BBC 3 I Kissed a Boy!

[Anime2]

Okay well can we throw around transphobia, because that's what this thread has become rife with. The biological absolutism here is a little bit astounding to me, are you only attracted to genitals? Because a person is as much about how they see and define themselves, and so trans men are men. Would you be okay with them including trans women? Since, biologically, they're men to you. Or would you prefer they were just shunted off to their own show?

If you find it "triggering" to be told that the way you're treating trans people is reducing them to nothing but their body parts, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think anyone in this thread has ever said that one has to find a trans man attractive. But the wholesale "how dare they include a trans person" - because this whole show is about celebrating the vibrancy of the queer community (which, I'll give you the casting is monotonous! It could be a much wider range!), and queer love includes trans people - is galling.

This might come off mean but why cant gay men express this fact. Funny how trans women get told on a daily basis that they are men and cant be in womens spaces and stop forcing st8 men to like them. Laws are literally being change against trans women to "protect" women. While trans men are being left alone which is fine and a good thing.

But when a gay man say he likes men and not trans men now its transphobia. Sorry miss me with that especially when I've seen plenty of gay men who have supported the narrative that transwomen are a "danger" to women.

 

[Anime2]

Can we just agree the new series is already very disappointing? Massive downgrade from series 1, fundamentally with the casting. It’s lacking true diversity and representation of gay and bi guys (9/10 of them are virtually identical body types and camp personalities/energy) and the majority are irritating and unlikeable. The format is also unchanged (especially with 1, then 3, then 2 new entrants) except for a new impromptu/flash kiss off twist later in the series.

The trans casting/inclusion is inevitably going to provoke further backlash from some viewers. Despite what Jack D said in response to Lars’s revelations and turning in the first kiss off, you could tell he was NOT happy. No pokerface whatsoever.

Ok I'll say it because no one else will, its disappointing because none of them are conventionally attractive. Some of you will be upset and try and come up with some way to say I'm wrong but I'm not. If all these guys were hot this thread would be filled with pictures of the cast of how hot they are.

Its very clear the producers are too busy trying to be careful and to cater to peoples "feelings" instead of just casting hot gay/bi men. Which is funny because the people whos feelings would be hurt by seeing hot guys would complain about the beauty standards but will still watch themselves behind closed doors.

 

[Costumer2]

This might come off mean but why cant gay men express this fact. Funny how trans women get told on a daily basis that they are men and cant be in womens spaces and stop forcing st8 men to like them. Laws are literally being change against trans women to "protect" women. While trans men are being left alone which is fine and a good thing.

But when a gay man say he likes men and not trans men now its transphobia. Sorry miss me with that especially when I've seen plenty of gay men who have supported the narrative that transwomen are a "danger" to women.

..... so because OTHER people are even more bigoted and hateful, you're allowed to be kinda bigoted? Miss me with THAT.

Trans Women do go through a lot more hell than trans men, just because of the inherent gender dynamics in our society. Again, *no one is telling you you have to be attracted to a trans man*. But saying that they don't belong in a space with other gay men, who can, again, *make their own decisions on what THEY find attractive*, simply because you don't dig their sex organs, THAT is transphobic.

 

[Anime2]

..... so because OTHER people are even more bigoted and hateful, you're allowed to be kinda bigoted? Miss me with THAT.

Trans Women do go through a lot more hell than trans men, just because of the inherent gender dynamics in our society. Again, *no one is telling you you have to be attracted to a trans man*. But saying that they don't belong in a space with other gay men, who can, again, *make their own decisions on what THEY find attractive*, simply because you don't dig their sex organs, THAT is transphobic.

Not at all personally I think everyone should be left alone to live their lives. And more importantly everyone should mind their own business.

However i live in reality I'm seeing the double standarded and hypocrisy of it all. If society is only targeting trans women then why can't both straight and gay men have their own spaces. Dont get me wrong I hear you when you say just because inde side is bigoted doesn't mean the other side should be. However society isn't policing the side that's constantly on trans womens back.

Big JK Rowling influenced the government to change the laws to "protect" women. So if the gays and str8 men for that matter want their own space why not. Seems to me it's only men that are being told how to behave whether it be gay, bi, str8 or trans women.

 

[writerc]

Not at all personally I think everyone should be left alone to live their lives. And more importantly everyone should mind their own business.

However i live in reality I'm seeing the double standarded and hypocrisy of it all. If society is only targeting trans women then why can't both straight and gay men have their own spaces. Dont get me wrong I hear you when you say just because inde side is bigoted doesn't mean the other side should be. However society isn't policing the side that's constantly on trans womens back.

Big JK Rowling influenced the government to change the laws to "protect" women. So if the gays and str8 men for that matter want their own space why not. Seems to me it's only men that are being told how to behave whether it be gay, bi, str8 or trans women.

Be careful of your back with that reach.

 

[kubiot]

Honestly, the lesbians are so so so so so much better, all I kissed a boy 2 is is a pit stop before I kissed a girl 2.

They were more entertaining, less fake, more varied personality-wise, and even as a gay man I can say they just cast more attractive people.

So we just need to either push through it, or skip it, so that we can get to the show that's actually worth anything.

 

[kubiot]

Honestly, the lesbians are so so so so so much better, all I kissed a boy 2 is is a pit stop before I kissed a girl 2.

They were more entertaining, less fake, more varied personality-wise, and even as a gay man I can say they just cast more attractive people.

So we just need to either push through it, or skip it, so that we can get to the show that's actually worth anything.

And most importantly, I actually believed the girls were there to find love, as opposed to just wanting to become reality TV stars, like the guys of both season 1 and 2

 

[Anime2]

Be careful of your back with that reach.

How I'm I reaching I'm very much open to correction if I'm wrong.

 

[Jtopliy]

If you could see the hottest guy ever, but then reject them because they're trans, that is a prejudice, whether you like it or not.

You can of course have those preferences, nobody is forcing you to date anyone you don't want to, but the prejudice exists. You are not accepting of them as the people they are, regardless of looks and personality.

 

[138764306hg]

If you could see the hottest guy ever, but then reject them because they're trans, that is a prejudice, whether you like it or not.

You can of course have those preferences, nobody is forcing you to date anyone you don't want to, but the prejudice exists. You are not accepting of them as the people they are, regardless of looks and personality.

But it comes down to what your beliefs are, do u think sex is what your bodies biology is or do you think it is changed through medical procedures. It's not transphobic to think that sex is biological. Unfortunately for alot of gay men, not saying all, but it will come to what is between their legs. Sorry to put it like that, but lets live in the real world.

 

[Anime2]

If you could see the hottest guy ever, but then reject them because they're trans, that is a prejudice, whether you like it or not.

You can of course have those preferences, nobody is forcing you to date anyone you don't want to, but the prejudice exists. You are not accepting of them as the people they are, regardless of looks and personality.

I disagree theres nothing wrong with men wanting to be with a man that was born a man. It shouldn't be by force, the thing is there are people who are into trans women/men I'm big believer in go where you're wanted.

But with that being said you can have your preferences but be respectful no need to treat people badly.

 

[FightTit]

If you could see the hottest guy ever, but then reject them because they're trans, that is a prejudice, whether you like it or not.

You can of course have those preferences, nobody is forcing you to date anyone you don't want to, but the prejudice exists. You are not accepting of them as the people they are, regardless of looks and personality.

Sorry, but this is a bit stupid lol.

Due to the intricacies involved in being a transman, it's a bit daft to label non-attraction to a trans man as prejudice.

As basic, shallow and surface level as it might seem, it is 100% fine for your attraction to include genitals. In majority of cases a man who likes men might also like the man he likes to have a dick. Is it shallow? Maybe. Prejudiced? Unless it is expressed in a harmful or bigoted way, it most certainly is not.

For transwomen it is probably a bit different as there's almost no discernable difference between a transwoman who's had bottom surgery and a ciswoman, but it's not like for like with transmen.

 

[Joef]

I am on board with trans men living, being treated and called men. Though to me if they're with a man, they aren't gay men, they're men that transitioned and now identity/live as gay men. Which again go for it. But it's not the same as being gay.

Being gay is two biological men having same sex attraction to each other. They didn't become it eventually, transition into it over time, or choose it over being straight, it's a natural part that can't be changed.

A trans man always has the choice to choose to identify as something else later on in life or detransition. Trans men actually have way more flexibility with how they choose to express their sexuality than us.

Gay men are gay for the rest of their lives and shouldn't ever be made to feel that there's anything wrong with saying that is different to being a trans man.

 

[molagballs]

I don’t think anyone should try and debate this kind of stuff on LPSG regardless of which side you are on. This is like discussing politics in a bath house.

 

[crankyoak890]

If you could see the hottest guy ever, but then reject them because they're trans, that is a prejudice, whether you like it or not.

You can of course have those preferences, nobody is forcing you to date anyone you don't want to, but the prejudice exists. You are not accepting of them as the people they are, regardless of looks and personality.

bro its not about not accepting people - often times they might reject a trans person is because of what it means - their genetalia is different, or their ability to reproduce (which can be taken away when you have that surgery). People are 1000% allowed to prefer what they want and be as specific as possible. and sure some people have race, culture, and even orientation behind it but in this case, its totally reasonable, because being a trans man is not the same as being a biological one. the simple orientation, history etc of your body is diff.

 

[MrHobbs]

It's not transphobic for gay men not to want to date trans men and shame on certain media outlets/gay journalists for suggesting otherwise.

 

[darthstephen]

I like dick, it’s important for my partner to have one.

 

[ukfunboi]

I like dick, it’s important for my partner to have one.

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There are beautiful, handsome, sexy, sensual, hot as hell trans men out there. Many of them turn me on. And all deserving a happy, respected life. But they miss the fundamental part of a man I lust after… a cock. Not wanting to sleep with them does not make me transphobic. Just like not wanting to sleep with a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist

 

[darthstephen]

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There are beautiful, handsome, sexy, sensual, hot as hell trans men out there. Many of them turn me on. And all deserving a happy, respected life. But they miss the fundamental part of a man I lust after… a cock. Not wanting to sleep with them does not make me transphobic. Just like not wanting to sleep with a woman doesn’t make me a misogynist

Exactly. I don’t like peas, but it doesn’t mean people who do are evil. I just don’t like peas. I like men, always have always will.

 

[Devlin1991]

This thread has descended into such dull rhetoric. People are clearly struggling to drag themselves from their limited, benighted understanding of sexuality and gender. Pull yourselves together!!