Bomb Plots foiled

[jeremyA]

Like i said before if any halfwitted arab tries to blow me up because he thinks that I hate arabs I can assure him that i hate jews who try to blow me up as much as arabs who try to blow me up.And if I do get blown up i will be deeply annoyed and I will see to it that no arab shit head gets to play with any virgins in paradise.
Bunch of moron tossers the lot of em.
the same goes for any shit head white supremasist scum,cuban exiles or cia agents who want to cover up what ever they want to cover up this time.

 

[faceking]

The last thing we need right now, in my opinion, is a fascist state.

where?here?

Stronzo (and by the way welcome back), you be at the gate inside of 10 minutes. McCarthy'ism is dead... the feds could care less about gay New Englanders. The worst you'll do is protest at the Judy Garland festival and hold up a half-block of traffic on Charles St.

Sorry for the reality check,.. but the FBI aint' looking at this board, other than checking for kiddie porn. We are ions from any facist state... we dont' pay enough taxes to fund a facist state... we're too busy making sure our taxes go to the Federal Felt Manufacturer's Board Pension Plan is well funded.

 

[faceking]

the simpliest of equations (and it's more satire than reality) is .. if your name has a Q or Z in it... you get flagged.... sorry Quincy or Zachary.... life's a bitch.

 

[madame_zora]

Being of discernably middle eastern decent, this will probably affect me more than most, but here's my take- common sense should prevail.

I am not opposed to the idea that I will likely be drawn out of the crown for "random" search, but jeez, do we really need to humiliate brown people and break their things? I had a pair of high heels BROKEN to see if I was hiding anything in them- we how could I get to it if I had to break them to get the goods? It was the only pair of expensive shoes I'd ever bought, it really bothered me that I wasn't allowed to have nice things just because of my race. I had individual tampons opened and examined, it was really embarassing. Of course, this was in Texas in 2003, so I'm not surprised, just frustrated. I willfully go along with searches and never give anyone any reason to mistrust me, I'm not really sure what a fair and equitable solution would be.

White men between the ages of 25 and 40 from middle class families are by a landslide the profile of serial killers. Should we then violate the rights of every white male in that age range because thirty of fourty will do this crime in their lifetimes? Of course not, it's just so much easier to accept profiling when you know it's not YOUR group being targeted.

I would certainly be more interested in looking at the travelling habits of non-citizens though, that should give some fairly decent results. Still, airport security should be educated in methods of searching their clients while maintaining their dignity, that doesn't take extra time, just human decency.

 

[madame_zora]

Like i said before if any halfwitted arab tries to blow me up because he thinks that I hate arabs I can assure him that i hate jews who try to blow me up as much as arabs who try to blow me up.And if I do get blown up i will be deeply annoyed and I will see to it that no arab shit head gets to play with any virgins in paradise.
Bunch of moron tossers the lot of em.
the same goes for any shit head white supremasist scum,cuban exiles or cia agents who want to cover up what ever they want to cover up this time.

werd.:biggrin1:

 

[JustAsking]

Why the fuck does this keep happening. What will killing innocent people, on a plane prove?

Part of the answer is that it creates fear. Like the feeling that you aren't safe anywhere. But that doesn't explain why they are doing it, does it? That's funny. I never really thought about that fact that we don't talk much in this country about what their demands are. Have any been articulated? Or is it just incoherent anger at the West?

 

[jeff black]

Part of the answer is that it creates fear. Like the feeling that you aren't safe anywhere. But that doesn't explain why they are doing it, does it? That's funny. I never really thought about that fact that we don't talk much in this country about what their demands are. Have any been articulated? Or is it just incoherent anger at the West?

See, that is my thoughts exactly. IF they have some sort of demands, what are they? Do they just want to show that they are big men, and capable of attacking the US? I really dont' understand it....

but at the same time, I sure dont' get the war as a whole.:tongue:

 

[jeremyA]

Its hardly that they have completely unreasonable reasons for attacking the US and supposed US allies, they have some very deeply held political and religious reasons why they hate americans, and to be honest america doesnt do itself any favores by refusing to understand that arabs and jews and africans and south americans and just about anybody else have a lot of reasons to be upset about american foreign policy.whats winds most people up in the real world is when americans go round saying things like 'what did we do,why does everyone hate us?'
I know america is deeply isolationist but these people have some veryeasy to understand greivances.
I am not saying that people who resort to killing people for their own ends are not a bunch of cowardly shit head shrivel dicked morons.

 

[jeremyA]

Its quite easy to find out why most of the rest of the world would like america to simply fuck right off,but americans seem completely unaware of the effects that thier completely soulless instant gratification,eat enough for 37 people a day lifestyles have on people in the real world.

 

[faceking]

Its quite easy to find out why most of the rest of the world would like america to simply fuck right off,but americans seem completely unaware of the effects that thier completely soulless instant gratification,eat enough for 37 people a day lifestyles have on people in the real world.

first I'm curious where you stand on Blair... before you criticize the US.

I'm curious ... since you are younger... and throw that out... what caused that anger... is it George W Bush and Condy Rice (a stong black woman... take that libbies... where was that in Clinton's cabinet, and why are you silent on lauding her?) ??? Sounds liek you are bit more advanced in terms of long-term outlook... the lefties here go right to Bush... and fail to realize the disaster Jimmy Carter laid down.... they love to point out support for Saddam , but fail to recognize the support for Sadat (as close to a facist islamo, with the military deployment).


Don't answer... 9/11 ... if there was this pent up anger... it was 8 years of policy of Bill Clinton. So you have to ask yourself... so what did we do, when we were all concerned with 350% returns on dot.com IPOs... and a few bombs in Southeastern Europe (you kinda ignored that one....didn't ya... hippacrites (hypocrites for the critical folk). There's this grand notion that Bush (and guilt-by-association the GOP) have angered the Islamo-facists (I'd said it, and will say it over and over). So what inspired the USS Cole, WTC I, 9/11, Kenya, Tanzania, TWA, ... ad naseum.

 

[keeks]

I would certainly be more interested in looking at the travelling habits of non-citizens though, that should give some fairly decent results. Still, airport security should be educated in methods of searching their clients while maintaining their dignity, that doesn't take extra time, just human decency.

Madame... I sympathize with your plight, and understand your distress at the loss of a nice pair of shoes, but can't agree with your overall argument. Several times during the last couple of years I have been pulled aside for random searches because of my habit of buying one-way tickets and also for traveling with a companion who has medical metal implants. Being singled out is certainly annoying and frustrating and time consuming, but I consider it a small inconvenience to hopefully have a safer flight.

Secondly, the idea that we only have to worry about non-citizens is out-dated and dangerous. Most of the suicide bombers in the London subway attacks as well as the plotters in this most recent plot appear to be British citizens. Looking at non-citizens more closely would have been pointless. Looking at brown skinned muslims of any nationality would have been much more productive.

I am under no illusion that looking at "dark foriegners" is a simple solution to a complex problem, nor is such a policy w/o risk, but it seems so commonsensical that such profiling should be part of a larger strategy. If a serial killer were known to be operating in the area where I live, I would have no problem with the 'authorities' stopping and questioning white males of a certain age and letting black women over 60 pass through unmolested. It would seem to be the only reasonable way of handling the situation.

 

[madame_zora]

Madame... I sympathize with your plight, and understand your distress at the loss of a nice pair of shoes, but can't agree with your overall argument. Several times during the last couple of years I have been pulled aside for random searches because of my habit of buying one-way tickets and also for traveling with a companion who has medical metal implants. Being singled out is certainly annoying and frustrating and time consuming, but I consider it a small inconvenience to hopefully have a safer flight.

Right, which is why I said :

I am not opposed to the idea that I will likely be drawn out of the crowd for "random" search, but jeez, do we really need to humiliate brown people and break their things?

Secondly, the idea that we only have to worry about non-citizens is out-dated and dangerous. Most of the suicide bombers in the London subway attacks as well as the plotters in this most recent plot appear to be British citizens. Looking at non-citizens more closely would have been pointless. Looking at brown skinned muslims of any nationality would have been much more productive.

No argument there, but here I think most of the terrorists were not citizens. I might be wrong about that, but it was my assumption.

I am under no illusion that looking at "dark foriegners" is a simple solution to a complex problem, nor is such a policy w/o risk, but it seems so commonsensical that such profiling should be part of a larger strategy. If a serial killer were known to be operating in the area where I live, I would have no problem with the 'authorities' stopping and questioning white males of a certain age and letting black women over 60 pass through unmolested. It would seem to be the only reasonable way of handling the situation.

While I appreciate your candor, and I share your feeling, I doubt it would happen without no small number of white men excaiming that their rights have been violated, do you agree? As I said, I don't mind being singled out so much as I mind being treated with disgust. Oh, and black people just have to be delighted not to be the sole targets any longer, and I don't blame them one bit.

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[keeks]

Its quite easy to find out why most of the rest of the world would like america to simply fuck right off,but americans seem completely unaware of the effects that thier completely soulless instant gratification,eat enough for 37 people a day lifestyles have on people in the real world.

I'm not sure what your point is Jeremy. Because Americans are rich and self absorbed, we deserve whatever we get? And maybe if we were less rich, fun-loving, successful, secular, and open-minded, the Islamic extremists around the world would be just as happy to let us exist in peace? They would have no problem with a non-muslim, secularist society such as ours where people of any religion, muslims included, have complete freedom to worship as they choose?

I don't deny America has its problems, but we are largely hated because of our success. And that success comes from selfish capitalism, which puts personal happiness above religion, and that the religious extremists cannot abide. To blame America for the actions of the terrorists is ridiculous, like saying the girl who was raped was at fault because her skirt was too short. I will gladly enter into debate as to how America can be less provocative in the future so as to avoid future problems, but put the present blame where it squarely belongs... on the terrorists!

 

[madame_zora]

As to why the Arab nations are angry at us, their leaders are probably angry because of our foreign policies that exploit their nations and keep them poor, but much like our own government, they recognise the value of inciting religious fervor amoung their people to justify taking action. I don't think our hands are clean of misdeeds here, we don't get to know a lot about the inner workings of our government abroad, it isn't "feel good" reading.

The actions of terrorists are known and recognisable eventualities that both sides have enough information to predict and know will occur given the right circumstances. That we foolishly continue to do the same things expecting different results is what surprises me.

 

[faceking]

quote=keeks]

I don't deny America has its problems, but we are largely hated because of our success. And that success comes from selfish capitalism, which puts personal happiness above religion, and that the religious extremists cannot abide. [/quote]

And damned us when we try to help other countries be "capitalistically" successful as well, yeah there's something in it for us... but at this point we'll be fine economically if Iraq, Samoa, or France succeeds or fails. Jesus Christ (whoooooooooops I mean agnostic diety here) .., California could stand on it's own as the 5th largest GDP (GO GOLDEN BEAR!!!!) ... Odd how we leave the UK, Japan, France, Brazil, Australia, Canada, South Africa (for the most part), India and so on and so on alone. Yet Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Serbia, South Korea, are given a rough time. ...comparatively speaking.

Condemned for f'ing with world affairs, but other than a host of volcanic islands in the middle of the Pacific.... can't recall what countries we've taken over, and abosorbed into the union since the US became a superpower or any power for that matter (circa early 20th century). Would you say there is zero possiblity of interest in helping other nations (and by help I don't mean the liberal tactic of throwing money at a solution vs hard reality)?

 

[keeks]

While I appreciate your candor, and I share your feeling, I doubt it would happen without no small number of white men excaiming that their rights have been violated, do you agree? As I said, I don't mind being singled out so much as I mind being treated with disgust. Oh, and black people just have to be delighted not to be the sole targets any longer, and I don't blame them one bit.

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I agree wholeheartedly, but because some white men might find this sudden targeting distasteful, would be no reason to not use this method. They would just have to deal with it as so many groups have had to deal in the past.

My argument is purely logical as opposed to political. If 90% of purse snatchers turned out to be born on Wednesdays, and there was a sudden rash of purse snatching going on in 'Mayberry', the Mayberry police would be completely irresponsible to not check the birth records of every citizen to see who was born on a Wednesday. Then all the Wednesday-born should be questioned. Profiling?... you bet your ass. Prejudicial? ... I sure hope so! Of course other evidence should be looked at in case this was one of the 10% of cases where someone born on another day of the week was responsible, but why not start with the obvious?

 

[b.c.]

Some interesting questions and valid points have been made here. The thing is, for whatever reasons terrorists think they're actions are justified, it's usually misdirected anger, imo. Employees in a high rise, passengers on an airliner, are not power brokers, movers of domestic and international policy. They're mostly just everyday "Joe's" like us, caught up in "the maze" but easy targets for those cowardly enough to perpetrate such an act.

What the assholes don't seem to realize is that actions such as theirs only serve to legitimize the very domestic and foreign policies they (presumably) seek to undermine. They bolster the conservative agenda. Now defenders of such policies can say, "See why we need profiling?" "See why we need to bomb ____?" "See why we need to monitor (this or that)?"

Morons indeed.


("Would everyone quietly stand up now and take a step to the right? Thank you.")

 

[keeks]

As to why the Arab nations are angry at us, their leaders are probably angry because of our foreign policies that exploit their nations and keep them poor, but much like our own government, they recognise the value of inciting religious fervor amoung their people to justify taking action. I don't think our hands are clean of misdeeds here, we don't get to know a lot about the inner workings of our government abroad, it isn't "feel good" reading.

The actions of terrorists are known and recognizable eventualities that both sides have enough information to predict and know will occur given the right circumstances. That we foolishly continue to do the same things expecting different results is what surprises me.

Madame, you have some valid points. We work closely with other despotic, totalitarian gov'ts such as those in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. And we need to really look at the long term efficacy as well as morality in continuing to prop up those gov'ts. That may be where a long term solution to this clash of civilizations may be found. But in the short term, I think racial, religious, and national profiling should be considered a valid and valuable tool in combating terrorism.

 

[b.c.]

... is it George W Bush and Condy Rice (a stong black woman... take that libbies... where was that in Clinton's cabinet, and why are you silent on lauding her?) ???

Who we choose to "laud" or choose not to will have nothing to do with the colour of their skin and everything to do with their actions.

And if you want further clarification on that, go ask Clarence.

 

[faceking]

because of our foreign policies that exploit their nations and keep them poor, but much like our own government,

. I don't think our hands are clean of misdeeds here, we don't get to know a lot about the inner workings of our government abroad, it isn't "feel good" reading.

It's very very very very easy to play ball... is it our policies that keep Paragauy poor? or Madagascar? how about Mexico (right next door) or Ecuador... eh Sierra Leone.. or the bevy of Western (NOOOOOOOOOOOOON-MUSLIM nations) African nations.

Zora, Zora, Zora, Zora....do you really think this is about economics, and our lack of welfare.... should we throw billions of "aid" into corrupt governments, all to just get shit on again???

I'm not trying to chastise you or others, but many miss the point....

This all ties to Israel...

In all seriousness.. I assume/hope you have read one of the most important documents going forward.. in Osama Bin Laden's note about 9/11 (before folk go on their GWB rants) as to why it happened...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

Even if you've read this months or years ago, please re-read again, so as to realize the long-term struggle the US is up against... you live in a superpower, this is what happens... if you have issue move to an insignificant country (and it's not a "US... take it or leave it bravado"). this happens often and everywhere, and you'll note the policy that Bin Laden is across party lines as well as nations (UK, other European nations, etc...). notice how much time he spends on policy on israel.. and continues to (sans when CBS, NBC, NPR, ABC insert liberal mainstream network/newspaper here deletes out).

so assuming you've read it....

The American death tool of 9/11 still exceeds that of the Iraq War (very few casualties) then the Iraq occupation/rebulilding (the bulk of casualites). That's three years vs three hours (do you subtlely get why we are there now?). Human/psycological/economic impact of attacks abroad vs on home soil????!!!!!

How did today go vs [insert random roadside bomb attack here].. and noone died today either... ;-) (gotcha)


Anyways, it's about American-Jewish interests - see political pressure of NYU, NY Times, Goldman Sachs, LA Times, CBS, NPR, BU, Yale, it goes on.

What is the Democrats solution for supporting Israel?

You goddamn know well that Hillary, Boxer, Pelosi, Kennedy, Lieberman, Dean (scratch that.... Dean has the where-with-all of Michael Jackson), Reid, Durban have ZERO actionable plan for Israel.

If you hear anything about peace and compromise and "getting along"... then it's like promoting the fry cook of fries and onion rings to be the CEO of Burger King. They don't get the business of this region, and are just posturizing with short-term solutions (see Carter Camp David accords, and Clinton "agreements" inbetween blow jobs from BBW interns).

And why does the American media ownership miraculous refuse to address this? I'm not anti-semetic... but the state of Israel is what this all over.. and US support thereof. Can you not deny that Bin Laden spent the bulk of his blathering on Palestine/Israel/support thereof.

Sometimes I think, just let the US spent 90 billion to relocate the X Jewish citizens to the US and Europe, and be done with it. Let the loonies who still live in the 9th century blow-up Israel and use it for overflow parking for Syria.

And by the way, it amazing the absence of "women's rights" thread on LPSG for females of the middle east. Christianity be damned for what it's done to gays, but the koran, the treatment of women (and especially gays) must be respected..


Fucking hypocrites, most of you.