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[deleted924715]

IMO there is a difference between supporters on either side acting inappropriately, even dangerously, of their own accord and being actively cajoled into doing so by the candidate.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

IMO there is a difference between supporters on either side acting inappropriately, even dangerously, of their own accord and being actively cajoled into doing so by the candidate.

That's the main difference that pops into my head.

Trunp ENCOURAGES his followers to act this way. Biden has not once ever egged his followers on to behave like that.

Trump absolutely does. He cheers it on. His supporters *see* and *hear* him doing so, and tolerate it because they like him.

THAT is where my "fuck them all, I don't care why they voted for him" comes in. Sure, they may be pro-gun, or anti-abortion. Does that mean they have to silently watch as their leader tells the extremists in his following to commit acts of violence and push for MORE police brutality? No. They could have supported one of the other many republican candidates in the 2016 primary who wasn't so eager to divide the country. They chose Trump, and they are sticking with that choice. For that, I do not respect them. All I see is self-interested bigots who are willing to look the other way when their leader does horrible things to other human beings.

 

[deleted924715]

That's the main difference that pops into my head.

Trunp ENCOURAGES his followers to act this way. Biden has not once ever egged his followers on to behave like that.

Trump absolutely does. He cheers it on. His supporters *see* and *hear* him doing so, and tolerate it because they like him.

THAT is where my "fuck them all, I don't care why they voted for him" comes in. Sure, they may be pro-gun, or anti-abortion. Does that mean they have to silently watch as their leader tells the extremists in his following to commit acts of violence and push for MORE police brutality? No. They could have supported one of the other many republican candidates in the 2016 primary who wasn't so eager to divide the country. They chose Trump, and they are sticking with that choice. For that, I do not respect them. All I see is self-interested bigots who are willing to look the other way when their leader does horrible things to other human beings.

Although I might never agree with the politics of the republicans I saw someone being interviewed on the news the other day who said that they were lifelong republicans, would always be republicans and would vote republican again in future, but they were voting for Biden this time to get Trump out of office. They were concerned for the country as a whole and for the division he was sowing.

While it's unlikely we would ever be on the same page politically, I can totally respect that.

 

[Enid]

That's the main difference that pops into my head.

Trunp ENCOURAGES his followers to act this way. Biden has not once ever egged his followers on to behave like that.

Trump absolutely does. He cheers it on. His supporters *see* and *hear* him doing so, and tolerate it because they like him.

THAT is where my "fuck them all, I don't care why they voted for him" comes in. Sure, they may be pro-gun, or anti-abortion. Does that mean they have to silently watch as their leader tells the extremists in his following to commit acts of violence and push for MORE police brutality? No. They could have supported one of the other many republican candidates in the 2016 primary who wasn't so eager to divide the country. They chose Trump, and they are sticking with that choice. For that, I do not respect them. All I see is self-interested bigots who are willing to look the other way when their leader does horrible things to other human beings.

Yea, I just don't see Biden supporters doing crap like this:

Armed Trump supporters attempt to storm Arizona election polls | Metro News

Or what happened to the Biden bus going between San Antonio and Austin?!

I mean I get that people have a right to their opinions, but these people are scary. Unhinged and potentially violent.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Yea, I just don't see Biden supporters doing crap like this:

Armed Trump supporters attempt to storm Arizona election polls | Metro News

Or what happened to the Biden bus going between San Antonio and Austin?!

I mean I get that people have a right to their opinions, but these people are scary. Unhinged and potentially violent.

And if Biden came out and called it "a beautiful thing" when left wing citizens/voters commit similar acts (which they just don't, the vast majority of violent/threatening actions in this election cycle are done by right wing/conservative voters) I would say fuck him and every one of his voters too.

This it NOT a both sides issue. Is just fucking not.

 

[4989451]

Must be nice to feel so secure that your life won't be affected enough by your lack of fucks to give by this election to get the fuck off your ass and do your duty as an American citizen.

Who cares that Trump has said he wants to try and go for a 3rd term and effectively end democracy as we know it in this country... Who cares he ignores the constitution constantly and calls our fallen soldiers "suckers and losers"? Who cares he brags about keeping poor people out of rich neighborhoods because who doesn't want to live in a class based system where literal peasants are a thing again?

I'm not a Biden supporter, but I still voted for him because I mean come on.. Trump is a fascist wannabe dictator. This is not North Korea. This is the fucking United States of America. We don't fuck with that bullshit here. You see that shit coming, you STOP IT.

For fucks sake educate yourself and get off your lazy ass and VOTE in the next election. Do you know how many people gave their lives so your entitled ass could do that? Jesus fucking Christ, what's wrong with people?

I gave my life to vote. I fought for your ability to do so. Regardless of your opinion. Both sides are evil, corrupt, and terrible faces for the country entirely. Yet, I also have the freedom not to choose. That's also worth fighting for. So no I'm not lazy, I'm not better than anyone else, and you are too quick to judge. That's a problem. Other people can do what they want, that's the beauty of democracy, supreme power to the people.

End of rant. Theres no need for hostility, just relax and live.

 

[deleted5791141]

Here’s a tip - if you would not ask a family member, friend or neighbor to be kind and tolerant of their abusive spouse, please do not tell folks, especially BIPOC, LGBTQ, disabled and marginalized folks, to be kind and tolerant to those actively trying to uphold the systems and individuals that oppress and enact violence against them.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I gave my life to vote. I fought for your ability to do so. Regardless of your opinion. Both sides are evil, corrupt, and terrible faces for the country entirely. Yet, I also have the freedom not to choose. That's also worth fighting for. So no I'm not lazy, I'm not better than anyone else, and you are too quick to judge. That's a problem. Other people can do what they want, that's the beauty of democracy, supreme power to the people.

End of rant. Theres no need for hostility, just relax and live.

You're still alive, you did not give your life the way I'm talking about.

Thank you for your service. I still wish you'd vote.

 

[4388301]

I voted. It damn sure was not for Trump. I voted where my ethics, beliefs, policy preferences, and so on lie. I know I am... disliked, shall we say, because it was not a vote for Biden. Including vehement dislike from some users on this forum, in this thread even. Including folks I think of as acquaintances and/or friends. I think that this post I am writing right now is probably enough to lose some of those friendships. If so, that sucks, but so be it.

I voted the way I did after looking into the other serious candidates and voting for who would shape/guide the country in the way that I think is best. My conscience is clear, I did what I thought was best.

 

[Enid]

watching cbs news and oh god no not the minks!!

Denmark To Kill Up To 17 Million Minks After Discovering Mutated Coronavirus

 

[MickeyLee]

In three of four current battle ground states even 30% of the votes cast for Jo Jorgenson would have solidly handed the win to Biden.

Third Party folks are actually worse than Trump folks. Cuz they know better.

@masqued.visage how exactly does a person with no chance of holding office shape/guide a country?

Honestly, voting for the Hamburglar has the same effect.

 

[MickeyLee]

watching cbs news and oh god no not the minks!!

Denmark To Kill Up To 17 Million Minks After Discovering Mutated Coronavirus

The mink story broke my heart. So many smoll lives lost.

 

[Enid]

Very sad like

 

[MickeyLee]

I am a former ferret person. All things fuzzy and slinky get the heart strings tugged wildly. Also, the Barbara Dana Zucchini book series from my own personal wayback machine

The mutation in Covid is scary.

 

[4388301]

In three of four current battle ground states even 30% of the votes cast for Jo Jorgenson would have solidly handed the win to Biden.

Third Party folks are actually worse than Trump folks. Cuz they know better.

@masqued.visage how exactly does a person with no chance of holding office shape/guide a country?

Honestly, voting for the Hamburgler has the same effect.

I am not going to get into anything remotely resembling a heated discussion about this with anyone on here. There is a lengthy list of reasons why I would not in any way give my vote to Biden. Some of ya folk may remember who my partner is and what their ethnic background is. No vote from me for Biden, especially not with a clear conscience. 1984 crime bill and Kamala and all the horrible shit that has done for PoC and LGBT+ folk? No. I cannot do it. As for my issues with the bi-partisan system, I already have mentioned that in a different thread. This election has brought out the ugliest behavior from anyone that I have ever seen. Your politely worded "third party folks are actually worse than Trump folks" is just one tiny part and example of it.

You want me to vote, but woe betide anyone who chooses with their own brain to vote any way but how you want them to. I'm "worse" than someone who avidly supports a loathsome individual because I won't vote how you want me to. I understand why folk would vote Biden, even if I chose not to. I am tolerant and respectful of folk who did so. I certainly do not get the same treatment and tolerance.

I understand lurker choosing to leave, because I do not think this will end in anything remotely civil and is likely to taint any other interactions folks have on here.

Edit: Imma politely request folk leave me out of any additional discussion about politics on here. I will not respond further.

 

[MickeyLee]

The top 5 Covid-19 case days so far:

1. Nov. 5: 121,054
2. Nov. 4: 102,831
3. Oct. 30: 99,321
4. Nov. 3: 91,530
5. Oct. 31: 89,126

Given Trump's spelling history maybe he meant coroner when he typed corner?

 

[MickeyLee]

I am not going to get into anything remotely resembling a heated discussion about this with anyone on here. There is a lengthy list of reasons why I would not in any way give my vote to Biden. Some of ya folk may remember who my partner is and what their ethnic background is. No vote from me for Biden, especially not with a clear conscience. 1984 crime bill and Kamala and all the horrible shit that has done for PoC and LGBT+ folk? No. I cannot do it. As for my issues with the bi-partisan system, I already have mentioned that in a different thread. This election has brought out the ugliest behavior from anyone that I have ever seen. Your politely worded "third party folks are actually worse than Trump folks" is just one tiny part and example of it.

You want me to vote, but woe betide anyone who chooses with their own brain to vote any way but how you want them to. I'm "worse" than someone who avidly supports a loathsome individual because I won't vote how you want me to. I understand why folk would vote Biden, even if I chose not to. I am tolerant and respectful of folk who did so. I certainly do not get the same treatment and tolerance.

I understand lurker choosing to leave, because I do not think this will end in anything remotely civil and is likely to taint any other interactions folks have on here.

Edit: Imma politely request folk leave me out of any additional discussion about politics on here. I will not respond further.

You stepped into this discussion, I didn't see you tagged in.

I'll honor your request.

 

[g0nz0]

What happened to when the United States was actually united?

How can these deeply polarised divisions in society be healed? because surely that's more important than GOP or Dem.

Either way this turns out, lots of people will be hurt and in despair. People who do love their country and its way of life.

The heat needs to be taken out and dealt with, and American society rebuilt for the its citizens, all its citizens. In fact, for the world. It's better for all of us if you guys aren't in fighting and ignoring external threats to western democracy.

The voter turn out is huge, with large support for both sides. Yet we're seeing tremendously dangerous rhetoric. Trump suggesting fraud anywhere he isn't winning because his ego simply cannot accept reality where he's a loser... throwing shade on the integrity of the democratic process... Steve Bannon saying Fauci and FBI Director Wray should be beheaded.

Trump (partisan politics aside) thrives on the cult of personality and on throwing fuel on the fire of these divisions. That's who he is. And he has poisoned the GOP.

Why, how and when did it become what the Republican party is? what happened to the Constitutional Conservatives of the ilk of John McCain? selfless decent people with a different ideology, not self obsessed indecent people without a moral compass, striving to win at all costs?

Democrats need to get off some of their high horses and work through how repulsive Trump is to connect to rural areas and reach the average worker.

Both sides need to take a good hard look at themselves and figure out why they don't appeal to half of society. Both sides need to do so much better. Need to be so much better. So much more relevant.

And America can do so much better than the cult of personality in the White House.This is like a reality tv show gone wrong - the greatest shitshow on the planet, utter car crash tv that we cannot look away from.

 

[Juiceypeen]

What happened to when the United States was actually united?

How can these deeply polarised divisions in society be healed? because surely that's more important than GOP or Dem.

Either way this turns out, lots of people will be hurt and in despair. People who do love their country and its way of life.

The heat needs to be taken out and dealt with, and American society rebuilt for the its citizens, all its citizens. In fact, for the world. It's better for all of us if you guys aren't in fighting and ignoring external threats to western democracy.

The voter turn out is huge, with large support for both sides. Yet we're seeing tremendously dangerous rhetoric. Trump suggesting fraud anywhere he isn't winning because his ego simply cannot accept reality where he's a loser... throwing shade on the integrity of the democratic process... Steve Bannon saying Fauci and FBI Director Wray should be beheaded.

Trump (partisan politics aside) thrives on the cult of personality and on throwing fuel on the fire of these divisions. That's who he is. And he has poisoned the GOP.

Why, how and when did it become what the Republican party is? what happened to the Constitutional Conservatives of the ilk of John McCain? selfless decent people with a different ideology, not self obsessed indecent people without a moral compass, striving to win at all costs?

Democrats need to get off some of their high horses and work through how repulsive Trump is to connect to rural areas and reach the average worker.

Both sides need to take a good hard look at themselves and figure out why they don't appeal to half of society. Both sides need to do so much better. Need to be so much better. So much more relevant.

And America can do so much better than the cult of personality in the White House.This is like a reality tv show gone wrong - the greatest shitshow on the planet, utter car crash tv that we cannot look away from.

Most of your points here contradict. You say trump is bad. That conservatives aren't upholding any standard. Then say that somehow him being that and conservatives not holding his feet to the fire is somehow democrat's fault. That should reach out to the people who for the last couple of years hated their guts illogically.

Both sides aren't polarized. Only one side talked about cutting people's heads off. Only one side talked about throwing away votes. So how are democrats responsible for any of that?

 

[g0nz0]

Most of your points here contradict. You say trump is bad. That conservatives aren't upholding any standard. Then say that somehow him being that and conservatives not holding his feet to the fire is somehow democrat's fault. That should reach out to the people who for the last couple of years hated their guts illogically.

Both sides aren't polarized. Only one side talked about cutting people's heads off. Only one side talked about throwing away votes. So how are democrats responsible for any of that?

You missed the point entirely, therby illustrating my point.

I agree completely that Trump is a repulsive individual. What I am saying is that Democrats can't let this anger against Trump to blind them from the fact that they are not reaching and resonating with almost 50% of the population.

Why? because bringing the country together is the only rational way forward. They need to get to understand the perspectives of - not Trump's base, but - those more moderate conservatives that they don't reach.

The GOP need to do this too. A lot of soul searching needed for both sides...

Biden at least gets this. I just don't know if he has anywhere near the political capital, capabilites and charisma to pull it off. By comparison, it is very obvious Trump does not.