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I was going to post before the Internet, but the Internet has been around longer than the WWW. I really hope there are men still "around" before the web , to exchange stories!
I know for the average man into gay sex, before the web, there was such a level of desperation, that does not exist today!
 

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I don't think it was desperation. It was excitement using a new medium for meeting people or hooking up. I know this sounds snobbish, but I don't mean it that way. In the early 90's, not everyone owned a computer. Those that did seemed tended to be a little more educated, and more thoughtful in what they said and the way they acted. Many of the people I met online back then have become lifelong friends in my real life. Today almost everyone has internet access, and I think that's great. However, I'm sure you've all started a conversation with someone and you quickly realize the fact that they have a cock isn't enough to make you want to meet them, let alone wonder how they can walk and breathe at the same time.

Bulletin Boards and fido-net were primitive ways to connect for a hookup. It was great for me because I didn't want to drive 40 miles for the nearest gay bar, and frankly the men there were intimidating to me at the time. Then IRC became available, then Yahoo and AOL instant messenger, then hookup web sites with chat rooms, and now we have mobile apps. I find the guys on grindr and scruff to come across as desperate sometimes. A lot of times there is no "Hello" as an introduction, instead it's a picture of a gaping hole. UGH
 
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My first gay experiences were roughly ten years pre web.

I went to bars. Met people.

Had sex. Occasionally in or near the bars and pubs. Occasionally driving.

It was just as much fun as now, even though it’s easier and more convenient now.

I think the leather culture made slightly more sense when people were in bars. Maybe riding motorcycles.

Of course, I am talking about when it was all legal and open. Before that, of course it was more difficult...

I’m seeing two guys for sex this seek, both arranged online. One I’ve been seeing occasionally a long time. One is new.

I think the main difference is that some of the guesswork is removed. We can know what people are into, before we go much further ...

It still has the essential magic though ....

:)
 

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So I gather you are looking for "Stories of Gay Life in the pre-SmartPhone Mid to Late 20th Century"?

"Before the Web", there were these things called "bars" - they seem to be vanishing these days. But you'd go to one and meet friends, perhaps new friends, and socialize face to face. You'd even have a chance to meet up and then go to social gatherings or parties at people's houses. There were also baths and parks for "just the sex", and social groups such as bowling (the Judy Garland Memorial Bowling League comes to mind) or baseball, hiking, gay men's choir, even cooking etc. that were all for gay men (women had their own versions of all these too, except the baths).

But you actually had to interact in person. Well, aside from want ads in the newspapers. That was your 70's. 80's and early 90's "Grindr". You'd still have to meet up somewhere and chat, usually, since there was no photo exchange possible this way. And you couldn't really know how honest the other guy was in his ad or reply. Could be an undercover cop (they did that sort of thing a lot back then) mailing you. Or it could be a nice gay guy you could get it on with. Or just a guy you had nothing much in common with.

"Swiping left" (or right) was a very, very long process. So you weren't as quick to dismiss someone because they didn't quite fit the fantasy man mould you had set up. You actually got to meet and know guys who weren't 10's and, even if there was no sex spark, there could, perhaps, be a social connection made.

You pretty much had to go to the nearby Big City for these things; smaller places wouldn't have the "out" community to support such in a suburban locale or smaller towns. But this also got all sorts of gay people together either as visitors to the cities or becoming residents by moving there. This created gay neighbourhoods which led to more political activism and stronger alliance between LGBT folks that wouldn't have happened if everyone stayed in their small rural towns or suburbs.

That's not to say there was no small town activity available but it was a fair bit more difficult to connect with other gay guys in a smaller area. But it happened. And once you connected to one guy, you could now connect to their other gay connections (and they to yours), and pretty soon there'd be a small clutch of semi-secret gay guys forming a mini-community. Even if the numbers were small, you could still find someone to play with.

If you could get your butt to a larger place and meet other gay guys, there's a good chance you'd do the trip somewhat regularly. That's what I did; even though I was still living out in the burbs and going to college, I made it to Toronto regularly, got involved in gay politics, worked at The Body Politic (c 1974?), a gay newsmagazine, made lots of out gay friends, all well before I eventually moved there in '79 with the BF. But even before making the move, the BF and a few gay friends (and our fag hags) would regularly all trek down from the depths of the 'burbs to the city on Fridays or Saturdays for fun, dancing and socializing.

Since none of us had a car at that point, it meant relying on train service and that you'd either have to catch the last one back at 12:30 (which cut into late night activity!) or spend the night going to bars then clubs and then hanging out until you could catch the first train back out at 6 a.m..

Sex was never a problem though. Bars were definitely the centre for that sort of activity but there were still other venues for getting it, even though many overlapped with a social aspect, like the Out & Out Club (nature walks, sports, etc group) if you wanted more than just getting your rocks off.
 
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places for guys to cruise and meet guys for social good times or sex. Steam and sauna's worked well, some better than others, and swimming baths. Picture palaces, or gropers, get tossed off while watching The Nuns Story" or maybe take the guy home.
Parks and cottages, some good by day others just night time cruising areas.
Word of mouth spread the newest place, the place to avid and news of police raids.
Not to mention that quick look of recognition on the street, the shops or on public transport.
Somehow it all worked, not so much pressure and not so much lying either. The big even was the disco era, you went, you drank, you danced and picked up, once home it was a voyage of discovery.
 
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Growing up in the late 70's in a rural area, I had no idea how to find men. When I was a bit older, I move to a smaller college town. The town had a bookstore/ movie arcade. I went there a couple of times,deathly afraid of being seen. I would choose the booths that played gay porn. Once I had a guy stand close to me in the lobby area looking at the movies being played. He got closer and with his hip just ahead on mine, he hooked his thumb in his belt loop and used his fingers to caress my crotch. I nodded my head and we both want to a booth for a good grope! I got hard and wet immediately. Neither one of us wanted to do anything there. I took him back to my apartment and we 69ed each other. That was my first blow job. I don't know if he wasn't into being sucked but he had a very small cock and it was hard to get him excited.
 
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In response to the OP, I would observe there seems to be quite a lot of desperation nowadays online with people spending hours and hours either edging or searching for the perfect sex partner through multiple apps and websites but never being satisfied
 

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In response to the OP, I would observe there seems to be quite a lot of desperation nowadays online with people spending hours and hours either edging or searching for the perfect sex partner through multiple apps and websites but never being satisfied
In response to the OP, I would observe there seems to be quite a lot of desperation nowadays online with people spending hours and hours either edging or searching for the perfect sex partner through multiple apps and websites but never being satisfied
Quite right. Over the years I've hooked up with probably three guys, one was a young guy who wanted a daddy, the next a guy to give him the fucking he wasn't getting from his partner and the third turned out to be a hung married guy. All successful to a point, the guy who wanted a daddy also wanted chastisement before fucking as a punishment, the guy with a partner expected me to be available when he wanted and the married guy with the big cock and wife only wanted to get naked and jack off.
So back to the good old tried and workable cruising pattern, saves time, worry and getting a sore cock edging into the night alone - again. Guys, out there its full of perfection, trouble is its the guys who are perfect who cant find anything more perfect than themselves and who wont settle for anything less are the ones at home playing with their cocks!
 
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Does anyone else remember the Bob Damron guides? http://damron.com/about-us

Early on they mainly just listed the places to go (like bars) and places not to go (where the cops were). The first one I say was printed in the middle 70s.

Naturally the first thing I did was to check my local area to see where the action was. I wasn’t looking for a place to visit, but just wanted to know where it was so I could check out other people who went there.

Coming to grips that there were other gays in the world was still new back then. In 1978 when I visited a club (Austin Country) with 3 dance floors and 2k gays in attendance, I came to understand how big the population was. That was back when most everyone danced with their shirt off and numerous blowjobs were on display in the second floor quite bar. Gay behavior was all very uncivilized back then.
To the contrary, it was very liberated, and just before the big bang. These big clubs cashed in on the pink dollar, had faculties' for all sorts of extra little activates and in dark recesses fucking took place a well as blow jobs, very healthy, and often anonymous.
It was the realisation, as you say, there was a world out there and not just confided you lads out for getting tossed off by older guys ion really furtive locations - and they gace the confidence to find and express your identity.
 

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My first gay experiences were roughly ten years pre web.

I went to bars. Met people.

Had sex. Occasionally in or near the bars and pubs. Occasionally driving.

It was just as much fun as now, even though it’s easier and more convenient now.

I think the leather culture made slightly more sense when people were in bars. Maybe riding motorcycles.

Of course, I am talking about when it was all legal and open. Before that, of course it was more difficult...

I’m seeing two guys for sex this seek, both arranged online. One I’ve been seeing occasionally a long time. One is new.

I think the main difference is that some of the guesswork is removed. We can know what people are into, before we go much further ...

It still has the essential magic though ....

:)

Exbiker, I have to agree with you, before the web, I went to bars, clubs, and the occasional cruising the parks. Believe it or not, duriing church conventions, you'd be surprised what you could and still can pick up.