When Is A Bisexual Man Not A Bisexual Man?

[dickthrobbing]

Care to share? What is it to you?

As I said its mostly about fucking, being fucked, BDSM play also just generally sharing a bed with some for sex

 

[FrankieGuile]

As I said its mostly about fucking, being fucked, BDSM play also just generally sharing a bed with some for sex

It's a nonsensical answer to the question but thanks for your contribution.

 

[FrankieGuile]

Why the ongoing debate? It's your opinion vs the world. Who cares if it "obfuscates" the meaning? None of us are stepping on anyone's toes here. No one is being offended. Yes. We are bi. But some like to differentiate the "level" or "type" of being bi. I know that really gets under your skin. If you can just accept that we are all different will go a long way to enjoying this place.

Because words have meanings, and associating words with clear meanings allows us to communicate honestly and without pretense.

 

[PsychicPenguin22]

Because words have meanings, and associating words with clear meanings allows us to communicate honestly and without pretense.

No one, neither in this post nor the other, has even attempted to challenge or change the meaning of "bisexual." That's still your very much ongoing strawman.

Also, heard of prescriptive vs descriptive linguistics? Again, there was a time when the term "bisexual" didn't even exist because people back then - going by your logic - didn’t think it was necessary to categorize. Any man who had sexual or romantic feelings for another man was gay, and that was that. Hell, "bisexual" originally didn't mean what it does today, it was used in the context of biology to refer to intersex individuals.

 

[WilliamG]

Because words have meanings, and associating words with clear meanings allows us to communicate honestly and without pretense.

I still don't get your pet peeve about this issue. We have explained OUR views on this. Yet you disagree. Great. Move on. The fact you don't agree with what others are saying to you is YOUR issue. Not ours. We are explaining our views in the way we know how. There is no dishonesty of pretense.

Final answer: I'm a man married to a woman who enjoys MM, MF, FF, MFM, FMF, and any combination thereof porn. I've done online cam with both men and women (90% with men). I like men purely as a sexual outlet. No kissing or romantic overtones. All of this developed later in life for me.

So there you go. Label it however it works for you. But I'm just a bi guy. Simple and honest without pretense enough for you? Would LOVE to hear your backstory. Otherwise... I'm out.

 

[FrankieGuile]

I still don't get your pet peeve about this issue. We have explained OUR views on this. Yet you disagree. Great. Move on. The fact you don't agree with what others are saying to you is YOUR issue. Not ours. We are explaining our views in the way we know how. There is no dishonesty of pretense.

Final answer: I'm a man married to a woman who enjoys MM, MF, FF, MFM, FMF, and any combination thereof porn. I've done online cam with both men and women (90% with men). I like men purely as a sexual outlet. No kissing or romantic overtones. All of this developed later in life for me.

So there you go. Label it however it works for you. But I'm just a bi guy. Simple and honest without pretense enough for you? Would LOVE to hear your backstory. Otherwise... I'm out.

I disagree with the illogic that a man who identifies as bisexual would answer a question indicating he is something other than bisexual. Likewise, I am suspicious of the intent of a person asking a bisexual man to identify as something other than bisexual. The contrivances of qualifying how bisexual a man might be does not change the illogic of the question.

 

[PsychicPenguin22]

I disagree with the illogic that a man who identifies as bisexual would answer a question indicating he is something other than bisexual. Likewise, I am suspicious of the intent of a person asking a bisexual man to identify as something other than bisexual. The contrivances of qualifying how bisexual a man might be does not change the illogic of the question.

For the MILLIONTH time, no one answered a question indicating he is something other than bisexual. No one asked a bisexual man to identify as something other than bisexual. The question was concerning the ROMANTIC attraction of bisexual men. Clearly you still can't grasp such a simple concept despite everyone's attempts to explain it to you.

 

[FrankieGuile]

For the MILLIONTH time, no one answered a question indicating he is something other than bisexual. No one asked a bisexual man to identify as something other than bisexual. The question was concerning the ROMANTIC attraction of bisexual men. Clearly you still can't grasp such a simple concept despite everyone's attempts to explain it to you.

As I've stated, I do not differentiate between "romantic" and "sexual" with regard to how the question was asked. On the contrary, I believe the question was deliberately worded to create an artificial distinction and people fell for it.

 

[PsychicPenguin22]

As I've stated, I do not differentiate between "romantic" and "sexual" with regard to how the question was asked. On the contrary, I believe the question was deliberately worded to create an artificial distinction and people fell for it.

The question couldn't have been clearer. It was posted in the "Ask a bisexual man" forum and it clearly stated it was pertaining to the romantic attraction of bisexual men. You either didn't understand the question or don't understand the notion of romantic vs sexual attraction. But either way, it's a YOU problem.

 

[WilliamG]

I disagree with the illogic that a man who identifies as bisexual would answer a question indicating he is something other than bisexual. Likewise, I am suspicious of the intent of a person asking a bisexual man to identify as something other than bisexual. The contrivances of qualifying how bisexual a man might be does not change the illogic of the question.

Dude... Who here stated they were anything but bisexual? This is troll level debate now. Sorry you can't learn to accept other folks opinions. None of us have said "how" bisexual we are. We've stated the TYPE of bisexuality we prefer. We are not even disagreeing with being bi. YES! WE ARE BI!

This is why I did not respond to your question straight out. You came here with an agenda to ruffle feathers. Have you ever had a sexual relationship with another man? Seriously? Could you be honest with us and tell us a bit about your background. Or are you just going to keep stirring the pot?

 

[FrankieGuile]

Dude... Who here stated they were anything but bisexual? This is troll level debate now. Sorry you can't learn to accept other folks opinions. None of us have said "how" bisexual we are. We've stated the TYPE of bisexuality we prefer. We are not even disagreeing with being bi. YES! WE ARE BI!

This is why I did not respond to your question straight out. You came here with an agenda to ruffle feathers. Have you ever had a sexual relationship with another man? Seriously? Could you be honest with us and tell us a bit about your background. Or are you just going to keep stirring the pot?

The illogical of the matter is not "how" bisexual one might be but that the "types" of bisexuality necessarily exclude being exclusively straight, exclusively gay, or exclusively asexual despite attempts to suggest that bisexuality somehow includes these mutually exclusive preferences.

 

[PsychicPenguin22]

The illogical of the matter is not "how" bisexual one might be but that the "types" of bisexuality necessarily exclude being exclusively straight, exclusively gay, or exclusively asexual despite attempts to suggest that bisexuality somehow includes these mutually exclusive preferences.

Being bisexual and only ROMANTICALLY attracted to either men or women are not mutually exclusive, you pea-brained troll.

 

[geordie-bloke]

OK, neck on the line time, please do not hate on me as I'm being 110% honest about my beliefs and I am ALWAYS open to challenge.

I have always used the example of a man, married to a man, who's fucking women and getting his kink on with women on the side then coming home to his husband (whether the husband knows about his jaunts or not).

Introduce this fictional couple/ individual to me and I will believe there is such a thing as "true" bisexuality. Experiences validating this, FOR ME, are:

1. I'm afraid I've met far too many gay guys, since school age (most of the "bi" guys I've known) and including myself, who came out as bisexual to test the waters, for themelves as much as their peers probably, i.e. convinced themselves they were 50% "normal" before becoming fully comfortable with the fact that they're attracted to men and becoming 100% gay.
2. I've experienced/ heard/ read/ become aware of a plethora of situations where a man is married to a woman, fucks around with men and the wife has no idea. Never the opposite.

Look, no hate, if you wanna tell me you're bisexual or straight and you can actually carry it off (I have internalized homophobia so am super attracted to "straighyt" guys" mainly), I'm gonna be down on my knees for you regardless and no mistake. The illusion will blur if you get on your knees and especially if you beg for my big todger up you but regardless..

NB , this is with kinks, exploration, curiosity, etc. aside. At one point in my life I did manage to feel a fanny and my also-bi mate John (now 100% homo unless you count when he's "Lola" at the weekends and ostensibly straight?) was the class heterosexual whore so go figure...

Come at me, bring it on, change my mind, please! ESPECIALLY if you can honestly provide that rare example or marriage (and not including fiction ... they actually did that on Fall of The House of Usher on Netflix which, out of context, I totally recommend watching it's farkin excaellent!

 

[dickthrobbing]

It's a nonsensical answer to the question but thanks for your contribution.

Maybe its because the question asked is nonsensical.
I am bisexual butt not biromantic

 

[bigboaster]

OK, neck on the line time, please do not hate on me as I'm being 110% honest about my beliefs and I am ALWAYS open to challenge.

I have always used the example of a man, married to a man, who's fucking women and getting his kink on with women on the side then coming home to his husband (whether the husband knows about his jaunts or not).

In this scenario are they in an open relationship? Or is the guy cheating? I find this set up odd because it's suggesting a bisexual person just couldn't be monogamous? Bisexuality isn't a kink to "get off" every now and then with a guy/girl.

Introduce this fictional couple/ individual to me and I will believe there is such a thing as "true" bisexuality. Experiences validating this, FOR ME, are:

1. I'm afraid I've met far too many gay guys, since school age (most of the "bi" guys I've known) and including myself, who came out as bisexual to test the waters, for themelves as much as their peers probably, i.e. convinced themselves they were 50% "normal" before becoming fully comfortable with the fact that they're attracted to men and becoming 100% gay.

You just said yourself.... They're gay. Not actually bi. It's not uncommon for some gay men to claim being bisexual before accepting their homosexuality. Not sure what this point has to do with true bisexuals.

2. I've experienced/ heard/ read/ become aware of a plethora of situations where a man is married to a woman, fucks around with men and the wife has no idea. Never the opposite.

Well now you're getting into the discussion of the "closet" which complicates things. It's much more likely a man will "fuck around" with a guy behind his wife's back since there is a taboo for being gay, it often needs to be secretive for many guys. there is no taboo for having straight sex. It doesn't make sense that the opposite would be just as prevalent. The guy could be gay and not even actually bi in this case. There's too much overlap

Come at me, bring it on, change my mind, please! ESPECIALLY if you can honestly provide that rare example or marriage (and not including fiction ... they actually did that on Fall of The House of Usher on Netflix which, out of context, I totally recommend watching it's farkin excaellent!

Idgi. So one example would be enough to change your entire outlook on this? Doesn't really make much sense. There are billions of people on this planet. Surely what you described has certainly happened at least once somewhere.

But so what? Suddenly that make true bisexuality real in your eyes?? Yeah it's not adding up here. I think you simply don't understand what bisexuality fundamentally is or means. That's my take

 

[geordie-bloke]

In this scenario are they in an open relationship? Or is the guy cheating? I find this set up odd because it's suggesting a bisexual person just couldn't be monogamous? Bisexuality isn't a kink to "get off" every now and then with a guy/girl.

You just said yourself.... They're gay. Not actually bi. It's not uncommon for some gay men to claim being bisexual before accepting their homosexuality. Not sure what this point has to do with true bisexuals.

Well now you're getting into the discussion of the "closet" which complicates things. It's much more likely a man will "fuck around" with a guy behind his wife's back since there is a taboo for being gay, it often needs to be secretive for many guys. there is no taboo for having straight sex. It doesn't make sense that the opposite would be just as prevalent. The guy could be gay and not even actually bi in this case. There's too much overlap

Idgi. So one example would be enough to change your entire outlook on this? Doesn't really make much sense. There are billions of people on this planet. Surely what you described has certainly happened at least once somewhere.

But so what? Suddenly that make true bisexuality real in your eyes?? Yeah it's not adding up here. I think you simply don't understand what bisexuality fundamentally is or means. That's my take

So the marriage situation could be an open marriage OR cheating. The point is that the man is married to a man and fucks girls on the sly. Of course a bisexual person can be monogamous. I'd be very keen to hear of openly bisexual men who are married to a female but loud and proud about their proclivities, albeit not acted upon.

You may well be correct in saying I don't "fundamentally" know what it means ... but of course I do; it is what it says on the tin since time-immemorial. Do I believe there's just one way of interpreting whatever it is? No. Could I describe every way there is of defining the word outside of the dictionary? No. But I do think, as you alluded, societal pressures make it VERY hard to know who truly is and who truly isn't, whether that being the slow coming out phase or the marrying for cover scenario. I find sexuality endlessly fascinating but I believe that a person's heart, soul and, well, cock, are drawn to one gender over the other by a significant stretch.

 

[PsychicPenguin22]

I find sexuality endlessly fascinating but I believe that a person's heart, soul and, well, cock, are drawn to one gender over the other by a significant stretch.

Not in my case, they don't. Trust me, I wish they would, it'd make life so much easier.

As for your "fictional" couple, I happen to know a lesbian marriage where one of the women has openly had affairs with men. Would you count that as "true" bisexuality?

 

[geordie-bloke]

Not in my case, they don't. Trust me, I wish they would, it'd make life so much easier.

As for your "fictional" couple, I happen to know a lesbian marriage where one of the women has openly had affairs with men. Would you count that as "true" bisexuality?

Ooooh you touched my weak spot ... women are a total mystery to me and I DO believe they acytual;ly can be truly bisexual. Ain't that nuts? I know it is. LEt's just keep birds off the table for now if you don't mind cos am gunna lose any argument and lok bad!!

 

[ManchesterTom]

Why the ongoing debate? It's your opinion vs the world. Who cares if it "obfuscates" the meaning? None of us are stepping on anyone's toes here. No one is being offended. Yes. We are bi. But some like to differentiate the "level" or "type" of being bi. I know that really gets under your skin. If you can just accept that we are all different will go a long way to enjoying this place.

Have you ever heard the term, ''I think the lady doeth protest too much. ''?

 

[WilliamG]

Have you ever heard the term, ''I think the lady doeth protest too much. ''?

I moved on. Too much drama. Still trying to figure out how to hook up with a guy I met thru A4A. It's tough when neither can host!