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During my brief College Days I experimented with sex with males. It confirmed my basic feelings. I enjoyed the activity at the time; but have been involved with sexual activity with females since my days in College.
To be honest, I suspect that many would have to reply such as I have; but are not comfortable with posting on this topic.
To be honest, I suspect that many would have to reply such as I have; but are not comfortable with posting on this topic.
Yeah I suppose if he coninvced me I guess I would fuck another man but I'm pretty much a wreck so I'd be happy with anything.
I guess you could say that I'm in my "college days" right now. As I mentioned in another thread a month or so ago, I did have oral sex with my best friend this summer at a camp where we were both working. We've known each other since we were both in grade school & have jerked off together many times over the years. We were swimming naked together at a private spot on a creek & it just happened. I started to get a little hard & he played with me & then gave me head. I think it was a trust thing b/c I wouldn't want to do it with any other guy. We're close & it felt good to me.
So I guess what I'm saying is that while I'm not sexually attracted to guys, in this situation it felt great to me. Maybe it was a way for us to express our good relationship with each other. I haven't lost sleep over this experience. In fact I think it's brought us closer together. We have talked about it many times & we're both cool with it. I don't think I'd be into doing this with just any guy. I think our friendship made it possible.
HSB - Is your best friend gay? Bi?
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[/b][/quote]I guess he's mostly straight, at least as far as I know. He considers himself open-minded. Not sure if that makes sense to you.
Sure -- that's why this topic is interesting, at least to me. And why so many of us list our orientations as 99-1%, 90-10% etc.
Many of the straight guys I know who have fooled around with a guy have done it based on trust/intimacy with him. But conversely, if I was going to be with a woman, it WOULDN'T be with one of my friends - that would just feel too incestuous for me. Strange? :shrug:
Sure -- that's why this topic is interesting, at least to me. And why so many of us list our orientations as 99-1%, 90-10% etc.
Many of the straight guys I know who have fooled around with a guy have done it based on trust/intimacy with him. But conversely, if I was going to be with a woman, it WOULDN'T be with one of my friends - that would just feel too incestuous for me. Strange? :shrug:
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[/b][/quote]Ok, I get what you're saying. Mike is my best male friend & I would use the "L' word about him. I mean, we love each other. I don't feel that way about my other guy friends. So since we're that close, I trust him a lot & he wouldn't do anything to hurt me. I wouldn't harm him in any way either. So I don't think of him as a casual friend. When he gave me head, it was almost like a "blood brother" thing. It wasn't some quickie. I don't want to get all gushy & weird about this, but I think the trust thing is the basis for what happened.
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Ok, I get what you're saying. Mike is my best male friend & I would use the "L' word about him. I mean, we love each other. I don't feel that way about my other guy friends. So since we're that close, I trust him a lot & he wouldn't do anything to hurt me. I wouldn't harm him in any way either. So I don't think of him as a casual friend. When he gave me head, it was almost like a "blood brother" thing. It wasn't some quickie. I don't want to get all gushy & weird about this, but I think the trust thing is the basis for what happened.
That's so cool that you got to give the time and intimacy to him. It was just about closeness. We can give intimacy like this to a stranger and never to the real person that we are close to. I have had two straight friends that went that direction with me once each. Not for everybody and know one would ever understand I guess. I love them both but glad they are the wonderful straight guys...now married... they are. The world needs more centered and loving guys like these two. Total butch guys too. I feel really honored that we had the connection. :toast:
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[/quote]That's so cool that you got to give the time and intimacy to him. It was just about closeness. We can give intimacy like this to a stranger and never to the real person that we are close to. I have had two straight friends that went that direction with me once each. Not for everybody and know one would ever understand I guess. I love them both but glad they are the wonderful straight guys...now married... they are. The world needs more centered and loving guys like these two. Total butch guys too. I feel really honored that we had the connection. :toast:
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What DO you mean by this, BruceSter? Sounds like you're talking about not getting penetrated, but of course sexual contact with a guy could mean any number of things besides that.
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Okay, now once and for all, to write down, print and nail it over your bed: I have no interest in exchanging affection of whatsoever kind with a man.
NO Penetrating,
NO Oral Sex,
NO mutual stroking,
NO caresses and
NO kisses
I know you might want that, but it's like that, the 100% straight in my profile don't come from nothing, and could mean 1,000% too - sex or affection exchanges with a man are no-go's for me. And NO, I'd not even do it if you offered me a million for it.
Bruce
Sounds like you were annoyed becasue you thought people were trying to hit on you/proposition you or something. For the record, and speaking for myself at least, that was not my intention at all -- just trying to make a little conversation. I find straight guys who automatically assume gay guys are hittling on them to be REALLY ARROGANT. You can nail that to your bed if you need to.
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What DO you mean by this, BruceSter? Sounds like you're talking about not getting penetrated, but of course sexual contact with a guy could mean any number of things besides that.
[/quote]
Okay, now once and for all, to write down, print and nail it over your bed: I have no interest in exchanging affection of whatsoever kind with a man.
NO Penetrating,
NO Oral Sex,
NO mutual stroking,
NO caresses and
NO kisses
I know you might want that, but it's like that, the 100% straight in my profile don't come from nothing, and could mean 1,000% too - sex or affection exchanges with a man are no-go's for me. And NO, I'd not even do it if you offered me a million for it.
Bruce
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[/b][/quote]Wow, this is a really mean defensive comment. I'm not interested in you any way, shape or form, Bruce. I can't imagine any girl or woman wanting to be with someone who is as full of hate as you are. I think there's a certain cruel way that we straight guys use to defend ourselves & I don't think it's necessary. I know I have some of this in me and I don't feel very good about it. When I see it in other guys, it makes me really uncomfortable. And Bruce's words gross me out.
If this is a support group, I'd like to know how Bruce's attitude and negativity helps or supports any of us? I think his words are offensive.
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It was a defensive post, yes, but the question asked "if" and he said "no" clearly enough already. There are a few of us ones and sixes in the world, entirely gay or straight, and it sometimes does seem tiring to have to defend that point. I believe there are far more twos through fives (talking about the Kinsey scale here) but that doesn't mean the ones and sixes don't exist. As much as gay men hate hearing women say "You just haven't found the right woman" straight men hate hearing from gay men "You would if you have the right opportunity" (drunk, really hot guy, money).
Matthew, I believe you when you say you were just making conversation, but when someone says something that is easy enough to understand, questioning it further is likely to draw a more heated response, don't you think? Not trying to fan the flames, just trying to say it as I see it.
I liked jonb's point that it's not necessarily homophobic to be 100% straight. Homophobia is far more prevalent in guys who hate their own desires. I'm lucky, women aren't very aggressive so I've never had a woman question my orientation beyond my polite "No, thank you". For the record, I tried it a couple times and it just wasn't for me.
I can't help but automatically like someone more when I find out they're gay, male or female. There's something about having to go through an intense road of personal discovery that makes people more contemplative and introspective in general, traits I value very highly.
Matthew, I believe you when you say you were just making conversation, but when someone says something that is easy enough to understand, questioning it further is likely to draw a more heated response, don't you think? Not trying to fan the flames, just trying to say it as I see it.
I liked jonb's point that it's not necessarily homophobic to be 100% straight. Homophobia is far more prevalent in guys who hate their own desires. I'm lucky, women aren't very aggressive so I've never had a woman question my orientation beyond my polite "No, thank you". For the record, I tried it a couple times and it just wasn't for me.
I can't help but automatically like someone more when I find out they're gay, male or female. There's something about having to go through an intense road of personal discovery that makes people more contemplative and introspective in general, traits I value very highly.
Okay, now once and for all, to write down, print and nail it over your bed: I have no interest in exchanging affection of whatsoever kind with a man.
NO Penetrating,
NO Oral Sex,
NO mutual stroking,
NO caresses and
NO kisses
I know you might want that, but it's like that, the 100% straight in my profile don't come from nothing, and could mean 1,000% too - sex or affection exchanges with a man are no-go's for me. And NO, I'd not even do it if you offered me a million for it.
Bruce
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[/b][/quote]Wow, this is a really mean defensive comment. I'm not interested in you any way, shape or form, Bruce. I can't imagine any girl or woman wanting to be with someone who is as full of hate as you are. I think there's a certain cruel way that we straight guys use to defend ourselves & I don't think it's necessary. I know I have some of this in me and I don't feel very good about it. When I see it in other guys, it makes me really uncomfortable. And Bruce's words gross me out.
If this is a support group, I'd like to know how Bruce's attitude and negativity helps or supports any of us? I think his words are offensive.
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[/b][/quote]Hey Jeff,
I'm understanding where you're coming from on your reaction to Bruce's words. I also know that you're an idealistic young guy who's in the process of trying to figure yourself out. I think it's helpful that you find some of your own issues, fears and defenses in Bruce's comments. It's a great learning experience when you can discover your own mind and feelings through others. Stay with it all. You'll end up being an even more exceptional adult than you can ever imagine.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Matthew
What DO you mean by this, BruceSter? Sounds like you're talking about not getting penetrated, but of course sexual contact with a guy could mean any number of things besides that.
[/quote]
Okay, now once and for all, to write down, print and nail it over your bed: I have no interest in exchanging affection of whatsoever kind with a man.
NO Penetrating,
NO Oral Sex,
NO mutual stroking,
NO caresses and
NO kisses
I know you might want that, but it's like that, the 100% straight in my profile don't come from nothing, and could mean 1,000% too - sex or affection exchanges with a man are no-go's for me. And NO, I'd not even do it if you offered me a million for it.
Bruce
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[/b][/quote]While I am disappointed with your answer, becasue your so hot looking.....I can totally respect it. I would never be with a female when it comes to sexual activity.
I don't think that he was being mean....just wanted to make it clear.
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Well, I suppose I have a weird view on this subject, so let me know if I should change my "straight/gay" reading accordingly, haha.
Here's the thing, I feel comfortable saying if a guy is good looking or not. If someone asks me if I think a guy is "hot", I don't have any problem saying something like "yeah, he's a good looking guy for sure". Plus, if the price was right, I'm sure I would do just about anything, haha. I cannot lie and say that I wouldn't sleep with another guy for a million bucks. Hell, I'd fuck Brad Pitt for 20 bucks and a hot meal, haha. It would be worth it just for the story of it all.
Sorry to answer the question in a somewhat non-serious manner.
Here's the thing, I feel comfortable saying if a guy is good looking or not. If someone asks me if I think a guy is "hot", I don't have any problem saying something like "yeah, he's a good looking guy for sure". Plus, if the price was right, I'm sure I would do just about anything, haha. I cannot lie and say that I wouldn't sleep with another guy for a million bucks. Hell, I'd fuck Brad Pitt for 20 bucks and a hot meal, haha. It would be worth it just for the story of it all.
Sorry to answer the question in a somewhat non-serious manner.
Hi there-
Left full rudder, right full rudder, amidships... I felt like I needed to make a point. The question was if - and under what circumstances - a straight guy would consider having sex with a man, and my first statement, it seemed to me, wasn't clear enough. Matthew, yes, somewhere I felt like I was being approached, and I got defensive, that's true - I needed to make it clear that no idea of man-to-man sex appeals to me, be it exchanges of affection or be it outright fucking. I am straight, and have neither a desire nor a curious notion to experience man-to-man sex.
What is not true is that I am negative, or "full of hate". Live and let live, I always say - it's in no book that a man necessarily has to feel attracted to women. And neither were my words meant to support or help anyone - I was asked for my opinion, my first attempt was ambiguous, and with my second, I wanted to clear out any residue doubts that might have been there. I don't think I was "mean" or offensive to anyone, I was just being outright about my opinion. The innuendo of "My pants are one-way exit only" has left some options open, it seems.
I apologize to those who feel offended, though I can't understand it.
Bruce
Left full rudder, right full rudder, amidships... I felt like I needed to make a point. The question was if - and under what circumstances - a straight guy would consider having sex with a man, and my first statement, it seemed to me, wasn't clear enough. Matthew, yes, somewhere I felt like I was being approached, and I got defensive, that's true - I needed to make it clear that no idea of man-to-man sex appeals to me, be it exchanges of affection or be it outright fucking. I am straight, and have neither a desire nor a curious notion to experience man-to-man sex.
What is not true is that I am negative, or "full of hate". Live and let live, I always say - it's in no book that a man necessarily has to feel attracted to women. And neither were my words meant to support or help anyone - I was asked for my opinion, my first attempt was ambiguous, and with my second, I wanted to clear out any residue doubts that might have been there. I don't think I was "mean" or offensive to anyone, I was just being outright about my opinion. The innuendo of "My pants are one-way exit only" has left some options open, it seems.
I apologize to those who feel offended, though I can't understand it.
Bruce
Well, MZ, the short answer to your question is yes. But BruceSter's original comment was not easy to understand, at least for me. The first time I took a straight friend to gay bar, he made a joke about if he'd need to pin a "do not enter" sign to his ass. He's a better guy than his dumb comment sounds, but the point is that when some straight men think of being sexual with a guy, right away they think that means they would get fucked. But of course it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. No taking it up the ass could mean either a) absolutely nothing with a guy, or b) maybe other things, but not that. I truly don't care which - to each their own. I completely believe in the Kinsey extremes, no interest in "converting" guys. Just trying to get some more interesting dialogue going ... but you can bet I'll think twice next time.
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