You are much too effective of a topic generator, this is a whole thread unto itself.
So we know that "BBC" is an acronym that refers to black men and is often a signifier for those that want to fetishize black men. Is the term "Ebony," a term that is used as a signifier for those that fetishize black women? I used to work in a porn shop back when porn was still rented and bought. I do recall there was a section called "Ebony" and the bulk of it was interracial porn with a black female. I am now curious to see how black women are depicted in porn and if they are playing up specific tropes the way that black male porn stars are.
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It depends on the individual. Personally, I see the fetishization of Black men and women as problematic due to its ties to slavery and thus, not able to be reconciled in any way whatsoever. That said, I am annoyed by any behaviors exercised by individuals in our community that perpetuate stereotypes because I find it socially unhelpful.
That said, I almost expect non-Blacks to fetishize us, so when it happens, I'm just sort of 'meh.' Black men, to me, will always be viewed as hypersexual, mindless, beasts whose worth is only reduced to their genitals when it comes to romantic relationships and Black women as hypersexual, "easy" and "unrapeable," sluts by non-Blacks, as messed up as that sounds. As hyperbolic as this sounds, when it comes to romantic relationships, I don't think non-Blacks even see us as humans, but walking sex toys to get their "forbidden fruit" sexual experiments out of the way.
This is also why I find it even more upsetting when members of our community lean into these tropes. You see this heavily within the hip-hop and rap community. Think of how the average Black male and female is portrayed in rap music videos. Especially the females. Now, compare how, say, White females are portrayed in rock music videos. God help me, but the most raunchy video that even comes to mind is the music video for "Cherry Pie" by Warrant.
We're portrayed two ways in the media:
1. Manipulative Jezebel sluts
2. Fat, angry, comic relief
I'm 99.9% sure "Ebony" is a porn category for Black women. I don't ever see it when it's just Black involved. But in lesbian porn, if Black women are involved, the word "Ebony" is everywhere. Any White porn studio that features Black performers will always fetishize them and lean into harmful stereotypes. There are Black amateur performers who also do this, but less so.
That said, I would never name my daughter Ebony. The name has been ruined by porn.
Again, I can't speak for straight Black women and what they think about any of what you brought up. I, no joke, only have what I've heard my elder aunties and cousins talk about when it comes to the BMWF and WMBF dynamic, and that one scene in Jungle Fever. From what I've summarized from both, Black women feel some type of unconscious "loyalty" to Black men that is not necessarily reciprocated.
I've heard that as well, and Id always found it confusing,until I realized it's very intentional for the math not to math to preserve and propagate that observation.
I have to wonder if outside forces, intent on maintaining the schism between black men and women intentionally block understanding of gendered disparity of attraction...if not why else ignore that most black men would gladly get with most black women, but most black women only exercise and express attraction for a microcosm of black men. 99% racial "loyalty" doesn't really mean squat when it encompasses less than 25% of black men.
Because let's be honest black culture is full of archetypes of the sexy black woman, but only has one real archetype of the sexy black man, and what doesn't get highlighted enough is how aligned the type of men the women in the scene are talking about are with the bbc archetype, and the black men whom fall outside of it, their racial "loyalty" is over looked or disregarded as irrelevant.
It's just a concentrated version of the "apex fallacy"
But this observation, I think is part of the problem; our community encompasses so much more beyond hip hop...but even if we want to stay there and perhaps add r and b or soul as adjacent, beyond the objectification, a trend emerges; there are many archetypes of the desirable black female as determined by black men, but really only a couple types of desirable black men as exercised by black women.
You can't really combat the effects of interracial fetishism until you reconcile intraracial desire; or rather you can't have realistic expectation that a particular demographic isn't going to exploit whatever interest is offered, if its intraracial counterpart has made it clear they only have interest in narrow swath of that population..I think a parallel would be in the Asian community wherein Asian men are often frustrated at Asian women's ease in mating and dating interacially(particularly with white men) when there is so much sexual fetishization of the Asian woman...but themselves tend to dodge accountability in the narrow idealizations they have for Asian women of a certain age or size.
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Fetishization is a non real thing. We are attracted to what we are attracted and naming our desires as something wrong or a fetish,, why??? I’m a white dude and I like other white dudes. I find very pale skin as an attractive trait. So am I fetishizing white people?? No I’m not. We like what we like and if there’s someone out there that finds black or brown skin to be super attractive, why do we need to find something wrong with it?
Fetishization is definitely a thing and you couldn't possibly understand because you are not being fetishized by people solely because of your race and perceived myths that have been placed upon you because of your race. This is not a "Love is Love" situation so don't try to make it one. You can't just dismiss the fact that some people's desires for people of other races are based on stereotypes that are actually racist. I'm never going to say that there are not people that are genuinely attracted to brown/black skin but the question is why are they attracted to it and that's where you will soon understand if it's based in racial fetishization. Not everyone fits into that category but there is a good chunk of non black people that are only into black men because they are trying to live out some BBC fantasy that they have in their head so when it becomes about that, the black man is basically an interchangeable prop only needed for the purpose of making that fantasy become a reality. You ask why we need to find something wrong with it. Well because racism is wrong and pursuing someone because you only view them as a fetish is actually predatory.
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What about people with foot fetish??? You’ll find people that want to be with someone only because they have nice feet. Are they being racist too? Or many women from Asian countries have this deep worship for white men because they are seen as richer and more powerful. Is that a form a racism too? If it is it goes both ways. I think as long as people are upfront and being honest with the other person anything is legit in love and in bed
I figured you would try to liken the fetishism of black men to something like foot fetishism. It is not the same sir. I don't understand why people like you love to try to draw similarities to someone have an appreciation for feet to only seeing someone as an object because of their skin tone and racial heritage. Asian women fetishizing white men is just as problematic as black men being fetishized by people of other races. I don't draw lines between which races can and cannot be fetishized. As far as what I see, white men tend to fetishize Asian women and many of the Asian women do not like it at all because I've dropped in on a few threads and sub-reddits where this is something that is discussed. If someone is being fetishized and they are okay with it then more power to them. I have no qualms about that because they know what they are involving themselves in. Unfortunately a lot of black men in general are usually unaware that they are only serving one purpose often times when they are engaging with men of other races. It can be hurtful to some of them to realize that they are just a fetish because that man may have intentions of being involved in something beyond a single sexual encounter.
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That’s why I said you should always be upfront and honest. People who are not are not necessarily racist. They just lack of integrity and common sense. Do you know how many guys I’ve seen being all nice to me and that seemed to care when all they only wanted was to fuck me? Unfortunately some people are just bad people. Period. Reading a form of racism behind so many things, idk, it seems a little bit extreme to me. I’m not a poc, but sometimes I feel like some people seem to go fishing for reasons to be upset. If that’s their life attitude people will always find reasons to be mad at something. I don’t think it’s a constructive way to go through life, but that’s just my opinion
You don't relate therefore you see it as another POC complaining about something that "doesn't exist." When you've dealt with it first hand enough you know what it is and you know where it stems from. You can't take everything for face value. If you delve deeper into the why and the reasons fetishism towards black men is racist then you would understand but again you are not black and therefore I wouldn't expect you to really get it. It's one of those situations where you have to actually be a black male to know. Furthermore, you have to be inquisitive in wanting to know why black men are so lusted after. When I say it's racist, what I mean is that its rooted in racist beliefs of the past etc. There is a history behind all of these claims that give validity to why black men being fetishized is racist but of course most people don't try to think that deep into it. If you are seriously interested in understanding the "why" of it all then feel free to message me and I'll go into detail but I'd rather not dedicate too much time explaining it on this thread when I've spoken on it in the past in detail. At the end of the day it's not about black men complaining about just anything to be complaining. It's about black men voicing their views on being othered when all anybody, black or other, just wanted to treated like any other normal human being. I've said this before and I'll continue to say it, superhumanization (fetishism) is just as bad as subhumanization. They are both extremes on opposite ends but both are cringe because any person that is experiencing either will know that they are being treated "differently."