter has or will.
People, specifically you need to understand intention doesn't absolve consequence and the unfortunate and at times, seemingly unfair, burden all men have to bear because of the totality of human history is a heightened sense of awareness as to the mundane and benign actions we do everyday either being rooted or reminiscent of predatory behavior, and to eat whatever butthurt our innocence supposedly generates..
Im a 6'2" black man living in a red county, a veritable MAGA-verse....don't make me laugh about unfair perceptions having an effect on how I move, because I have good intentions.

 

[DiomedesXVI]

Lol you clearly haven't been paying attention around here, trying to paint me as some caping white knight, trying to "ally with women"..most of the women you've been dialoguing with have confirmed that fact yet it becomes the comfortable and familiar haunch you fall back upon because my observation doesn't jive with the worldview that makes you most comfortable.
You are the prime example of a hit dog hollering..nobody accused all or even most men of being predators(though if you were to ask me on a personal tip I'd say >50% of men qualify as some level of aggressively opportunist). I have just accepted two undeniable truths: Human beings in general are bad at restraint, and just about every woman by her 1st menses, has been sexually harassed, molested, or assaulted by a man, full stop..and if they are that lucky fraction of the portion that has not it is a veritable certainty their mother, sister, or daughter has or will.
People, specifically you need to understand intention doesn't absolve consequence and the unfortunate and at times, seemingly unfair, burden all men have to bear because of the totality of human history is a heightened sense of awareness as to the mundane and benign actions we do everyday either being rooted or reminiscent of predatory behavior, and to eat whatever butthurt our innocence supposedly generates..
Im a 6'2" black man living in a red county, a veritable MAGA-verse....don't make me laugh about unfair perceptions having an effect on how I move, because I have good intentions.

I'm very interested in how you see me as a "hit dog hollering", I know what you're implying with that statement. You're prepping the old kafka-trap, the old "if I say something incensing by generalizing an assload of people, anyone who dares have an issue with me broadbrushing them just proves that they are those people I'm talking about". Except life don't work that way. I know for a fact I am zero percent whatever you're trying to paint me as, so I really don't care what assumptions you have and are trying to imply. Nobody accused all men of being predators? Great, I never said anyone did.

The entire gist of what I was originally talking about and have been trying to talk about is the fact you sat here on this thread and tried to gaslight jj as a predator - one who predates on women without even knowing it, and I called that out as bullshit, because it is. You have no right to try and convict him of such things, and you especially have no right to try to undermine his sense of self by trying to convince him that subconsciously he has acted predatorily. You know absolutely nothing of the man, so learn that boundary and stop trying to control what you don't know as if you do know it all, because you 100% do not.

TNJ decided she wanted to take my response to your poor behaviour and make it all about something entirely irrelevant to what I was discussing. But I entertained her point, saying "I also experience unease at people who could predate on me, but that I try to analyze my own emotions about the situation, and even if I do end up taking precaution, it's still important for us to realize our own personal comfort shouldn't be the deciding factor for how other people behave if they haven't actually done anything to us".

THAT was my whole point to her, she's the one who decided to go all smug ass and ignore everything I said to try and dismiss it and sum it up as "not all men", which is not a phrase I've said once at all during any of my conversations in this thread. The only reason y'all keep bringing up that old tired ass phrase is because you wish it was what I had said, because that phrase is some automatic shut-off button for y'all. But if y'all are so adamant to talk about something along those lines, then let's fucking do it.

It is ironically amusing you all think you have the high ground with treating a phrase like "not all men" as some point at which you can feel absolved of discussion and ignore whatever someone else is saying. No high ground exists in defending the act of broadbrushing people, the fact that y'all want to mock people who refuse to be broadbrushed or refuse to see others be broadbrushed is amusing because y'all really can't see how that actually makes you all narrow-minded and unable, or in some cases unwilling, to acknowledge that every single person is an individual first and foremost before they are anything else.

Oh no, people are getting mad that y'all are acting like bigots with that kind of behaviour, and your first action is to double-down and assert how right you are for doing so, instead of taking a step back and thinking hmmm is generalizing people I don't even know a right thing to do? Woo, if there's ever a wrong action to take, it's that one. Anyway, I am 100% done with this conversation and any future conversations, I've said my piece, my points are VERY simple and I will lay them out one last time so y'all can understand without trying to twist them to mean what y'all would rather I say so you can dismiss it.

1. Generalizing people you do not know is bad.
2. Don't try to make people you don't know out to be monsters without sufficient evidence of them being so.
3. It is important that people analyze their emotions and know where they are coming from.
4. #3 does not say "don't assess situations for possible danger".
   
5. People should not enforce other people to change their innocuous activities or reduce their presence without due cause.
6. Even if you do take precautions for your safety, at least realize that you may be doing so without any real danger.
7. #6 does not say "don't take precautions".
8. Feeling that you could be in danger does not actually mean you are in danger.
9. #8 does not say "your feelings and fears are invalid".

END.

 

[Sagittarius84]

• Generalizing people you do not know is bad.

• Don't try to make people you don't know out to be monsters without sufficient evidence of them being so.

• It is important that people analyze their emotions and know where they are coming from.

• #3 does not say "don't assess situations for possible danger".

• People should not enforce other people to change their innocuous activities or reduce their presence without due cause.

• Even if you do take precautions for your safety, at least realize that you may be doing so without any real danger.

• #6 does not say "don't take precautions".

• Feeling that you could be in danger does not actually mean you are in danger.

• #8 does not say "your feelings and fears are invalid".

Obviously a chord has been struck resulting in some predictable "big mad" so Ill just respond to your little bullet points.

1. That is unless this unknown group of people seem to fall over themselves to fulfill the generalization..so that being said, given your vitriolic response to the women here and the specific man that has agreed with them, how accurate of a generalization do you think I can make about you at this point? Something tells me Id be spot on.
2. The "monster" is not the possible perpetrator in this case. The monster is the one whose perpetrates with intent or denies a consequence soley based upon their lack of intent to do. I never accused said poster of actively scaring women, but he was sure quick to insist there is no way possible he could be passively doing so, and I'm curious as to how he can objectively make that determination.
3. You're sliding back into some Victorian era 'hysteria' bs with how you seem to want to pose this statement..good luck with that.
4. But if that assessment entails a healthy suspicion of all men no matter their intent, that's a problem right?
5. I'm sorry are you in the US as well? This wonderful slab of plains and liberty, whose laws, enforcement, and culture are largely founded upon the supposed sexual aggression of black and brown men? Mofos like me know the stories of Emmitt Till and Brian Banks before we're in our double digits, so in relation to Answer #1 i find it especially rich when someone like yourself tries to tell me something me and my people have collectively known for centuries, despite still being victim to it..until ladies start lynching y'all you could afford to stop being babies..we managed to do so with such an option being a part of America's past time up until about 40-50yrs ago.
6. Sounds like someone's feelings are hurt..perhaps the next woman that feels some way about your presence should be obligated to verbally absolve you of any wrongdoing should that incident not result in a "real" harassment, assault, or rape..or perhaps you'd prefer it documented?
7. "Just don't feel empowered to take those precautions with all men, nor neglect to add me and mine in a caveat of non culpability of intent lest i think you're talking about me."
7. "So until said danger results in a consequence(nonwithstanding the inequity of consequence men and women face) you don't get to talk about its probability"
8. "I just don't want to hear them because I might think of it as an accusation."

Women that are harrassed, assualted, and raped make up the vast majority of the population of women..solve that problem or any arguments you have about how women should feel about men in general are moot.

 

[Sagittarius84]

And just because I know the shitstorm it's gonna cause I'll go ahead and say it...I find #MeToo in its current iteration the most hilariously karmic thing in modern history.
I was disappointed at first because the narrative was largely hijacked by whom we could call the most privileged group of women, the white, cis-het, middle to well to do variety...
But then what about racial relations(and status quo race based agendas) in the Western world hasn't been an attempt to answer the ever present question, "Who's raping and defiling all of these white women.? And the answer in some way or another has always been the black and brown men, we've been culturally "MeToo-ed" ever since Europeans decided they were no longer of their individual nations and were simply "white"...
But now the proof is in the pudding and we see like most crime and personal trangressions, it's a largely homogenous deal, and it turns out white men are and have been raping the white women, and like clockwork they are losing their collective shit at anybody making the connection.....
Now what does it mean when such generalizations go out of their way to reveal themselves? Should I not identify it? Is there some benefit of the doubt im missing?

 

[HorseHung40's]

Someone like me who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, meeting women, dating, and getting sex was already hard enough. #MeToo has made it even harder for me.
What's funny though is that # is known as the pound sign. So shouldn't it called PoundMeToo?

I did not know about PoundMeToo. Thank you for sharing that. I laughed so hard that my coffee came out of my nose.

 

[DiomedesXVI]

Obviously a chord has been struck resulting in some predictable "big mad" so Ill just respond to your little bullet points.

1. That is unless this unknown group of people seem to fall over themselves to fulfill the generalization..so that being said, given your vitriolic response to the women here and the specific man that has agreed with them, how accurate of a generalization do you think I can make about you at this point? Something tells me Id be spot on.
2. The "monster" is not the possible perpetrator in this case. The monster is the one whose perpetrates with intent or denies a consequence soley based upon their lack of intent to do. I never accused said poster of actively scaring women, but he was sure quick to insist there is no way possible he could be passively doing so, and I'm curious as to how he can objectively make that determination.
3. You're sliding back into some Victorian era 'hysteria' bs with how you seem to want to pose this statement..good luck with that.
4. But if that assessment entails a healthy suspicion of all men no matter their intent, that's a problem right?
5. I'm sorry are you in the US as well? This wonderful slab of plains and liberty, whose laws, enforcement, and culture are largely founded upon the supposed sexual aggression of black and brown men? Mofos like me know the stories of Emmitt Till and Brian Banks before we're in our double digits, so in relation to Answer #1 i find it especially rich when someone like yourself tries to tell me something me and my people have collectively known for centuries, despite still being victim to it..until ladies start lynching y'all you could afford to stop being babies..we managed to do so with such an option being a part of America's past time up until about 40-50yrs ago.
6. Sounds like someone's feelings are hurt..perhaps the next woman that feels some way about your presence should be obligated to verbally absolve you of any wrongdoing should that incident not result in a "real" harassment, assault, or rape..or perhaps you'd prefer it documented?
7. "Just don't feel empowered to take those precautions with all men, nor neglect to add me and mine in a caveat of non culpability of intent lest i think you're talking about me."
7. "So until said danger results in a consequence(nonwithstanding the inequity of consequence men and women face) you don't get to talk about its probability"
8. "I just don't want to hear them because I might think of it as an accusation."

Women that are harrassed, assualted, and raped make up the vast majority of the population of women..solve that problem or any arguments you have about how women should feel about men in general are moot.

Oh baby there is zero anger here, I am as calm as can be. Annoyed? Oh absolutely with you and tnj running negative speculation after speculation of my character based on nothing but me pointing out flaws in your arguments. But angry, “big mad” to use your 4chan level of speech? Not in the slightest.

Now I have a question for you, don’t worry, you needn’t answer, since all the answers needed are already sitting right here in your posts to this thread.

Q: How many of your responses in this thread have been with the intention to educate about #metoo and address issues/concerns about the movement from users worried that the movement might grow overzealous and shift from pursuing guilty predators to also condemning men who haven’t predated on anyone?

Mmhmm, and how many of your responses have been about saying every man makes women uncomfortable, that men are a shite biological sex, and that every man should pony up and accept the burden that even their most innocuous actions may unfortunately jostle the sensibilities and comfort level of some woman somewhere, thereby confirming that men are problematic by default even in their best intentions?

A: The majority of your posts contain notions of the latter, not the former. And as such, you embody the prime example of what some of the men in this thread have voiced concerns about with the social advocacy of #metoo. That, without its advocates actually showing self-awareness and some level of self-constraint in their advocacy, that even innocent men can become needless targets of either unsubstantiatable accusations or just general prejudice as you let your advocacy run amok like a train with no brakes.

And this is proven even further by the fact that with each post you continue to scramble to indict me as some nefarious ne’er-do-well misogynist. You haven’t put it in those exact words but you needn’t bother, I see right through you. You haven’t played any cards I haven’t already seen in my lifetime with people who play psychological mind games. After all, if you were actually genuine in your faith in #metoo you wouldn’t be sitting here trying to throw mud at a stranger on the internet and hope that something sticks so you can have a little gotcha moment and feel validated in your overspeculated but entirely unfactual accusations of my character.

Now, it’s my decision that you’re done and you’re going to accept that whether you like it or not, because I will not foster any more discussion with you, if you could even call your frantic scrambles at trying slap me with every possible internet gotcha-ism as a “discussion”.

 

[Sagittarius84]

Q: How many of your responses in this thread have been with the intention to educate about #metoo and address issues/concerns about the movement from users worried that the movement might grow overzealous and shift from pursuing guilty predators to also condemning men who haven’t predated on anyone?

Yes I do believe there are too many women out there, taking advantage of such a social upheaval to stake their own power claims

I share in your frustration with how it precautions women in our presence, but blame that on the offenders not the offended.

I mean if you want to get trivial with numbers to make your self feel better, sure the majority of my replies have been about the objective realities I've personally observed women facing, as opposed to the subjective and hypothetical fears of women smashing the rape gavel indiscriminately...the emboldened response was literally from my 1st post on the matter, y'know reading being fundamental and all, but apparently not enough of a disclaimer to prevent you from getting all up in your feelings and white knighting your "bro" as it were.
Again Ill reiterate what I made clear when I initially contributed to this conversation..this is not some contrarian thought exercise, nor some noble attempt to curry women's favors...as a member of a demographic whom have actually been discriminated against, victimized, lied upon, if not straight up murdered, for our supposed predatory predilections, you need to calm the fuck down with this roody poo bullshit as if a little scrutiny and oversight where there formerly was none is now and soon going to so "ruin" your lives and strip you of your freedoms. Cry me fucking river then jump in and resurrect Emmitt Till, talking about some ' #MeToo is going too far'...No #Metoo went mainstream and now that you opt to pay attention your focus is more on the possible numbers of men that may get swept up in it then actual numbers of women that are telling you about the creepy, rapey, and cringey behaviors adults ought not be exhibiting towards other adults. "But no," you'll argue, "its not my fault if I have no intention of creating a creepy, rapey, or cringey situation. Me and the men I associate with have never and will never do so, nor will we allow anyone in our circle to propagate such attitudes." Lol what, lemme guess, white male 18-55 years old living in an English speaking nation? Statistically between you and ten friends/family members that fit that bill, at least one of you has straight up raped a chick...no Im not making an accusation, nor am I imploring you to investigate your friend circle, Im just telling you the chances are astronomical that either you or one or more of your group has either date, statutorily, violently, or with the assistance of drugs/alcohol, raped a friend, family member, or child, and will be your veritable echo when ever you proclaim your respect for women. I dont put it past any man but your damn right Im gonna pick just a little bit harder at the man that thinks its more pertinent to focus on the women that fake it instead of the women that live it.
So as idiotic as you may think it is I measure my steps and actions according to the prejudices of those around me, previously because it was a mechanism of self preservation, but more recently because I don't know the extent of what has happened to any woman around me at any given time and will not only not intentionally put my self in a position to signal harm, but also wont take it personally if someone thought something I did was threatening....butthurt is the hit dog hollering..dont have it or don't co opt it

 

[Sagittarius84]

"We surveyed 100 women, what is the rape-iest statement some 18-55 yr ild white guy has said to you"

Now, it’s my decision that you’re done and you’re going to accept that whether you like it or not,

Survey says!...

...the number one answer...