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Wow... such anger.

It shouldn't about the subject, but the film and filmmaking as a whole... I realized this category was completely political when Hoops Dreams lost (to yet another Holocaust piece).

Carries about as much credibility as the Spoken Word category for the Grammy's.

I think the poster was being sarcastic :rolleyes:
 

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Did you see both Hoops Dreams and the Holocaust piece in question?

Have you ever been to film school? Have you ever directed or produced a film? (not including ones of yourself spooging all over reflective surfaces)

Are you a member of the Academy?

Just wondering. I don't actually know what you do for a living or what kinds of films you watch, FK. But seems to me that assuming that a documentary is shit because Bill O'Reilly says it was un-American is every bit as bad as giving away awards for filmmaking because the films you are giving them to agree with your personal politics.

For instance, last year's winner I believe was Fog of War, which was an excellent documentary, and though some very narrow-minded obtuse folk would probably argue it was un-American without ever seeing it, it really was not. It was just honest.

On the other hand, Fahrenheit 911 was biased propagandistic crap.

Nice try, I don't listen/watch O'Reilly. I just feel other subjects get squashed, and I suspect (SUSPECT) it is politically motivated.

It wasn't a holocaust movie, ...just using that as sarcasm. The category just seems to be more of statement the last 3 decades, then cinematic brilliance. (I own close to 750 movies, by the way, but no filmmaking by myself)

No I didn't go to film school, but Roger Ebert, perhaps the most respected film critic over the last X decades, called it the greatest film of the 1990s. Yes, that is the and 1990s.

Many film experts still, to this day, refer to it as the "Hoop Dreams Fiasco". This isn't just me...

The "Hoop Dreams" exclusion "is scandalous. It's devastating. I'm close to tears," said Barbara Kopple, who has won Oscars for two documentaries of her own.

Does that have any credibility? It wasn't even nominated...

And yes, even as recent as 2 years ago... March of the Penguins deservedly won it. But I think there woulda been a lynching, had it not won.

An Inconvenient Truth, I sincerely believe was judged almost entirely on its ideology and hardly at all on its cinematic value or lack thereof. That has nothing to do about the facts claimed therein, as well.

...so yes, although I'm no filmmaker, last I checked Al Gore is no scientist.

Thusly, you can still have a well-backed opinion on something.
 

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I think the poster was being sarcastic :rolleyes:

but kinda proved a point, that the posters antonym of nominated documentary would be about Bush/Cheney.

thought the subject shouldn't play entirely into it.

let's say a positive Bush/Cheney documentary was done... replete with $100M budget, Ang Lee directing, the Coen Brothers writing the interview questions, [SIZE=-1]Hiroyasu Hosoya doing the filming, John Williams doing the score, Morgan Freeman doing the narration, with James Earl Jones (from the grave) doing the voice overs... just a well-done piece of cinematic work.

wouldn't come close to a nomination. you know it, I know it, the American people know it.


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but kinda proved a point, that the posters antonym of nominated documentary would be about Bush/Cheney.

thought the subject shouldn't play entirely into it.

let's say a positive Bush/Cheney documentary was done... replete with $100M budget, Ang Lee directing, the Coen Brothers writing the interview questions, [SIZE=-1]Hiroyasu Hosoya doing the filming, John Williams doing the score, Morgan Freeman doing the narration, with James Earl Jones (from the grave) doing the voice overs... just a well-done piece of cinematic work.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]wouldn't come close to a nomination. you know it, I know it, the American people know it.[/SIZE]

? James Earl Jones is not dead.
 

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FK, I wasn't assaulting your ability to form an opinion. And I was only using the O'Reilly thing as a colorful example. But realize that yours, and Roger Ebert's, and Kopple's opinions are still just that: opinions. You brought up March of the Penguins. That film was neither America-bashing nor about the Holocaust. How do you dismiss it so out of hand? Because people would have been upset had the film not won? You mean, like the people who were upset about Hoops Dreams not being nominated?

We've all had movies that we liked that were never nominated for anything, and we've all seen Best Picture go to films we thought were utter tripe. Doesn't mean that the Academy is conspiring against us.

I suspect that there may be some merit to your suspicions... but just some. I think you're overstating your case. An Inconvenient Truth, incidentally, was a very good film, well edited and put-together. Entertaining and informative. Commercially successful. Al Gore is no scientist, granted, but what does that have to do with it? He's a seasoned public speaker. He's now a filmmaker. Those are the only roles he played in the film. Most documentarians are film makers, not experts in the field that they are documenting. I have my own suspicion. I suspect that all of the backlash against An Inconvenient Truth winning the Oscar had far more to do with people's personal politics not agreeing with the film, and far less to do with any valid criticisms of the quality of the film making. This film also had nothing to do with the Holocaust and very little to do with attacking the US.

P.S. Ebert is just about the least respected film critic on my personal list.
 

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let's say a positive Bush/Cheney documentary was done... replete with $100M budget, Ang Lee directing, the Coen Brothers writing the interview questions, [SIZE=-1]Hiroyasu Hosoya doing the filming, John Williams doing the score, Morgan Freeman doing the narration, with James Earl Jones (from the grave) doing the voice overs... just a well-done piece of cinematic work.

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I don't know about that.

Even Birth of a Nation gets props for good film-making.
 

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FK, I wasn't assaulting your ability to form an opinion. And I was only using the O'Reilly thing as a colorful example. But realize that yours, and Roger Ebert's, and Kopple's opinions are still just that: opinions. You brought up March of the Penguins. That film was neither America-bashing nor about the Holocaust. How do you dismiss it so out of hand? Because people would have been upset had the film not won? You mean, like the people who were upset about Hoops Dreams not being nominated?

No no no... sorry... sometimes hard to convey thought quickly. I meant ppl woulda been very dissappointed had it not won. Period. Wasn't taking to the point of "their degree of anger on a win/non-win" = legitamcy.

I just threw that in... that movie was such a lock to win (yes I own it, and yes I've made 3 dozen films on various antarctic wildlife) :tongue:
 

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Can you get me a date with Ellen Page?

NIC, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you really tall? That visual would be great; I think Ellen would come up to your waist. But then maybe that's all you'd need. :tongue:

Was it as boring as it appeared to be. I've attended a few Oscar's and grammy's and Golden Globe. YUCK I hate those things..

Yes. This was a much shorter ceremony than usual, but didn't feel like it. If they simply cut out all the montages they could slice another hour off easily... but then the Oscar telecast is second to the Super Bowl for advertising rates so unfortunately commerce requires a longer show.

I liked Jon stewart, didn't love him; but I realize thats because the writers strike really f'd things up. There really was no time to prepare properly. :frown1:

The strike certainly had an impact but not as much as you'd think; the writing for award shows is pretty corny usually. I know they didn't have time to book/tape anything fancy like Billy Crystal used to do, but I know they also had a lot of writers working on the show literally minutes after the strike ended. I thought Stewart did pretty well all said, certainly better than his last effort.

IMO, on the whole the show sucked. It was boring, drab, etc. Other than Helen Mirren, Heidi Klum, Katherine Heigl; and one or 2 others no women wowed me with their gown choices. What's with half the winners inability to complete an acceptance speech in English? :confused:

Helen Mirren could wear a burlap sack and look amazing. In re English, probably because a lot of foreigners won. :smile: I actually found that a refreshing reminder that the sun doesn't rise and set on Hollywood. In fact this was the time in almost 50 years that all four acting winners weren't American.

What was in the goody bags this year? Anything good?

Not sure about the Kodak; Elton's party included perfume, a watch, lots of cosmetic type stuff. Nothing that really wowed me.

I usually miss the Oscars, but wanted to catch the Supporting Actor (duh), to see my boy nail it. Then figured I'd see in the AM who won... and watch/do something else the rest of the evening.

Good to see No Country win best picture, directing, and screenplay as well.

Agreed all around. Javier fucking rocked. As did his speech.

did any of the upsets (MC for Best Actress, TS for Best Supporting Actress) in the big categories have a big impact? i know even Tilda Swinton had an "oh shit? i won?" look on her face.

I don't know that Marion (and to a lesser extent Tilda) were that much of an "upset." Pleasant surprises, but not really upsets. When Marion won the BAFTA over Julie Christie, a lot of people (myself included) saw that as a sign that she would win the Oscar too. Her performance as Edith Piaf is also likely going to be studied in acting classes for many years to come. Many people saw Actress ending one of three ways: honor the veteran (Christie), honor the breakout star (Ellen Page) or honor the best performance (Marion).

In Swinton's case... there wasn't really a favorite to win that category. Any of the 5 could have won and it wouldn't have been a shock. They each had something going for them and at least one big thing against them. Tilda was clearly astonished, and she charmed the pants of the press backstage. She's actually one of the coolest actresses I've encountered in a long time.

The overall mood post-show was that the right people won, and no one expected them to, which put everyone in a good spirits.

{Aside: I feel silly using "upset" when it comes to Oscars... I realize why people do, but... an upset would be Reese Witherspoon defeating Mike Tyson, not Felicity Huffman. :cool:}

plus, were there a bunch of problems backstage or for you considering the limited amount of time they had to construct and organize the ceremony?

Not really. Most anyone involved with the show had a brutal week last week, but the show itself went off without a hitch. Other than the emergency tenting of the red carpet because it rained here yesterday.

who looked great in person? i know Amy Adams looked great, and Nicole Kidman was simple but i was too glad to see her there (even though she should stay her ass home in her condition)

Kate Beckinsale - holy crap. Amy Adams is a-fucking-dorable. Heidi Klum. Helen Mirren. Portia de Rossi. Petra Nemekova - who's dating Sean Penn now, which I was very slow on the pick-up to realize. Marion Cotillard. They're the folks who stand out in my memory, will probably think of others when I'm more awake.

I can't tell you where Nicole Kidman ends, or where Katherine Heigl begins...

I think the women are ALL starting to look the same... hair tied up like it's a wedding/prom... the plain, elegant, zzzzzzzzzzz dress. They all need to have this classic, clean look. They either make ZERO statement, or an awful statement.

I don't watch the Grammy's but a few stunners always seem to come out of the red carpet there every year.

You crystalized my thoughts - I actually had to look at Katherine Heigl four times before I realized it was her. A lot of the women last night looked like they just pulled whatever was hanging in the closet.

Don't know his name but did the director for NO COUNTRY thank his boyfriend?

Huh? The directors of No Country are brothers, and both are married to women. Unless you're making some sort of dig at Frances McDormand?

Did Elton's new weave look as fierce in person as it did on the tele?

Yes. :biggrin1: He was in a great mood last night too. Normally Elton is... unpredictable. Ahem.

Were the atendees just as bored with the telecast as the rest of us?

Probably less bored. Operative word is "less." It's the big party in town, so to speak. And Hollywood loves self-congratulating.

In re NIC/FK's discussion of documentaries. The documentary category has traditionally always been a cock-up, second only to foreign language film. Arcane rules about who can vote, how a film is submitted, etc. The whole Academy doesn't vote for Doc. You have to see all 5 nominees in order to vote in the documentary category, and there's only so many screenings. So that severely limits the pool of voters and skews toward the much older members of the Academy. After the Hoop Dreams fiasco they changed the rules to try to improve the chances of "popular" documentaries, which is probably the reason why Michael Moore's films have subsequently gotten nominations. The subject matter alone wasn't the reason why Hoop Dreams failed to get nominated; the fact that it actually made money was a huge factor as well. The documentary filmmaker branch of the Academy is notoriously stuck-up and tends to discount "popular" documentaries as not being "pure" enough to warrant recognition. Obviously there was (and is) a lot of jealousy directed toward doc's that are box-office draws as well, because most of the time they don't make a dime.
 

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Random aside inspired by the discussion: A step-and-repeat wall came unhinged and fell on me while I was bringing Rupert Murdoch in to meet Elton. Unfortunately my instinct was to shield him.

Then Larry King stumbled down some steps and used me to break his fall.

"No Country for Old Men" indeed.
 

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NIC, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you really tall? That visual would be great; I think Ellen would come up to your waist. But then maybe that's all you'd need. :tongue:

No, you're right. But I've dated girls smaller than her before. Trust me, the logistics all work out.
 

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I don't know that Marion (and to a lesser extent Tilda) were that much of an "upset." Pleasant surprises, but not really upsets. When Marion won the BAFTA over Julie Christie, a lot of people (myself included) saw that as a sign that she would win the Oscar too. Her performance as Edith Piaf is also likely going to be studied in acting classes for many years to come. Many people saw Actress ending one of three ways: honor the veteran (Christie), honor the breakout star (Ellen Page) or honor the best performance (Marion).

In Swinton's case... there wasn't really a favorite to win that category. Any of the 5 could have won and it wouldn't have been a shock. They each had something going for them and at least one big thing against them. Tilda was clearly astonished, and she charmed the pants of the press backstage. She's actually one of the coolest actresses I've encountered in a long time.

The overall mood post-show was that the right people won, and no one expected them to, which put everyone in a good spirits.

{Aside: I feel silly using "upset" when it comes to Oscars... I realize why people do, but... an upset would be Reese Witherspoon defeating Mike Tyson, not Felicity Huffman. :cool:}

lol. i'm glad you caught that. i was looking for a word other than "upset" which applied, but once again, i was suffering from a lapse in creativity. some writer i am! and Marion came off as extremely adorable with her speech. her dress was nice, but slightly odd.


Kate Beckinsale - holy crap. Amy Adams is a-fucking-dorable. Heidi Klum. Helen Mirren. Portia de Rossi. Petra Nemekova - who's dating Sean Penn now, which I was very slow on the pick-up to realize. Marion Cotillard. They're the folks who stand out in my memory, will probably think of others when I'm more awake.

hmm, i had no idea that Beckinsale was even present. i didn't see any footage of her on the red carpet...but i did love Amy Adams. She did great in her performance even though she had zero to work with. The other Enchanted numbers were disappointing even though So Close was a nice song in the movie. The dude singing it was nervous i guess which made him sound all shaky. "Falling Slowly" from Once totally deserved to win.

Huh? The directors of No Country are brothers, and both are married to women. Unless you're making some sort of dig at Frances McDormand?

there was a dude who joined them when they won an award (can't remember which one) who thanked his partner. i was thinking it was one of the Coen Brothers at first but them i remembered that they were both married. it's a valid question though.

Yes. :biggrin1: He was in a great mood last night too. Normally Elton is... unpredictable. Ahem.

oh! how was the party?

btw, thanks for answering these questions. you don't know how much i appreciate this. :tongue: *squeals again that you met McAvoy*
 

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Helen Mirren could wear a burlap sack and look amazing.

She's just so phenomenal. And I'll bet she has 20 more years of that in her.

Huh? The directors of No Country are brothers, and both are married to women. Unless you're making some sort of dig at Frances McDormand?

He had the wrong movie. Some winner did thank what sounded like his male lover. Can't remember who.

Agreed all around. Javier fucking rocked. As did his speech.

Oh man, every single view, that man looked so cool, comfortable in his skin, completely himself.
I think he's going to have as big a career as De Niro.
FWIW, does anyone know what exactly he said to his mother? (Probably what anyone would say, but I'm curious.)
 

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lol. i'm glad you caught that. i was looking for a word other than "upset" which applied, but once again, i was suffering from a lapse in creativity. some writer i am! and Marion came off as extremely adorable with her speech. her dress was nice, but slightly odd.

I think the dress played better in person than on TV. I actually didn't see her acceptance speech live, I just heard the roar in the press room when she won. Watched it on my Tivo today and yes, her speech was incredibly charming. I spent a good deal of time with her before and a couple hours after the ceremony. Before the show she was excited and hopeful, but was convinced Julie Christie or Ellen Page would win. So she was just enjoying the spectacle and living the moment. More than once she said she may never get to experience something like this again, so she just wanted to remember it all and enjoy it. Then she won. As silly as awards are, this was one of those occasions where I was truly, honestly thrilled for someone. Her mind was totally blown. She was so happy, shocked, honored and humble. It was great. At the party afterward I overheard her say, in that terribly cute accent, "I'm so tired but I don't want to sleep, because my dreams can never be better than this."

hmm, i had no idea that Beckinsale was even present. i didn't see any footage of her on the red carpet

She was at Elton's party, not on the carpet at the Kodak.

there was a dude who joined them when they won an award (can't remember which one) who thanked his partner. i was thinking it was one of the Coen Brothers at first but them i remembered that they were both married. it's a valid question though.

He had the wrong movie. Some winner did thank what sounded like his male lover. Can't remember who.

AHH. Now I get it, my bad. That was Scott Rudin, the exec producer (along with the Coens) of No Country accepting the Best Picture award. He's one of the Big Time producers in town, arguably second only to Bob & Harvey Weinstein in power/influence.

FWIW, does anyone know what exactly he said to his mother?

"Mom, this is for you, for your parents, for Spanish comedians who like you have brought pride, honor and dignity to our profession. This is for Spain, this is for all of us, this is for you."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, oh my fucking god how much does Javier Bardem rock? I totally agree with you Rubi, the man is so self-aware and confident and gracious... and hot... good grief.

oh! how was the party?

Fantastic actually, the best he's ever had. Huge star turn out (lack of Vanity Fair party this year helped) and the auction raised over $5 million for his Pediatric AIDS Foundation. He also performed a full set after the show... usually he has new/up and coming artists perform. Instead we got a "greatest hits" set from Elton fucking John played in an intimate setting. It was incredible. I usually think of Elton in a different context than most people because I've been in professional settings with him for years. I realized when I was unconsciously singing along to "Levon" while working that I take him for granted. God DAMN that man wrote some great music. He did a couple duets with other guests too, most notably Mary J & Prince.

btw, thanks for answering these questions. you don't know how much i appreciate this. :tongue: *squeals again that you met McAvoy*

Anytime Will!
 

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1) At the party afterward I overheard her say, in that terribly cute accent, "I'm so tired but I don't want to sleep, because my dreams can never be better than this.


2)"Mom, this is for you, for your parents, for Spanish comedians who like you have brought pride, honor and dignity to our profession. This is for Spain, this is for all of us, this is for you."


3)Fantastic actually, the best he's ever had. Huge star turn out (lack of Vanity Fair party this year helped) and the auction raised over $5 million for his Pediatric AIDS Foundation. He also performed a full set after the show... usually he has new/up and coming artists perform. Instead we got a "greatest hits" set from Elton fucking John played in an intimate setting. It was incredible. I usually think of Elton in a different context than most people because I've been in professional settings with him for years. I realized when I was unconsciously singing along to "Levon" while working that I take him for granted. God DAMN that man wrote some great music. He did a couple duets with other guests too, most notably Mary J & Prince.

1) and 2) are soooo beautiful. those quotes make me all misty-eyed.

3) and wow. i'm getting more jealous. should have been great. i would've loved to hear him and Mary. or to at least hear "Your Song" or "Can You Fell The Love Tonight?" geez, is there anything bad with your job? :tongue: