Christian Porn?

[Phil Ayesho]

Christian Porn, especially catholic porn, unfortunately includes a lot of pedophilia...

 

[D_Amyntas Lillydong]

Very creative.

 

[dickman45885]

We were told in religious ed classes, taught by laymen when we were in high shool, masturbation a big no no.

I was extrapolating masturbation worse then adultery.

This is something some of my Catholic friends and I have joked about.....and really do wonder about the theological underpinnings as to which is worse.

Both are, in the eyes of God, sins. Catholics delineate between venial and mortal sin.....the difference being severity of the sin. Some sin is inherently worse then other....it is a matter of degree, if that makes any sense. Some religions do not see the difference between venial and mortal sin.

I do not want to get into some religious/theological discussion as this is not the forum for this type of discussion.

 

[dreamer20]

We were told in religious ed classes, taught by laymen when we were in high school, masturbation a big no no.

I was extrapolating masturbation worse then adultery.

This is something some of my Catholic friends and I have joked about.....and really do wonder about the theological underpinnings as to which is worse.

Both are, in the eyes of God, sins.
I do not want to get into some religious/theological discussion as this is not the forum for this type of discussion.

Oh yes it is an open forum for this discussion. You've been a member long enough to have seen the theological discussions here dm. Masturbation isn't prohibited by the Torah. Can you indicate where it is supposedly prohibited in the Bible?

 

[dickman45885]

What is the Jewish view on masturbation?


by Rabbi Mendy Hecht

CRAIG: Is masturbation a sin?Rabbi: Masturbation is forbidden according to Jewish law1
CRAIG: Why?
Rabbi: Kabbalah is very explicit about the negative spiritual side-effects of masturbation. The idea is as follows: Your seed is the material by which you procreate; it is the genetic material within you that allows you the opportunity to partner with G-d.

When we let human seed go to waste, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential​

CRAIG: How’s that? Rabbi: When we use it constructively, we channel the Divine sparks and energy within it correctly, and it comes to good use within the world via children who in turn will produce more children, in this way continuing the path of humanity. When we let it go to waste, however, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential. (This allows for what Kabbalah calls “Chitzonim,” negative forces loosely translated as “outsiders,” to snatch the energy and convert it for negative purposes.)

 

[dickman45885]

Can you indicate where it is supposedly prohibited in the Bible?

If you google "masturbation and the Bible" you will come up with, literally, 100's of citations.

 

[Calboner]

CRAIG: Is masturbation a sin?
Rabbi: Masturbation is forbidden according to Jewish law
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CRAIG: Why?
Rabbi: Kabbalah is very explicit about the negative spiritual side-effects of masturbation. The idea is as follows: Your seed is the material by which you procreate; it is the genetic material within you that allows you the opportunity to partner with G-d.

When we let human seed go to waste, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential​

CRAIG: How’s that?
Rabbi: When we use it constructively, we channel the Divine sparks and energy within it correctly, and it comes to good use within the world via children who in turn will produce more children, in this way continuing the path of humanity. When we let it go to waste, however, we squander G-d’s sacred and divine potential. (This allows for what Kabbalah calls “Chitzonim,” negative forces loosely translated as “outsiders,” to snatch the energy and convert it for negative purposes.)

This rabbi is misrepresenting the facts. Kaballah is a mystical practice based on a certain body of writings that, as far as I know, is not accepted as authoritative by any of the main branches of Judaism. This is a Jewish view of masturbation, not the Jewish view, at least as far its basis in kaballah is concerned. Maybe there is a basis for it in the Talmud or the responsa literature, but this rabbi's argument doesn't show that.

 

[dreamer20]

What is the Jewish view on masturbation? - intimacy sexual issues

What is the Jewish view on masturbation?
by Rabbi Mendy Hecht

"Rabbi: Kabbalah is very explicit about the negative spiritual side-effects of masturbation. The idea is as follows: Your seed is the material by which you procreate; it is the genetic material within you that allows you the opportunity to partner with G-d."

Footnotes
1. See Genesis 38:7-10, Talmud tractate Nidah 13a

Can you indicate where it is supposedly prohibited in the Bible?

If you google "masturbation and the Bible" you will come up with, literally, 100's of citations.

Rabbi Mendy Hecht was giving Craig his interpretation of what happened in the specific case of the Hebrew Onan in Genesis 38. According to the tale Onan was killed, not for masturbation, but for refusing to inseminate his brother's widow Tamar and have children by her as the law prescribed.
It's funny how the Catholic Church and this Rabbi have tried to somehow say that this verse means that masturbation is prohibited.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/sex.html

 

[rgboi84]

sex with a nun - Hardcore sex video - Tube8.com

Would this count as Christian porn?!?!?!? LOL! Very "Sacrilicious"!

 

[Principessa]

Christianity & Masturbation

Found in: Genesis 38:8-10

A story so eponymous, it gave way to its own neologism – onanism, an archaic term for masturbation. Basically, God kills Er. Why? We don’t really find out. However, in a stroke of good luck, Er’s father, Judah, has given you the right, nay the duty, to have sex with your dead brother’s wife. Onan is a bit apprehensive at first, but agrees to go through with this bizarre scheme to create a ‘true heir’ to Er. He begins to have sex with the girl, but at the last minute decides to pull out and spill “his seed upon the ground.” God is so irked he decides to kill Onan too, and thus nobody gets an heir. This story is the basis for the Christian condemnation of masturbation and birth control.

The moral of this story? In the words of Monty Python, “Every sperm is sacred…”

 

[Rowan Ravenseed]

We seem to have gotten a little off track here...... i thought the topic was Christian Porn?

Any-ways...... For may take on things.........

I'm Pagan.....so like all good pagans I worship false gods and sacrifice babies to my demonic masters,:saroll: other activities pagans enjoy as every-one knows are dancing around naked and having mass orgies with countless numbers of strangers :bukkake2:

Hmmm ok well maybe not...... However generally speaking (and mind you this is a generalization because in truth there are as many varied pagans as there are Christians, Jews, Hindus or Muslims) But one of the prevalent thought throughout paganism is that we worship nature and all things natural....... this of course extends to sex and masturbation......so for many of us sex sexual ideolagy and anything depicting sex really isn't that big of a deal......infact if its done well then we probably celebrate it.

Personally I like the fact that christianity is starting to become more progressive as i feel that Christs true msg is lost to so many becuase of all the dogma and guilt that is used to scare many christians into following christ.

Now if only we could get all you lovely warm hearted christians out there to stop slagging off other relegions and realise that Christ isn't the only way to enlightenment and spirituality is some-thing that is so personally individual that there cannot ever be only one way.

 

[NEWREBA]

We were told in religious ed classes, taught by laymen when we were in high shool, masturbation a big no no.

I was extrapolating masturbation worse then adultery.

This is something some of my Catholic friends and I have joked about.....and really do wonder about the theological underpinnings as to which is worse.

Both are, in the eyes of God, sins. Catholics delineate between venial and mortal sin.....the difference being severity of the sin. Some sin is inherently worse then other....it is a matter of degree, if that makes any sense. Some religions do not see the difference between venial and mortal sin.

I do not want to get into some religious/theological discussion as this is not the forum for this type of discussion.

If I remember my catholic catechism, it's a mortal sin to kill a little boy but only a venial sin if you sexually abuse him (for catholic priests only).

 

[nicenycdick]

This thread brings back some strange memories! I remember as a 14 year old, having to go to Confession every Saturday and tell the priest behind the curtain that I had committed the "sin of self-abuse"...masturbation, of course. It was one of the reasons that I stopped going to Confession...and receiving Communion. And led to a general dissatisfaction with the Church. So, while I now never go to church on Sundays, I jerk off every day! Somehow, I don't think it worked out the way Father O'Brian thought it would...

It also brings back memories of the time, when I was 16 and in the hospital for some tests, I was bathed by one of the nuns (it was a Catholic hospital)...but that is another story.

 

[Corius]

Whether the site is serious or intended to be humorous, it does indirectly point to many areas of sexuality which are never really discussed in an honest manner. If this site can do something about that by designating their concern as Christian Porn, more power to them.

Fortunately, even with too many churches which continue to pedal a lot of nonsense about sex, there are also many wise parents who do not burden their offspring with lots of do and don'ts. I count myself fortunate in having that kind of wise parents; I was never told that masturbation was sinful, unhealthy, or any such nonsense. Maybe they simply assumed that I would discover masturbation all by myself, maybe they reasoned that the relief jerking off can give might just keep me from unprepared sex and unplanned pregnancies. Frankly, we never discussed masturbation or any other sexual ace. They were right. My teen partner and I had the wonderful experience of learning by doing and over the last two years of high school we did it all.

The first great commandment is to love God with heart, soul, and mind. My mind simply could not grasp the notion a Creator who would make so many of us suffer from sexual frustration when a bit of relief was already at hand. For a horny teen the fact that he has a ready hand that can access his cock and give himself quieting (for the moment) relief can also lead the masturbating teen to love the God who puts the need and the relief in one package.

 

[prepstudinsc]

This is too bizarre for my taste. I read a couple of the articles and they twist Scripture passages in all sorts of ways. I hope that it's a joke site and that the people who run it are not serious.

 

[Drifterwood]

For what we are about to receive, may the Lord make us truly thankful

 

[Mr. Snakey]

This is too bizarre for my taste. I read a couple of the articles and they twist Scripture passages in all sorts of ways. I hope that it's a joke site and that the people who run it are not serious.

Either way its in poor taste. Its to be expected. Its open season on Christians anyway. When a muslim child can have a prayer break and a catholic child cant wear a cross to school somethings wrong. Our nation is sinking fast. The freedoms we hold so dearly are sadly slipping away.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

A story so eponymous, it gave way to its own neologism – onanism, an archaic term for masturbation. Basically, God kills Er. Why? We don’t really find out. However, in a stroke of good luck, Er’s father, Judah, has given you the right, nay the duty, to have sex with your dead brother’s wife. Onan is a bit apprehensive at first, but agrees to go through with this bizarre scheme to create a ‘true heir’ to Er. He begins to have sex with the girl, but at the last minute decides to pull out and spill “his seed upon the ground.” God is so irked he decides to kill Onan too, and thus nobody gets an heir.

God didn't kill Er.... Er made a deal with God that God would give him a male heir if Er went and committed genocide on a neighboring tribe...
But Er gets killed in battle before God can make good.

God COMMANDS Onan to screw the dead kings wife... to produce said heir ( this is in a part of the bible BEFORE the idea of heaven and life everlasting came about... So God was not gonna have to explain to Er... he just had to look good in front of the living. )
This is a command to commit adultery...

God offers to disguise Onan to look like the king, taking a break from battle to have a quick screw.

This is God commanding Onan to bear false witness


Onan balks, and God says, that' no problem, I will simply fill you with an overpowering lust.

This is God denying Onan free will.

Onan breaks away, runs outside and beats off top keep God from compelling him further ( apparently Onan was not a repeat performer)

So God kills him.

The stupid thing about the no-jacking off thing is this..
Number one... God killed him, not for beating off, but for thwarting God's will... jacking off was incidental.

Secondly... Onan was killed for trying to KEEP his covenant with God.

This is a perfect illustration of why the Bible is totally amoral.

Onan tried to keep his covenant... and God damned him for failure to brake his covenant on God's whim...
God proves he is not omniscient ( didn't see the king's dying coming... didn't see Onan's rebellion coming...) and it proves God is not omnipotent... ( couldn't just make the queen preggers with Er's child without Onan's help?)

And it proves that God is not moral. He asks Onan to break several commandments for the express purpose of covering up his own fuckup with a lie.


oh, yeah... the bible is a real source of moral example....

 

[Calboner]

Rabbi Mendy Hecht was giving Craig his interpretation of what happened in the specific case of the Hebrew Onan in Genesis 38. According to the tale Onan was killed, not for masturbation, but for refusing to inseminate his brother's widow Tamar and have children by her as the law prescribed.
It's funny how the Catholic Church and this Rabbi have tried to somehow say that this verse means that masturbation is prohibited.

I looked up the source of the previously quoted passage by Rabbi Hecht (I thought "Mendy" was a woman's name, but it turns out this one is indeed a male) and I found that, even though the passage argues from Kabbalah, there was a footnote citing the Talmud, specifically the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 13. So he has got Jewish law on his side, not just Kabbalah. The chapter that he cites quotes, more than once, a statement of Rabbi Eliezer's prohibiting touching your penis when peeing ("Whoever holds his membrum when he makes water is as though he had brought a flood on the world"). It also quotes Rabbi Johanan in support of the now familiar interpretation of the Biblical verse about Onan:

But why all these precautions? — Because otherwise one might emit semen in vain, and R. Johanan stated: Whosoever emits semen in vain deserves death, for it is said in Scripture: And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the Lord, and He slew him also.
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There's your citation of Genesis 38:10 in support of a prohibition on masturbation, or rather of "spilling semen in vain" -- which would include, of course, withdrawing before ejaculation during sexual intercourse. I had no idea that such a (mis-)use of that passage was in the Talmud!

 

[invisibleman]

I want to see Mormon gay porn...where Ben Affleck and Matt Damon take off their sacred undies and sleep together.