Racism? Or Simply Preference? Who Is Right Here?

[blakstar]

The government, sure. Individuals owing reparations? Absolutely not.

And you make those payments to those who went through it. Not several generations down the line. Otherwise, when does it stop?

Who funds the government?

Why not. The people who owned slaves still have wealth for generations down the line.

 

[blakstar]

I've been hit with this same thing as well. My grandmother had done family research for decades. I was horrified to find that distant relatives owned slaves. It's beyond disturbing to read an ancestor's will and see them giving ownership of another human being to their children. They were related to my grandmother but died 80 years before she was born. I'm not responsible for their actions and I don't owe anyone an apology for it. It's disgusting, but it doesn't represent who I am in the slightest.

As far as sexual attraction and racism - people like what they like. There are certain body types that I'm not attracted to. I could say they are from this country or that, but the nationality has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with common physical features that do nothing for me.

For some people it is racism and there is no getting around it. My husband deals with this in some ways. He moved to the US from Cuba when he was very young. He came from a different culture with different values. His parents, grandparents, and family had very strong views about certain groups of people. Even though he's put all of that behind him, some of it lingers. I know he struggles with it, but at least he recognizes it and works on how he feels about it. I tease him and say that it's because the Cuban's see themselves as the royalty of the Carribean and look down on everyone. He laughs but then says in some ways it's true. He says his ex-wife's father was a Cuban Archie Bunker. He hated everyone that wasn't a light-skinned Cuban. Heaven forbid you had mixed ancestry because of the slave trade. You were lower than dirt if that was the case. He's long gone now, but I would have loved to see his reaction to his grandchildren being with someone he hated.

Sadly you do.

And your white husband from Cuba is probably blonde. Its also stunning how you are so ok with his families disgusting racism. Cuba is a dump - that's why they left.

 

[blakstar]

Just wanted to share this photo with everyone, and give some extra clarification on the subject:

3 women, all Latina
3 different nationalities
All 3, incredibly attractive, in my humble opinion
100% would have sex with all 3 of these women without even thinking twice about it.

If I'm a racist, as Ive been accused of already, can someone here please provide some guidance so I can be a proper racist? I'm trying so hard at it, but I keep failing

Latins are white. so, you're not special for liking other white people. These women all have different hair colors and are using that to spin nationality into a race.


Only in america are latins not white. everywhere else they're white. Thats because white americans like you wanna find a way to not be racist while still being racist.

 

[Marcojohnson12]

Latins are white. so, you're not special for liking other white people. These women all have different hair colors and are using that to spin nationality into a race.

Um most hispanics are mestizos and most Latin American countries have a racial hierarchy whites at the top, arabs middle easterners, mestizos, natives, and then black white Latin americans do not consider them white neither are they considered white here they are mixed their delusional asses are the ones that check white even if they are the same color as a native mexican.


Only in america are latins not white. everywhere else they're white. Thats because white americans like you wanna find a way to not be racist while still being racist.

 

[Infernal]

Sadly you do.

And your white husband from Cuba is probably blonde. Its also stunning how you are so ok with his families disgusting racism. Cuba is a dump - that's why they left.

I'm not those people. I know only what I've read about them. Considering their distance in the past I may not even be genetically related to them. I'm not responsible for their actions and those actions don't reflect on who I am. How do you figure I owe anyone an apology? Who would I give it to? You? Should I walk down the street and apologize to every person I come across who might have slaves in their ancestry? Should I empty my bank account to random strangers to make reparations for sins and crimes against humanity I didn't commit?

Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

As for my husband's family. I never met his father. He died when my husband was a teenager. I never met the father in law. He died long before I came into the picture. Most of the family disliked him because of the way he acted. Every family has skeletons in their closet. Very few of them are proud of it. My husband is light-skinned with very dark hair. Most people say he looks Italian. They only spent 2 or 3 generations in Cuba. They came from the Canary Islands and Spain prior to that. What his older family members believe is entirely on them. Their world is different from mine. How they were raised is far different than how it was for me. His mother was one of 9 children. She was raised by her sisters because their mother died not long after her younger sister was born. His father was one of 10 children raised in a one-room house with a dirt floor. Life was a struggle, but I don't hold their old fashioned beliefs against them. His mother is the only one left now. Her children and grandchildren don't hold the same beliefs that she does. Generational turnover is happening. Soon they will be gone. What I know is that she is a deeply kind person who loves me as much as her own sons. What she may believe privately is entirely up to her. She's 91 years old. At this point, no one is going to change her mind.

 

[deleted464787]

Who funds the government?

Why not. The people who owned slaves still have wealth for generations down the line.

Everyone in America funds the government. Including other black people. What, are they paying reparations to themselves?

Let me ask you this way... I’m just curious how you’re going to answer this.
1. Who EXACTLY do I owe reparations to?
2. EXACTLY how much do you you think I owe?
3. Why EXACTLY did you determine that I owe reparations?

 

[deleted464787]

Latins are white. so, you're not special for liking other white people. These women all have different hair colors and are using that to spin nationality into a race.


Only in america are latins not white. everywhere else they're white. Thats because white americans like you wanna find a way to not be racist while still being racist.

This guy has to be a troll. There’s no way anyone could post that and be serious. Let me guess, this is how you think it went down:

Setting: the forum of white men gather in the woods for their annual “advancement of white people, while oppressing other races” meeting.

White guy #1: my fellow whites, we have a problem! Other races are beginning to catch on to our racist ways, and starting to condemn it! We must find another way to keep oppressing other people so that our superior race can continue to flourish!

White guy #2: hmmm, what if we start calling the Latinas that we’re attracted to a different race? That way, no one can argue that we’re racist anymore!

White guy #1: Brilliant! I hereby decree that all Latinas are no longer white! And by proxy, we are no longer racist for liking them! Meeting adjourned!

::shakes head::

It seems You’re onto our plan now. At the next white guy meeting I attend, we will be sure to brainstorm new “ways to be racist without being racist” so we can keep up the facade.

 

[keenobserver]

Hi all, been a LOOOOONG time since Ive posted here.... mostly just spent the years lurking and looking at pictures and videos. But tonight, something happened, and I just had to post about it. So please read this whole thing before drawing any conclusions (warning, this post may be quite long), and then give me your honest feedback. I promise I won't be offended either way.

So, as a quick background--a bit about me. Im mostly straight (mostly into women, but down to fool around with dudes if the mood is right), and I can only ever see myself getting into an actual relationship with women (with men, it would never go beyond physical pleasure). Label me whatever category that puts me into... straight, bi, whatever... thats not the point. The 2nd fact about me, Im white. Im not hung up about it, and I don't have a feeling of superiority about it... it just is what it is--thats how the universe made me... a white guy.

Why is all this important you ask? Well, it just so happens that sometimes Im in.. "the mood" and having a guy around to help me out sounds kinda fun... so naturally I turned to Grindr (LOL, dont judge me, we all have needs). On there, my profile simply says, and I quote:

"Bi white guy here, looking for fun. Mostly attracted to other white guys."

So tonight, I just happened to get on, and I was greeted with this lovely message from a Latino individual (see picture attached). For those that cant see the picture, this is how he greeted me, verbatim:

"You understand that racial preferences are racist? Making preemptive decisions about a person based on the color of their skin is racism. Check your white privilege dude."

I was shocked. I've never really been a fan of people who play into identity politics, but Ill be damned if people on the far left now think they are so "woke" enough to start dictating who I can, or have to be attracted to. I wanted to just cuss the guy out, or block him, but I thought "you know, lets see if I can talk to this guy rationally and see if I can construct an argument that would make him change his point of view and agree with me."

I won't post pictures of the entire conversation--its a long one--but Ill try to give you guys the gyst of how it went down, along with my thoughts, and then Id like to hear what you all have to say about it.

First, I tried explaining to him that although I'd consider myself unlikely to have sex with a black, or latino dude, Id happily still be friends with them. Does that still qualify as racist? He seemed very hung up on the fact that I was a white dude who only liked other white dudes. I then explained to him that as a bi guy, Im actually mostly attracted to Asian women over any other race, to which he responded thats racist because Im sexualizing Asian women (huh?).

He then made a statement that there must be a REASON why Im attracted to white dudes. To which I responded with this analogy: "I love steak. And I think onions are gross. (really, I cant stand them, lol). Whos to say whats right or whats wrong about that? Why am I not entitled to have my own preferences? Once again, this is simply how the universe made me, and I cant CHANGE it just because that offends you." He responded saying that my food analogy is stupid because "onions arent an ethnic identity that im excluding because its different from what Ive been told is beautiful."

Again.... huh? I don't remember being told that only white people are beautiful. And if I was told (and convinced!) that only white people are beautiful, then why the hell am I attracted to Asian women?

In the end, I explained to him that I dare say that if I was a white guy, who only happened to be attracted to say... black guys, he wouldnt be so offended by this. And do you know how he responded? Youre not going to believe this.... HE AGREED! He couldnt have proven my point any easier. How does a person not see the hypocrisy in all of this?

Afterwards, I told him I was going to be posting a rundown of our conversation on here, and getting feedback, and sharing it with him. I also intend to share the link to this thread with him so he can share his side of the story, and hopefully not be biased (lets see if he actually responds). If not, Im prepared to post screenshots of the entire conversation just to prove Im being genuine here, and not only telling one side.

So now, I ask you all the readers, to please share your feedback here.

I would argue that he was WAY out of line to begin by making such assumptions and coming at me that way. And I might even argue that him coming at me that way could even be proof that he harbors some "white hate" if there is such a thing--but maybe thats a stretch.

I would also argue that having a sexual attraction is not racist, just as having a sexual preference is not sexist, and just having a preference for ANY characteristic is not "x-ist". Not only that, but I for SURE am not obligated to justify why I find certain things attractive, and certain other things unattractive, nor is anyone obligated to explain to me why they might not be attracted to me--that is entirely their subjective opinion, and theyre entitled to it. And if the social justice-identity politics-toting left is starting to push to mandate how we think like that...then Ill just start jacking off on my own rather than being forced to have sex with someone I happen to not be attracted to just because it offends them.

Thoughts? Opinions? I'll be checking back periodically to see what you all have to say.

Thanks for reading.

I've read a lot of the posts here, some I like, some I don't. Let's look at it a little differently. You mentioned in your profile you mostly prefer white male partners. Since you used the word "mostly," I am thinking that you might possibly hook up with a non-white if the situation was just right. Maybe it is unlikely but the door is open with the word "mostly."

At the same time you are bothered that some people interpret your preference as racism. On line nuance is often lost. The words on the device are 'heard' in a voice that is already in the reader's head. You said, "mostly white" and someone 'heard' WHITES ONLY. It's not what you said, it is not what you meant in terms of the harshness, but it is what he heard - so he responded. Once he had his idea, there was no real way to change his impression - it all seemed like rationalization to the offended party.

In the future just leave racial preferences out of you ad. That doesn't mean you need to give it up for anyone who hits you up - you still get to choose, but it leaves the door open for the possibility of meeting a guy who does get your motor running but does not fall into the 'mostly' category.

Back in my day, the 70's, we did not have dating / fucking apps. We had steam baths. The bath house. 20 hours a day naked and nearly naked men roaming the seedy hallways looking for Mr. Great Ass or Mr. Suck the Chrome of a DeSoto for a half hour hook up, surrounded by other horny guys yearning to be fucking. Overall it was great, but you have not seen pain until you see guys rejected in a bath house for being old, fat, skinny, hairy, bald, pale, too black, to big, too small, cut, uncut, not just right, and on and on and on. In that regard the apps were an upgrade. When I was young I was really the hot boy on the prowl. I was fit, big dick, white, good hair and teeth - men begged in the bath houses. I, being prime meat on the hoof was very picky. I looked the herd over very carefully before allowing someone to offer his mouth or ass for my pleasure. It took me a few years to realize how hurtful that was. The venue itself was harsh - but it was almost all we had. But the attitude by people like me made it much, much worse. I started being less picky and more open. That was when the sex went to insane levels of excitement in the old bath house. That doesn't mean I was with everyone, but by being willing to consider more types of people I surprised myself in a really major way.

My point is this - rather than having a flag on yourself that limits or discourages people, leave it off and be open to the not "mostly" white people who swipe you. You don't have to say yes to everyone, but try to broaden yourself and be open to what's really good when you go off the menu. It removes the debate about race and lets you focus on what matters - a good time with a game guy.

People are more than steak and onions. The onion is not upset by your rejection, even when there are reasons for it that are not onion-phobic. You will be amazed what a little change can do for your sex life - and how good an occasional onion grilled and seasoned just right on a steak really gives it a kick. I know I was.

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

Dear lord what a train wreck.

 

[blakstar]

This guy has to be a troll. There’s no way anyone could post that and be serious. Let me guess, this is how you think it went down:

Setting: the forum of white men gather in the woods for their annual “advancement of white people, while oppressing other races” meeting.

White guy #1: my fellow whites, we have a problem! Other races are beginning to catch on to our racist ways, and starting to condemn it! We must find another way to keep oppressing other people so that our superior race can continue to flourish!

White guy #2: hmmm, what if we start calling the Latinas that we’re attracted to a different race? That way, no one can argue that we’re racist anymore!

White guy #1: Brilliant! I hereby decree that all Latinas are no longer white! And by proxy, we are no longer racist for liking them! Meeting adjourned!

::shakes head::

It seems You’re onto our plan now. At the next white guy meeting I attend, we will be sure to brainstorm new “ways to be racist without being racist” so we can keep up the facade.

So you will do whatever it takes to not question your values. Good to know. Why even respond here? To show us how racist you are ?

 

[blakstar]

I've read a lot of the posts here, some I like, some I don't. Let's look at it a little differently. You mentioned in your profile you mostly prefer white male partners. Since you used the word "mostly," I am thinking that you might possibly hook up with a non-white if the situation was just right. Maybe it is unlikely but the door is open with the word "mostly."

At the same time you are bothered that some people interpret your preference as racism. On line nuance is often lost. The words on the device are 'heard' in a voice that is already in the reader's head. You said, "mostly white" and someone 'heard' WHITES ONLY. It's not what you said, it is not what you meant in terms of the harshness, but it is what he heard - so he responded. Once he had his idea, there was no real way to change his impression - it all seemed like rationalization to the offended party.

In the future just leave racial preferences out of you ad. That doesn't mean you need to give it up for anyone who hits you up - you still get to choose, but it leaves the door open for the possibility of meeting a guy who does get your motor running but does not fall into the 'mostly' category.

Back in my day, the 70's, we did not have dating / fucking apps. We had steam baths. The bath house. 20 hours a day naked and nearly naked men roaming the seedy hallways looking for Mr. Great Ass or Mr. Suck the Chrome of a DeSoto for a half hour hook up, surrounded by other horny guys yearning to be fucking. Overall it was great, but you have not seen pain until you see guys rejected in a bath house for being old, fat, skinny, hairy, bald, pale, too black, to big, too small, cut, uncut, not just right, and on and on and on. In that regard the apps were an upgrade. When I was young I was really the hot boy on the prowl. I was fit, big dick, white, good hair and teeth - men begged in the bath houses. I, being prime meat on the hoof was very picky. I looked the herd over very carefully before allowing someone to offer his mouth or ass for my pleasure. It took me a few years to realize how hurtful that was. The venue itself was harsh - but it was almost all we had. But the attitude by people like me made it much, much worse. I started being less picky and more open. That was when the sex went to insane levels of excitement in the old bath house. That doesn't mean I was with everyone, but by being willing to consider more types of people I surprised myself in a really major way.

My point is this - rather than having a flag on yourself that limits or discourages people, leave it off and be open to the not "mostly" white people who swipe you. You don't have to say yes to everyone, but try to broaden yourself and be open to what's really good when you go off the menu. It removes the debate about race and lets you focus on what matters - a good time with a game guy.

People are more than steak and onions. The onion is not upset by your rejection, even when there are reasons for it that are not onion-phobic. You will be amazed what a little change can do for your sex life - and how good an occasional onion grilled and seasoned just right on a steak really gives it a kick. I know I was.

I can quickly sum this whole diatribe up.


When he said mostly white he meant the other are latins. A latin is white. So he only likes whites but utilizes Euphemisms to escape critique. Not from me.

- also you were in bath houses in the 70s makes so much sense considering ur other posts.

 

[blakstar]

Dear lord what a train wreck.

Who comes into a thread about racism then is uncomfortable.

what did you think we were talking about?

 

[blakstar]

I’m fully aware of the racial caste system in Latin countries. The reason Cubans think they’re special is bc they’re the only blondes in the Caribbean. My goodness was this supposed to help your argument? You just threw all latins under the bus for their steeped in racism culture.

 

[deleted464787]

Dear Blacktar,

We get it. You’re triggered, and you hate white people. Please go back to your safe space.

Sincerely,
The LPSG community

 

[Fakeyboi129]

Why wow?

No body centered this thread around white people but you obviosuly took it as such. That's what is "wow"

 

[HungThickProf]

I've read a lot of the posts here, some I like, some I don't. Let's look at it a little differently. You mentioned in your profile you mostly prefer white male partners. Since you used the word "mostly," I am thinking that you might possibly hook up with a non-white if the situation was just right. Maybe it is unlikely but the door is open with the word "mostly."

At the same time you are bothered that some people interpret your preference as racism. On line nuance is often lost. The words on the device are 'heard' in a voice that is already in the reader's head. You said, "mostly white" and someone 'heard' WHITES ONLY. It's not what you said, it is not what you meant in terms of the harshness, but it is what he heard - so he responded. Once he had his idea, there was no real way to change his impression - it all seemed like rationalization to the offended party.

In the future just leave racial preferences out of you ad. That doesn't mean you need to give it up for anyone who hits you up - you still get to choose, but it leaves the door open for the possibility of meeting a guy who does get your motor running but does not fall into the 'mostly' category.

Back in my day, the 70's, we did not have dating / fucking apps. We had steam baths. The bath house. 20 hours a day naked and nearly naked men roaming the seedy hallways looking for Mr. Great Ass or Mr. Suck the Chrome of a DeSoto for a half hour hook up, surrounded by other horny guys yearning to be fucking. Overall it was great, but you have not seen pain until you see guys rejected in a bath house for being old, fat, skinny, hairy, bald, pale, too black, to big, too small, cut, uncut, not just right, and on and on and on. In that regard the apps were an upgrade. When I was young I was really the hot boy on the prowl. I was fit, big dick, white, good hair and teeth - men begged in the bath houses. I, being prime meat on the hoof was very picky. I looked the herd over very carefully before allowing someone to offer his mouth or ass for my pleasure. It took me a few years to realize how hurtful that was. The venue itself was harsh - but it was almost all we had. But the attitude by people like me made it much, much worse. I started being less picky and more open. That was when the sex went to insane levels of excitement in the old bath house. That doesn't mean I was with everyone, but by being willing to consider more types of people I surprised myself in a really major way.

My point is this - rather than having a flag on yourself that limits or discourages people, leave it off and be open to the not "mostly" white people who swipe you. You don't have to say yes to everyone, but try to broaden yourself and be open to what's really good when you go off the menu. It removes the debate about race and lets you focus on what matters - a good time with a game guy.

People are more than steak and onions. The onion is not upset by your rejection, even when there are reasons for it that are not onion-phobic. You will be amazed what a little change can do for your sex life - and how good an occasional onion grilled and seasoned just right on a steak really gives it a kick. I know I was.

Oh, my gosh, Sir. YES! Bless You! Finally! Someone with experience and guidance! Thank you so much for your input.

 

[ItsAll4Kim]

Who comes into a thread about racism then is uncomfortable.

what did you think we were talking about?

I'm not the least bit uncomfortable.

Just watching the crazy.

 

[deleted464787]

I can quickly sum this whole diatribe up.


When he said mostly white he meant the other are latins. A latin is white. So he only likes whites but utilizes Euphemisms to escape critique. Not from me.

- also you were in bath houses in the 70s makes so much sense considering ur other posts.

By the way, jokes on you. The guy who called me out on Grindr was Latino. And by your definition, he was then white. And therefore it’s not racist I didn’t sleep with him.

Please explain that one to me ::rolls eyes::

 

[deleted464787]

I can quickly sum this whole diatribe up.


When he said mostly white he meant the other are latins. A latin is white. So he only likes whites but utilizes Euphemisms to escape critique. Not from me.

- also you were in bath houses in the 70s makes so much sense considering ur other posts.

Now that you mention it, that would also make Trumps wall not a racist thing. Since it’s only keeping out other white people, no?

I don’t think you’re analyzing the ramifications of your statements lol

 

[xmarksbreakdownx]

Hi. I'm a Black man, so let me throw my two hats into the ring.

I've commented on something like this a while ago on another site, but I'll try to keep this short.

Starting off, do I think you're racist for having a preference? No. That being said, preferring a certain race over a certain sex are two totally different things, but that's neither here nor there. Saying "I prefer X guys" does not exclude anyone, it's a preference. Saying "Only White Men" would be more racist because you're excluding other races. So is "Only Blacks" so is "Only Mexicans" I know some will disagree, but it is still excluding other races.

That being said, I never message anyone of these apps that put their "preference" in their profile unless it's Black men.

1. I respect I'm not everyone's type.
2. I have no desire to chase after someone that has stated I'm not their type.