Thoughts on circumcision?

Circumcised, happy about it?

  • Uncircumcised and happy

    Votes: 204 35.3%
  • Uncircumcised and wish I was

    Votes: 44 7.6%
  • Circumcised and happy

    Votes: 202 34.9%
  • Circumcised and wish I wasn't

    Votes: 128 22.1%

  • Total voters
    578

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Hi,

I came to Canada in 1981 and was somewhat surprised to noticed that most males here are circumwacked.

In 1989 I got married to a Canadian girl. Prior to our wedding I informed her that I was intact. She did not have any objection towards my uncut status. I had thought that it might have been an issue as she grew up in a culture where most male relatives were circumwacked. My wife is 18 years younger than her next younger sister in line. As a result mosto of her nieces and nephews were older or a few years younger. The only uncircumcised penis was her youngest nephew being 8 years old as I started going out with her.
On our wedding night I was pleasantly surprised that she was very interested in studying my penis.
When we had our two boys, we left them un touched in that area as well. I remember my mother in law mentioning circumcision, I did not have to say a thing. My wife strongly told her mom that there was no need for circumcision.
 

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I hated it growing up, I've always been very long limp (7") and one of the only guys who was uncut. Felt really self-conscious since everyone could see it, but probably around 17/18 I started to really enjoy it. Lots of little pleasures to be found, plus mine isn't that big, its almost like a turtle neck for my head. My doctor has been recommending that I get cut for some time, but now I love it so much and wouldn't want to give it up unless its a medical emergency.
 

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Given that big axe you are grinding, I am certain you do not have the intellectual stamina to actually look thru old epidemiological stats on the rates of at syphillis and gonorrhea after the turn of the previous century... And the change in rates after the public health measure of RIC, and silver nitrate in b
Newborn's eyes... (why babies are squinty for days after birth... Adopted to reduce syphillis related blindness) But they can be found... I managed to find them way back before the intertubes...
I don't suppose you could produce said phantom evidence? Or are we supposed to take your word on the existence of such studies?

But guys who have your belief system are incapable of crediting real data that contradicts their assumptions.
Yes, the transmission of these diseases dropped dramatically after public health measures were adopted. You can argue about how much of this drop is attributable to RIC... And how much to educational efforts and increased condom use... But recent world health organization studies all further endorse the role of RIC in reducing transmission rates.
Period.
Your unsupported opinion notwithstanding.
Support RIC in preventing transmission rates in Gonorrhea and Syphilis? A permanent surgical procedure bypassing personal consent in order to reduce the rates of diseases which can be treated effectively with antibiotics? How old are these studies you're quoting?

And which particular circle of WHO studies ALL endorse RIC?

Ah, yes... SOUNDS judicious, don't it... Except, of course, this is your dodge to criminalize the procedure... To make it against the law, regardless of the real benefits and the cultural importance many people's attach to it...

You can not abide a free world in which people and cultures can freely determine their own choices... You want to stick your nose into other people's lives and decree what is or is not acceptable.
Try presenting one study which actually shows said benefits without having logical holes large enough to sink the Titanic. In the meantime, what exactly is it when parents decree their child's foreskin is not acceptable? How is that not sticking their nose into someone else's life?
As to risk... Nothing is risk free... Not even leaving the foreskin on.
And frankly... As innoculation and vaccine programs prove, The tiny risk to a tiny number of people is offset by a vastly larger and more pernicious risk to the public at large.
The risks of having a foreskin are GREATLY exaggerated, while the risks of having the procedure are mostly understated. How many parents are actually aware of the laundry list of (uncommon) side effects that can result from the procedure?

In the end, ignoring all immediate effects from change of anatomy, circumcision exchanges one set of rates for another. A Cost-Utility Analysis of Neonatal Circumcision Care to highlight where exactly the cut guys break ahead? Or even?

Imbeciles refusing to vaccinate Their children, put whole communities at peril of epidemics... And indeed, more children die of measles and whooping cough than ever die from vaccines for those diseases.
Agreed here. How is it that it was determined that such vaccines were a good idea? Cost-Benefit Analysis. What is the cost for this procedure (both in money and to the individuals)? What do we get from this procedure? In the case of vaccinations, the extremely rare negative reactions are overwhelmed by the quality of health increase for the subjects as a whole.

And BTW... Everything from Vaccines, to heart operations in vivo are perfect evidence that parents HAVE the right to make such decisions for their minor children.

Moreover... The State takes the position they have the Responsibility to make such decisions.
There's a big difference between the procedures. Immunizations are shown to be far and away some of the best procedures around. Immunizations are so effective they're basically synonymous with "preventive medicine". In addition, they do not permanently alter the child's anatomy in any way. In vitro heart surgery, meanwhile, falls under the banner of "medical imperative", which is the entire reason we allow consent by proxy, so children can get important medical treatment for illness.

Meanwhile, what does circumcision prevent? Despite your claims that such studies exist, you have yet to present one, and your impotent opinion is overruled by the American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, Center for Disease Control all disagree with you. In fact, nontherapeutic circumcision isn't even considered a strictly "medical" procedure anymore.

As for the state, we live in a democratic republic, not a dictatorship. Laws dictate the state's opinion, not the other way around. If the law is changed, the state will bow before it.

But, of course... Allowing actual science to inform public policy is unpopular...

Instead we have folks like you who claim their is no benefit, when it has been demonstrated.

Sorry... I don't recommend RIC to people... If they ask why I am happy with my own, or why I decided to have it done to my sons... I am happy to explain my reasons.
But I would leave it up to each person and each parent.

You would tell others what they can or can not do.
Projection at its best. Your entire stance involves allowing one class of people (parents) to impinge on the rights and preferences of another (children) at no net benefit to the other. An anti-RIC stance wishes to preserve the choice for the owner. Once they are of legal age to make such a decision for themselves, there is nothing stopping them.

In a country where RIC was illegal, it would be possible for everyone to have what they wanted. Barring other outside influence or unwise choices, 100% satisfaction with their intactness/altered state. Just look at this poll. If it were representative of the whole country (it isn't), would you seriously condone telling almost 20% of the population that no one cares what they think, just so they could be permanently altered in a way they may view as mutilation in exchange for dubiously marginal benefits? What percentage would be acceptable for you?
 

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I don't understand why the survey at the top of the page says 11 men have responded that they are "uncircumcised" (intact), but wish that they were not.
That is ridiculous when the world is full of urologists and other doctors who are so anxious to cut it off.
It is the 35 men who reported that they are mutilated and wish they were intact who are royally screwed.
I would not let a doctor cut off my penile prepuce any more than I would let him or her cut off my eyelids. I want neither my glans penis nor my eyeballs to be dried out, iritated and unprotected.
But that is just me, you 11 adult men who are unhappy about being intact should get your dick to a doctor and get the prepuce and any other part that you don't like cut off.
 

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But, the prevailing thought tends to be that most guys wish they were circumcised/are happy that they are circ'd.
That's not a good way of dealing with the statistics when most guys are circumcised.

The poll above shows what others have shown, that the proportion of intact guys who are happy with the way they are is markedly greater than the proportion of cut guys who are happy with the way they are.

(It's too few to be statistically significant, and self-reporting on a website about big dicks is not a random sample of the general population, but the figures as of July 24, 2011 are -
happy/unhappy to be intact, 72/11 = 6.5:1
happy/unhappy to be circumcised, 59/36 = 1.6:1 or four times as likely to be happy to be intact as happy to be circumcised.)

Therefore, if you want your son to be happy with the way he is, the chances of that are greater if you simply leave his genitals alone.

Bear in mind that in the US there is strong pressure on intact men NOT to be happy to be that way. In most of the developed world, where most men are intact and it's not an issue, the happiness ratio would be much higher.
 

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My perspective as a bi male is that there is nothing more luxurious than a long foreskin! As far as the hygienic question... there is no difference between a man and a women... some are "clean" and some are not. I would not opt for a colostomy bag in order to eliminate the need to wash my butt! Pertaining to the question of "scent," women have their scent and intact men have their scent. Sex, without its perfume, is not better than sex with a plastic dildo.
 

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I've never had this smegma people have pounded on. I guess it's because I was taught to bathe. :p I don't knock circumcised guy. It's just rude of me to do so. Guys I've been with that have been circumcised are ones I kind of feel sorry for. All of them didn't have frenulums and don't feel what I feel. I kind of blamed myself for not being able to get them off for ten minutes of blowing them, as it is hard work some guys don't realize. But then they get to me, I tell them about what feels good and then they get me off.
I rather give credit where it is due. Those that are cut as adults may have a misfortune of not liking it. And it's too bad. But the thing is that I've noticed is that men get a choice in the type of circumcision. Babies do not. That's why I met a guy at a circle jerk, he had a frenulum and told everyone he felt the same stuff as a intact guy, because he requested he keep that part. His glans desensitized over 20 years, he said. Perhaps cutting so young doesn't allow the individual to develop completely. There has always been the debate of sensitivity loss. Methodology is to blame for inaccurate outcomes. A test of fine touch sensitivity with a feather has found that sensitivity is greater with uncircumcised men. But with say there isn't a difference in sensitivity for cut men, the study involved simply asking the men how much they feel, not entailing that they had been cut at an early age or how it varied with other sensitive areas.
I conducted an experiment of my own about cleanliness. I was curious about this smegma people were talking about. I tried not washing for a couple weeks. First few days I couldn't help but clean myself. It's the morning, I'm not completely awake and I washed myself without thinking. So, I go about this experiment with that full intent. I get the scent of cum, but not so much urine the first week because I hold it a little back with one hand while I brace the wall usually with the other. Second week, no smegma. I go onto the third week, by then I just pee with my foreskin covered, no difference. I even push my foreskin forward even more to simulate men with longer foreskins. I then go about this that week. There is a scent difference of stale urine. It's noticeable with scent, but no smegma. And even the scent isn't foul and strong as I've heard of. I didn't add asparagus to my diet to further the experiment, sorry. So, going onto the forth week of TRYING NOT TO CLEAN my foreskin, I noticed a little white around the ridged band and glans. It is indeed old cum, perhaps a little dead skin cells somewhere in it. I don't exactly shed like a snake. So, in four weeks time, I managed to work up a little smegma almost the amount of bead of pre. That's how much time and WORK it took to build up the stuff.
So, it doesn't matter if you are circumcised or intact. You don't wash yourself, you're gross. It took a lot for me to get a certain way of uncleanliness. I can only imagine how many months for other guys to build up so much to get that dirty and I wonder if cut guys even wash themselves, because there is no visual evidence of it. I always request bathing with all my mates before hand, along with documentation to ensure a less likely chance of contracting STDs. It's just my thing. It has nothing to do with being cut skin or for skin.
 

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I’m happy with my circ but that's because they did such a "poor" job. They left more than half and I have a fully intact frenulum. I can't imagine that being gone or rather I don't want to.
 

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having been circumcised at birth against my will is a grudge that will be carried to the grave; i did not get the right to have a naturally developed body(the skin is the largest organ of our bodies). some dominating, sadistic pedophiles thought it would be great to make a quick buck off of sexually assaulting me as soon as i entered the world. i was stripped of what make me a man- part of my penis. i have scarring, both physical and psychosexually from the event. i know from personal experience that: only safe sex can prevent sexually transmitted disease, hygiene must occur for all body parts, and pluralistic ignorance is not an excuse for society to be ashamed of the male and female bodies in their natural states.

* would you like it if physicians and surgeons constrained all the women in the world and removed nipples and breast tissue for the sake of preventing breast cancer?

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Hi there... I'm debating with some of my friends about circumcision, but we really only have the female perspective, which is fairly useless, haha. But, the prevailing thought tends to be that most guys wish they were circumcised/are happy that they are circ'd. Cut or uncut doesn't matter to me, but if I had a son I wouldn't have him cut, just because I don't think it's necessary. If you don't mind me asking, what have some of your experiences been? Thanks!

I just want to note that the pro-circumcision guys jumped on your thread and front loaded it with positive comments. If you want to really know about it, do some research on the internet. You will find that Europeans, who are basically more sensible about bodily issues, are almost uniformly uncircumcised, as are the majority of people in the world. You will find that circumcision reduces sexual pleasure for the man, taking away a significant percentage of sexual pleasure nerves on the penis, as well as making the head of the penis less sensitive. You will find that, unless you live in a poverty ridden country with a high HIV rate, there is no medical reason to be circumcised. You will find that it makes intercourse more pleasurable for women, especially with a big penis. You will find that it makes masturbation easier, since uncut men don't need lube, and that many people find the foreskin fun to play with.

You will also find that people circumcise their infant sons for the strangest reasons: They believe that God wants them to hurt their babies and cut up their bodies. They believe that boys will feel strange if their penis doesn't look exactly like their fathers (as if it ever would). They believe that it looks "cleaner" or better, instead of understanding that it just looks more like what they are used to seeing. They believe that it will be "dirty," even though women are able to keep themselves clean, and all it takes is washing oneself in the shower. They believe it is medically better, even though not one medical society in the US says it is.

Now, of course some guys who are circumcised like to feel good about it. What can I say?
 

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Given that big axe you are grinding, I am certain you do not have the intellectual stamina to actually look thru old epidemiological stats on the rates of at syphillis and gonorrhea after the turn of the previous century... And the change in rates after the public health measure of RIC, and silver nitrate in b
Newborn's eyes... (why babies are squinty for days after birth... Adopted to reduce syphillis related blindness) But they can be found... I managed to find them way back before the intertubes...

But guys who have your belief system are incapable of crediting real data that contradicts their assumptions.
Yes, the transmission of these diseases dropped dramatically after public health measures were adopted. You can argue about how much of this drop is attributable to RIC... And how much to educational efforts and increased condom use... But recent world health organization studies all further endorse the role of RIC in reducing transmission rates.
Period.
Your unsupported opinion notwithstanding.



Ah, yes... SOUNDS judicious, don't it... Except, of course, this is your dodge to criminalize the procedure... To make it against the law, regardless of the real benefits and the cultural importance many people's attach to it...

You can not abide a free world in which people and cultures can freely determine their own choices... You want to stick your nose into other people's lives and decree what is or is not acceptable.


As to risk... Nothing is risk free... Not even leaving the foreskin on.
And frankly... As innoculation and vaccine programs prove, The tiny risk to a tiny number of people is offset by a vastly larger and more pernicious risk to the public at large.

Imbeciles refusing to vaccinate Their children, put whole communities at peril of epidemics... And indeed, more children die of measles and whooping cough than ever die from vaccines for those diseases.

And BTW... Everything from Vaccines, to heart operations in vivo are perfect evidence that parents HAVE the right to make such decisions for their minor children.

Moreover... The State takes the position they have the Responsibility to make such decisions.


But, of course... Allowing actual science to inform public policy is unpopular...

Instead we have folks like you who claim their is no benefit, when it has been demonstrated.

Sorry... I don't recommend RIC to people... If they ask why I am happy with my own, or why I decided to have it done to my sons... I am happy to explain my reasons.
But I would leave it up to each person and each parent.

You would tell others what they can or can not do.

And you are totally ignoring whose body it is. You take the decision away from the owner, as if you know what he is going to want.
It's a simple civil right, the right to decide which healthy body parts to keep.
 

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I'm uncut and wouldn't dream of my life any other way. I use it as a way to pick up girls.. for example, a girl and I start flirting hard and heavy, and I'll say something like, "Ever seen an uncut cock before?"

And here in BFE U.S., the answer is always no. So.. I whip it out, which of course leads to more fun. I'm a bit of a whore sometimes.

That aside, it's kind of an outdated and barbaric practice that serves no purpose now. It's not like we cut other parts of our bodies off in the name of health, so why do we cut parts of our son's penises off? It makes no sense.
 

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I was cut as an adult but wished from my first sighting of a cut cock, that I was cut too. I would feel embarrassd in school locker rooms among my cut pals because my cock didn't look like the majority of their cocks. And I thought cut cocks looked so much better than uncut ones. Long story short, I'm glad to be cut, wouldn't go back to having a forskin for anything.
 
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it has been a few years since I got a full circ. Whenever I drop underwear and se fully exposed glans, it reminds me of how much better my dick is now. same when I have that great sensation of head in underwear.

i don't miss my original long forskin nor my semi-cut one.
 
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it has been a few years since I got a full circ. Whenever I drop underwear and se fully exposed glans, it reminds me of how much better my dick is now. same when I have that great sensation of head in underwear.

i don't miss my original long forskin nor my semi-cut one.

I suppose it is good that you and nicecircjob, feel so happy about having yourselves circumcised. It would be a bit tragic if you regretted having done it. However if you look at the poll above, you will note that a significant percentage of circumcised men wish they hadn't been cut. If we stop circumcising infants, it will have two effects at least: 1) adults will get to decide for themselves if they want it, as opposed to forcing it on helpless babies; 2) young boys will stop wanting to be cut so they can look like other boys. If they decide to remove an important part of their penises, they will do it for a reason other than conformity.
 
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Nice thread and happy to participate. I found the results of the poll very interesting. I'm uncut and for the most part I love my cock just as it is. The only thing I've ever wondered on this subject is whether being cut would reduce sensitivity and enable cut guys in general to last longer. I do find it hard to last sometimes, depending on mood, level of excitement and how long since I last came. However, my wife and I employ a whole lot of alternative tactics to get her to orgasm without extended periods of pounding her cervix. Manual and oral stimulation, her or me or both, combined with vaginal penetration works beautifully and we achieve many simultaneous orgasms like this. Although I think being cut probably does help with stamina (have no proof of this just a deduction based on hearsay really) I would never even CONSIDER being circumcised. I love my penis just the way it is.
 
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As some European users wrote before me, circumcision is not common in the "Old World" - I am not circumcised and no one of my friends or relatives either.

I've read about several theories so far: religious, anti-masturbatory, medicinal, hygienic, "practical", aesthetic ... and IMO it is very hard to be wise about this matter because every single one of those theories offers some good argument.

My personal concern would be lessened sensitivity after circumcision, but I also see positive effect of that :)

And I think that circumcision should not be forced upon newborns.

I've just realized that my thoughts on circumcision are very similar to my thoughts on religion :D
 

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I think they should make a single discussion area JUST for circumcision/un... how many ways can this topic be rediscussed? just curious...
 
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