Drugs

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

As for Senor, I have trouble telling if you're being sarcastic or not. But yes, the Soldano is hilarious, and true. They even make a model now that goes to 11 1/2. No lies, check it out.

And the Allmans? Excellent stuff, glad to hear we've got some fans of good ol' jam music on the forum.

I'll check out the Soldano. Wonderful story.
No worries, ampblaster. I've a sweetheart squirrel. Pull my tail and I'm your friend.
Yup, the Allmans were the bomb. I half think I'll go out and buy an album tomorrow.

 

[66057]

What point?

Did I say that?

You missed my chart, I Actually had acid rated as a 3 for enjoyability, above DXM. DXM really sucked, (15 minute caffiene type buzz, 1-2 hour anxiety attack) but acid is dangerous. It's danger should not be downplayed.

I have heard "set and setting" before, by burners and hippies....

...but imagine being 19, bored, a bit of weed, and then someone says, hey, I know where I can get some acid!

It's not like they are going to say, "wait, lets see how Leary recommends we enjoy our high"

*Sigh*

You SHOULD.

I was 19, bored, and a pothead. I still did my own research, much like the other people here who HAVE had plenty of enjoyable LSD experiences.

 

[burns1de]

...but imagine being 19, bored, a bit of weed, and then someone says, hey, I know where I can get some acid!

It's not like they are going to say, "wait, lets see how Leary recommends we enjoy our high"

Actually... yes. Me and my friends weren't dumbasses when it came to drugs, we learned as much as we could and absorbed as much information as possible before trying a new drug.

 

[Yorkie]

So what, are you bald as well under there? :wink:

Not quite, but I'll never be mistaken for one of the Furry Freak Brothers. :afro:
One good thing about getting older - you spend less and less on shampoo and haircuts. :smile:

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

As a long-time yoga practitioner, I'm a little skeptical about the claims made for the pineal gland, but who knows?

Dr. Rick Strassman does. :biggrin1: Ampblaster is right though - dimethyltryptamine, in humans, is indeed produced by the pineal gland, which is located between both hemispheres of the brain. It is produced en masse during intense experiences, as in near-death experiences, and during R.E.M. sleep.

Well, burns1e, I don't doubt that a great deal happens within and on account of the pineal gland.
But the centrality of the pineal gland in spiritual experience seems to me possibly overstated.
If I'm not mistaken, the pineal sometimes becomes cancerous and is removed. But those sufferers do not, so far as I know, become spiritual nullities.
I think there's probably a great deal to learn about the pineal gland, but that learning will, I'm betting, dispel quite a number of myths that have been established by yogic tradition, by Descartes, and by a lot of New Age bigwigs.
But this is no more than my hunch.

 

[50%more]

Actually... yes. Me and my friends weren't dumbasses when it came to drugs, we learned as much as we could and absorbed as much information as possible before trying a new drug.

Yes, but even those who are well informed can slip into the bowels of addiction. It comes from that resilience and immortality we often feel as youths, and can creep into middle or old age

 

[66057]

On another note, Burnside posted an excellent website in that link. It has a wide variety of sources, and actual medical information from educational programs to government research.

I suggest you look up LSD and find out the truth behind the madness, and why so many people like you and your friends are giving it a bad name. This isn't to sound like an intolerable prick, but I'm honestly outraged that the binge drinking generation has the cujones to step up and slam responsible psychedelic users. The only danger in LSD is not being ready/able to do LSD, or it not BEING lsd. That bad trip shit usually only happens in intensely large doses, probably when you're about to cross the line into seeing sounds and hearing colors. At this point, you should have been with a sitter anyway, someone who can monitor what you are doing, and guide you through the trip if you're becoming frightened. This is just a fundamental part of the psychedelic experience. I've never had a bad trip, minus high anxiety on a number of occasions, which probably stemmed from cops showing up at a doorstep once. So don't blame LSD, blame cops.

 

[patrick222]

Worst drug ? Tobacco. The major televison stars of the fifties and early sixties all died from the product of their major advertisers .

 

[66057]

Yes, but even those who are well informed can slip into the bowels of addiction. It comes from that resilience and immortality we often feel as youths, and can creep into middle or old age

*Ehhhhh*

Wrong.

LSD has zero addiction potential, as well as mushrooms and DMT, and other various forms of psychedelics, minus the retarded ones like Ketamine and DXM.

LSD is rapidly absorbed into the brain, and use every day for three days will have no effect whatsoever. You have to let your brain reset. It's basically useless to try to trip every day, or even twice a week. You'll lose your grip on reality, and the trips won't even be interesting, fun or meaningful.

Once again, do your research before you slap a comment down.

 

[50%more]

*Ehhhhh*

Wrong.

LSD has zero addiction potential, as well as mushrooms and DMT, and other various forms of psychedelics, minus the retarded ones like Ketamine and DXM.

LSD is rapidly absorbed into the brain, and use every day for three days will have no effect whatsoever. You have to let your brain reset. It's basically useless to try to trip every day, or even twice a week. You'll lose your grip on reality, and the trips won't even be interesting, fun or meaningful.

Once again, do your research before you slap a comment down.

I never specified that the hallocinogens are highly addictive. I realize that LSD/psyllicybin/mescalin are less physically addictive than other drugs like opiates, nicotine, and amphetamines. But they can become psycologically addictive. I know from my own experiences. I am not saying that their effects cannot also be positive. Most drugs start off as having a positive effect. Otherwise people would not do them.

Also you should do a little research on LSD and the other two. Just because they are rapidly absorbed by the brain does not mean that they are not harmful or psychologically addictive.

By the way, did you happen to read the rest of my post?

 

[66057]

They aren't psychologically addictive.

What does addiction mean to you? Compulsive, repeated, uncontrollable use, where one may want to stop but finds that he/she cannot.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to become physically OR psychologically addicted to LSD. Opiates, nicotine, amphetamines, that's a whole 'nother ball game brother.

If you understood what I was talking about, you'd ultimately discover that LSD tolerance comes on incredibly quickly. The after effects range from 24-72 hours. If you were to take LSD the day after you ingested an amount, you would probably need double that amount to produce the same effect, and you'd only be blurring the line between the first trip, reality, and the second trip. This is an absolutely ludicrous/useless/expensive thing to do. Erowid

You'll find more than enough sites and sources to understand these chemicals in their entirety.

 

[50%more]

They aren't psychologically addictive.

What does addiction mean to you? Compulsive, repeated, uncontrollable use, where one may want to stop but finds that he/she cannot.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to become physically OR psychologically addicted to LSD. Opiates, nicotine, amphetamines, that's a whole 'nother ball game brother.

If you understood what I was talking about, you'd ultimately discover that LSD tolerance comes on incredibly quickly. The after effects range from 24-72 hours. If you were to take LSD the day after you ingested an amount, you would probably need double that amount to produce the same effect, and you'd only be blurring the line between the first trip, reality, and the second trip. This is an absolutely ludicrous/useless/expensive thing to do. Erowid

You'll find more than enough sites and sources to understand these chemicals in their entirety.

I understand all this. I liked the effects so much in college that I would double and triple my doses to get that high again. I use to buy sheets of 100. One weekend at the beach I started off with 1 on friday, and ended with 6 on sunday. And I still went to class and work on monday. Boy I tell you a cup of strong coffee on monday would trigger some of the same feelings I had during the best part of the trip.

 

[66057]

That is irresponsible use, and it's your own fault. You're also probably the first person I've heard of who somehow became "addicted" to taking acid. That is a ridiculous way to live, even more so than shooting impurely cut heroin, which is both literally psychologically and physically addicting.

Go back and read some of my original responses to the people that bashed LSD, you'll find my initial thoughts were the same as what I'm presenting to you now.

Respect the drug, and the drug will respect you.

 

[Principessa]

*SNIP* Nothing. Anything. Absolute illumination. Dark questioning. I'm more into this for the experience itself. Not all drugs are the same, NJQT. I am aware of this Burns1de. I'm not a complete idiot. You won't get the same trip from shrooms that you will from rum or from hash or from Special K or whatever else. A new drug is a new experience (or a bunch of them). This is VERY difficult to explain to someone who has never had a psychedelic experience.

I'll take for granted that you include me in this... Yes, I did, but not as a slam or to come off sounding like Nancy Reagan. You are one of a small handful of people whose posts I look forward to reading even when I don't agree with them. Unlike many of the people who have posted frequently of late I truly like and respect you; I always learn something from your posts which I appreciate. I really, really, REALLY wish people would stop judging me and others like me (ie. 'drug users') on this... I'm sorry. :frown1: You're right, I tend to do that a lot. It's one of the many things I am supposed to be working on in therapy. :redface: Just because I use drugs doesn't mean I'm not the real me on here, or anywhere else, True, but this being the internet how much do we ever really know about anybody? or that I am less than a so-called 'normal' man, or that you should feel sorry for me or whatever. I'm not saying you're thinking all of that, but quite frankly, from the 'tone' of your post (especially the part above), it would indicate so. You are correct, I was more than a little preachy but not pitying. :redface::frown1: I've heard that too many times already... From personal experience, I can tell you that the 'normal' people are usually the most fucked up, disingenuous and hypocritical persons I've ever seen. LOL :biggrin1: I have only recently come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as 'normal' and that all families (especially mine) are dysfunctional in some form or fashion. Addicted to antidepressants but feeling good about it because The Man says it's okay to take them, a lot of them tend to be walking contradictions, secretly loathing and even envying our choices and our free-spirit, those people tend to live boring, safe and meaningless existences. I might not find God using psychedelics but hey, at least I'm trying, You want to see God? Or just have a life altering experience? Okay, I so totally missed that reference before. I'm doing something. As am I! I think we may have similar goals we are just taking different paths.

Ahh, that felt good to get off my chest. :wink: I'm glad you feel better. :smile:

No, I got the same brainwashing from my folks (well, my mom - daddy wasn't really there to do any upbringing per se, you see), but I was uncontrollable. Tell me 'this is off limit' and I'll be the first one to jump over the gate. Tell me not to try this new drug, and I'll be heading to headshops asking about it and seeking it out. Same thing. I understand I chose to buck the establishment and my parents in more subtle ways.
Part of the fun of this is living for yourself and discovering new ways of thinking and experiencing life. Some people like to bungie jump, others like to sail around the world in a small boat, others like to try psychedelics drugs, others do all of it. I know you probably think I am some straight-laced prude; but I'm really not. I have done things which while tame for you; took me way outside my comfort zone and made me feel exhilerated.

Here's a good rule of thumb: when the government tells you to do something, try the opposite, instead. :wink:

You're preaching to the choir dude. :smile::biggrin1: I'm 41 and a moderate democrat with green party tendencies. I was out engaging in minor vandalism and felonies when you were still in diapers.

FYI: In case you and some of the other recreational drug users haven't figured it out yet. I kvetch and moan because I care and I would hate to see anything bad happen to any of you.

I trust that you have researched various drugs and have determined what's right for you. I just don't trust the source. :smile: I'm from Jersey I have friends who used to deal. I had another friend whose boyfriend was a runner for the mob and they paid him in crank and crack (that was back in the mid late 1980's) I know what some of this stuff is cut with and it ain't pretty. In some instances it's more dangerous than the actual drug.

I have a girlfriend who was on such good terms with her drug dealer in college he took her personal checks. I'm her daughters' godmother and I was the maid of honor at her wedding. Yes, her daughter is totally normal; if anything she is a little too smart.:tongue::smile:

 

[50%more]

That is irresponsible use, and it's your own fault. You're also probably the first person I've heard of who somehow became "addicted" to taking acid. That is a ridiculous way to live, even more so than shooting impurely cut heroin, which is both literally psychologically and physically addicting.

Go back and read some of my original responses to the people that bashed LSD, you'll find my initial thoughts were the same as what I'm presenting to you now.

Respect the drug, and the drug will respect you.

Call it what you will, I was irresponsible. The fact remains that acid can be abused. And I was even keenly aware of its physiological effects and reaction in the nervous system. Is not addiction the act of using something irresponsibly?

I can also assure you that I am not the only person I have known that has used drugs irresponsibly. It has even happened to intelligent and well informed people that I know.

 

[66057]

Yes, but NJQT, crack is ridiculously horrible for you. It causes immediate damage on the brain, and will lead to psychosis much like prolonged cocaine use will.

If the FDA regulated most of these drugs, there wouldn't be a market for putting out cheap product on the street for addicts who can't get them anywhere else.

And Burnside is specifically talking about psychedelics. Mushrooms are completely natural. They grow out of the ground. The worst that could happen is that an idiot wants to go get high and picks a poisonous fungus out of the ground because he doesn't know how to identify magic shrooms, and dies from ingesting them...without doing his research.

LSD in blotter form is also one of the safest buys. People spread the myth that various chemicals were put on the blotter to create LSD like effects without it being LSD. DOB MIGHT be the only other drug that could fit on blotter paper, and it would be such a small amount that you would feel as though the trip was a complete weak waste. LSD is relatively inexpensive because of the large quantity that can be produced in a single synthesizing process, and you might as well sell blank paper to someone rather than wasting your time trying to find a harmful drug that could fit onto it. No one would ever know.

Crack is kind of hard to fake, and it's made with household chemicals. I have never tried heroin, cocaine, crack-cocaine, methamphetamine...etc.etc. The list goes on and on. As a former alcoholic, even at my tender young age, I will still raise the torch for psychedelics over any of these other drugs, as it left me with more positive consequences than negative ones. The negatives being that I'm just a LITTLE less rich for buying it, and LSD costs about $6 a hit.

Go figure.

 

[Principessa]

Call it what you will, I was irresponsible. The fact remains that acid can be abused. And I was even keenly aware of its physiological effects and reaction in the nervous system. Is not addiction the act of using something irresponsibly?

I can also assure you that I am not the only person I have known that has used drugs irresponsibly. It has even happened to intelligent and well informed people that I know.

I've always considered you to be intelligent and well informed 50%more.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

drugs are bad. m'kay?

you shouldn't do drugs.

 

[50%more]

Yes, but NJQT, crack is ridiculously horrible for you. It causes immediate damage on the brain, and will lead to psychosis much like prolonged cocaine use will.

If the FDA regulated most of these drugs, there wouldn't be a market for putting out cheap product on the street for addicts who can't get them anywhere else.

And Burnside is specifically talking about psychedelics. Mushrooms are completely natural. They grow out of the ground. The worst that could happen is that an idiot wants to go get high and picks a poisonous fungus out of the ground because he doesn't know how to identify magic shrooms, and dies from ingesting them...without doing his research.

LSD in blotter form is also one of the safest buys. People spread the myth that various chemicals were put on the blotter to create LSD like effects without it being LSD. DOB MIGHT be the only other drug that could fit on blotter paper, and it would be such a small amount that you would feel as though the trip was a complete weak waste. LSD is relatively inexpensive because of the large quantity that can be produced in a single synthesizing process, and you might as well sell blank paper to someone rather than wasting your time trying to find a harmful drug that could fit onto it. No one would ever know.

Crack is kind of hard to fake, and it's made with household chemicals. I have never tried heroin, cocaine, crack-cocaine, methamphetamine...etc.etc. The list goes on and on. As a former alcoholic, even at my tender young age, I will still raise the torch for psychedelics over any of these other drugs, as it left me with more positive consequences than negative ones. The negatives being that I'm just a LITTLE less rich for buying it, and LSD costs about $6 a hit.

Go figure.

I agree.

Also,they don't make crack from household chemicals anymore. Crack is now what we use to call ready rock. Now that cocaine prices have gone down it is cheaper to use cocaine. IOW, freebased cocaine. Crystal meth is made from household chemicals and has a similar effect. The difference is subtle but profound. Neither of them leave you with a good feeling the next day.

Oh and when I was buying LSD it was 2 dollars a hit. I use to get sheets of 100 for $50. It was never about the money. It was more about the fact that I chose to do somethings under the influence of a mind altering substance.

 

[50%more]

I've always considered you to be intelligent and well informed 50%more.

Thank you NJ. But I do admit that I have been a little irresponsible in my life. I am still working on that. I need to call my sponsor. :biggrin1: