Ryan Guzman

[DAVE08114]

If it was a money issue, they should have got rid of Basset. She has way too much screentime these last couple of years. It's become more the Angela Basset show of late.

 

[5ye45]

If it was a money issue, they should have got rid of Basset. She has way too much screentime these last couple of years. It's become more the Angela Basset show of late.

Well yeah, because it's Angela Bassett. She's the biggest star on the show.

 

[As_tas]

Why are people under the assumption that the choice is either pick the Buddie storyline or leave the show? It's possible that he got offered a queer storyline, rejected it, and passed it on to Oliver for some made up reason with no drama, hence where we currently are now. The man has two kids he has to pay child support for, an extennded family but especially parents he may want to financially help, an ex wife whom he may or may also has to pay some compensation for after their separation, multiple living places he has to pay bills for, a rather extravagant lifestyle as shown when he went to Hawaii recently, leaving a steady job when he has no other prospects, especially in this economy, is a dumb move. He may look like an airhead, but he's not that dumb.

If it was a money issue, they should have got rid of Basset. She has way too much screentime these last couple of years. It's become more the Angela Basset show of late.

This IS The Angela Bassett show. SHE is the actress Ryan Murphy conceptialized the show around.

 

[LeoBas]

If it was a money issue, they should have got rid of Basset. She has way too much screentime these last couple of years. It's become more the Angela Basset show of late.

Getting rid of Angela Bassett would’ve killed the show. That show without her is not good enough to be kept on the air. It would be like having How To Get Away With Murder without Viola Davis.

 

[anonny5123]

People put a lot of blame on Minear around killing Bobby but I genuinely think that was mostly a financial decision. I'm near-certain that Minear had to make the choice between cutting multiple characters on lower paid contracts or Krause, and chose the latter.

Would people have liked it any better if Hen, Eddie, or even Chimney had all been cut from the show to keep Krause on? I doubt it.

There's also the rumour that Minear learned a painful lesson from Lowe when Lone Star ended about putting your foot down as a showrunner. Personally, I buy it.

And I'll also point out, again, that if Guzman is opposed to the Buddie storyline he could just leave. That is his leverage. If he is asked to do it and refuses, are they going to fire him? I doubt it. That would be self-defeating.

No doubt Ryan has fallen down into the red pill trap. He was on a tradwife podcast a few months ago.

 

[Proton36]

Why are people under the assumption that the choice is either pick the Buddie storyline or leave the show? It's possible that he got offered a queer storyline, rejected it, and passed it on to Oliver for some made up reason with no drama, hence where we currently are now. The man has two kids he has to pay child support for, an extennded family but especially parents he may want to financially help, an ex wife whom he may or may also has to pay some compensation for after their separation, multiple living places he has to pay bills for, a rather extravagant lifestyle as shown when he went to Hawaii recently, leaving a steady job when he has no other prospects, especially in this economy, is a dumb move. He may look like an airhead, but he's not that dumb.

For me it's not an assumption as such, more just a possibility I toy with.

I doubt Minear would make Guzman do anything he doesn't want to. I seriously doubt it would ever get so far as Guzman threatening to leave the show over creative differences. But it's a possibility if that conversation were to ever happen.

And Guzman has purportedly been doing a lot of networking and PR lately. He filmed two movies over the last two years. I'm sure the show's steady money is very appealing but when people act like he has no options I find myself quite skeptical.

Not that I think he's that fantastic an actor but there are plenty of decent to mediocre actors in the industry who get by based on factors that aren't strictly related to their talent.

 

[As_tas]

For me it's not an assumption as such, more just a possibility I toy with.

I doubt Minear would make Guzman do anything he doesn't want to. I seriously doubt it would ever get so far as Guzman threatening to leave the show over creative differences. But it's a possibility if that conversation were to ever happen.

And Guzman has purportedly been doing a lot of networking and PR lately. He filmed two movies over the last two years. I'm sure the show's steady money is very appealing but when people act like he has no options I find myself quite skeptical.

Not that I think he's that fantastic an actor but there are plenty of decent to mediocre actors in the industry who get by based on factors that aren't strictly related to their talent.

Networking and PR is also one way to promote the show. Sure he said that with no news for two months he thought he was kicked out of the show, but there's also a few times where Tim indicated that wanted to keep him around. The "too pretty to die" stuffs during Season 4? Doubt that it will change now or in the future. There were also talks in his interviews about huge change to Eddie's story (which definitely is NOT about Buddie) before Peter's exit took over which he seemed to be excited about. I don't think someone who wanted to leave the show would hype up a future (scrapped) storyline about the character he was playing.

Angela also has been in multiple films, Kenneth Choi was in multiple projects past two years and an upcoming film next year, Aisha was also in a few projects too, but no one seems to be crying about the possibility of them leaving the show, or in Angela's case ending the show by leaving. People taking other jobs outside of the TV show they're contracted is nothing new when Oliver who doesn't take up roles outside the show is the outlier. This "Ryan leaving the show" rumor has been at least an annual occurence in this show since that incident in 2020. This time, the rumor becomes a bit too widespread Deadline has to release an article to assure people that he is not leaving.

 

[BIueOcean4]

For me it's not an assumption as such, more just a possibility I toy with.

I doubt Minear would make Guzman do anything he doesn't want to. I seriously doubt it would ever get so far as Guzman threatening to leave the show over creative differences. But it's a possibility if that conversation were to ever happen.

And Guzman has purportedly been doing a lot of networking and PR lately. He filmed two movies over the last two years. I'm sure the show's steady money is very appealing but when people act like he has no options I find myself quite skeptical.

Not that I think he's that fantastic an actor but there are plenty of decent to mediocre actors in the industry who get by based on factors that aren't strictly related to their talent.

People do PR for many reasons. He could be looking for movie roles in between shooting the show and trying to get his name out there. He could also be trying to build connections in case the show does eventually come to an end or like he’s stated before trying to see about directing film and writing scripts and seeing if anyone is interested. Something I’ve noticed about certain shippers is that they’re obsessed with the idea of Ryan leaving the show, so they use the networking and PR stuff to try to justify the idea. Why isn’t he allowed to do things outside of/in between shooting the show? Other cast members do it, but that doesn’t mean they’re leaving.


And I’m also positive a father of two who enjoys playing a character on a long running show wouldn’t leave a steady income so easily. I would think leaving one job to go to another where you’d be getting an 8th season pay to probably making much less on a 1st season pay would play a factor. No one is saying he doesn’t have options but it’s common sense that money matters to people.

 

[Proton36]

I mean, I agree with you both. I think Minear likes Guzman and wouldn't do anything to make him uncomfortable. Guzman also does good PR for the show.

All things that Guzman can point to and say "there's my leverage, I'd like some creative control, thanks".

 

[KingMeBro]

The guy played Tommy himself has said that it was originally going to be Eddie/Tommy (and looking at the episodes you could see it in the writing) but since it left Fox and was in limbo before going to ABC they couldn't get Buck's girlfriends back due to her picking up another gig so that left Buck single instead.

 

[Thesexlessthrowaway]

People put a lot of blame on Minear around killing Bobby but I genuinely think that was mostly a financial decision. I'm near-certain that Minear had to make the choice between cutting multiple characters on lower paid contracts or Krause, and chose the latter.

Would people have liked it any better if Hen, Eddie, or even Chimney had all been cut from the show to keep Krause on? I doubt it.

There's also the rumour that Minear learned a painful lesson from Lowe when Lone Star ended about putting your foot down as a showrunner. Personally, I buy it.

And I'll also point out, again, that if Guzman is opposed to the Buddie storyline he could just leave. That is his leverage. If he is asked to do it and refuses, are they going to fire him? I doubt it. That would be self-defeating.

If it was about money, there are many things to address before even beginning to consider firing cast members, namely Tim Minear’s inefficiency. Horribly late scripts delivered the day before shooting, expensive helicopters, blocked locations in downtown LA, a stadium, a parade of fire trucks… for scenes that could’ve been emails; too many changes, filming basically two episodes per episode and cutting scenes with their own locations and actors and stuff, three Big Emergencies in one season (and the two from 8B were unnecessary), delays in filming… you could hire three more Peter Krauses with the money you would save firing Minear and hiring a showrunner that knows how to stick to an outline and a budget.

Also, Ryan Guzman threatening to leave is not much leverage because they know he won’t. Someone like Angela of Jenifer Love Hewitt threatening to leave is leverage, and yet they didn’t convince Tim to not be an idiot. Killing Bobby Nash (which is to say, firing Peter Krause) is self-defeating, and yet he did it.

Why are people under the assumption that the choice is either pick the Buddie storyline or leave the show? It's possible that he got offered a queer storyline, rejected it, and passed it on to Oliver for some made up reason with no drama, hence where we currently are now.

What I heard is that the queer Eddie storyline fell through because Buck was meant to have a girlfriend when it happened (I guess so it wouldn’t be Buddie canon immediately), but the actress who played Buck’s new girlfriend wasn’t available whereas the actress who played Eddie’s girlfriend was, so the storyline switched from queer Eddie to queer Buck. It had nothing to do with Ryan’s or Oliver’s opinions.

 

[pickkleman]

I agree with @Thesexlessthrowaway. Losing Peter would lose viewership; cutting costs on helicopter etc is better way to go

Ryan is an employee. Ryan has played gay character before. At that time Natalie (buck's gf couldn't come back) and so they introduced new character, Tommy.

Also this is what Tim's brother had to say about it (this is from Tim's facebook).

Now do u think said no queer eddie? The guy who compared himself to Jesus or Ryan the employee?

 

[pickkleman]

To clarify: At that time Natalie (buck's gf) couldn't come back and so they introduced new character, Tommy. Eddie already had Marisol so they could play the Kim storyline (unresolved Shannon trauma to "close the chapter"). For the record, Ryan wanted to end that chapter too. Also they needed a way to get Chris away bc the actor moved from LA.

(also I got this facebook screenshot from twitter. I don't personally follow them)

 

[Proton36]

That was in season 7. They've had plenty of time to do any sort of queer Eddie arc if they wanted to over the last year.

I just can't believe that Minear wouldn't go for it if someone else wasn't blocking it. He doesn't seem the type.

Whereas Guzman is a devout Christian with conservative leanings. So, the math isn't mathing for me.

 

[DAVE08114]

Getting rid of Angela Bassett would’ve killed the show. That show without her is not good enough to be kept on the air. It would be like having How To Get Away With Murder without Viola Davis.

LOL. I doubt it. The show is an ensemble. it's not about her, but you'd think it was given the screentime she hogs. The show would do fine without her.

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

She's an executive producer.

 

[Kizzo2002]

LOL. I doubt it. The show is an ensemble. it's not about her, but you'd think it was given the screentime she hogs. The show would do fine without her.

Ryan Murphy built the show around Angela Bassett. I know we all love Ryan G and Oliver S, but it's not about them lol. She's also the executive producer of the show.

 

[KingMeBro]

Whereas Guzman is a devout Christian with conservative leanings. So, the math isn't mathing for me.

The Ryan Guzman who was in a gay movie as a potential hook up for Matt Bomer? The Ryan Guzman who was "roomies" with Tyler Hoechlin for years and besties with Colton Haynes? The Ryan Guzman who's ass is all over the internet and he even jokes about it. The Ryan Guzman who dropped out of seminary cause he realized he didn't agree with it? ... That "devout Christian conservative" Ryan Guzman?

 

[Proton36]

The Ryan Guzman who was in a gay movie as a potential hook up for Matt Bomer? The Ryan Guzman who was "roomies" with Tyler Hoechlin for years and besties with Colton Haynes? The Ryan Guzman who's ass is all over the internet and he even jokes about it. The Ryan Guzman who dropped out of seminary cause he realized he didn't agree with it? ... That "devout Christian conservative" Ryan Guzman?

Which part are you refuting?

That he's devout? That he's Christian? That he's conservative leaning?

Because he went on a Christian podcast not that long ago to talk about his beliefs so they are not exactly secret.

 

[As_tas]

View attachment 174730031If it was about money, there are many things to address before even beginning to consider firing cast members, namely Tim Minear’s inefficiency. Horribly late scripts delivered the day before shooting, expensive helicopters, blocked locations in downtown LA, a stadium, a parade of fire trucks… for scenes that could’ve been emails; too many changes, filming basically two episodes per episode and cutting scenes with their own locations and actors and stuff, three Big Emergencies in one season (and the two from 8B were unnecessary), delays in filming… you could hire three more Peter Krauses with the money you would save firing Minear and hiring a showrunner that knows how to stick to an outline and a budget.
Also, Ryan Guzman threatening to leave is not much leverage because they know he won’t. Someone like Angela of Jenifer Love Hewitt threatening to leave is leverage, and yet they didn’t convince Tim to not be an idiot. Killing Bobby Nash (which is to say, firing Peter Krause) is self-defeating, and yet he did it.

One thing to note about this is that he still has a contract with DIsney for decades even after his shows consistenly get cancelled; with the short time he has in all of his shows, he still has fans who enjoy those works of him until today. Despite the massive outrage on internet after Bobby's death, the numbers and ratings went up for the episode he died and after, or at least the ratings didn't take a noticeable hit. His death in hindsight is also great for story purposes since losing a more grounded character like him affects almost everyone in the show that if handled properly would create a branching arc among the remaining cast members. We've seen more rare scene partners like Eddie with Hen or Karen with Athena or Buck with Eddie's aunt of all people. The death itself is not a bad idea.

What I heard is that the queer Eddie storyline fell through because Buck was meant to have a girlfriend when it happened (I guess so it wouldn’t be Buddie canon immediately), but the actress who played Buck’s new girlfriend wasn’t available whereas the actress who played Eddie’s girlfriend was, so the storyline switched from queer Eddie to queer Buck. It had nothing to do with Ryan’s or Oliver’s opinions.

Unfortunately this is a case of people making assumption from observing people's movement from the outside. It doesn't make sense to me to cancel out a queer story arc for one half of the ship based on a side character's availability, especially with the way both girlfriends were badly treated in the season; Buck's girlfriend was written out by Buck saying she's boring for talking too much about death, and Eddie's girlfriend unceremoniously exited the show after she caught Eddie cheating. So from that it was either network or Ryan's intervention, but when the queer arc continued on the only logical conclusion is Ryan refusing. The reason for why Ryan refusing is still not known other than that leaker back then saying that Ryan told Tim the story made more sense with Buck, and some people are way too eager to make an instant "Ryan refusing = he's evil homophobe" the grindrgate stuff it makes the situation rather iffy.