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Holy belated revival, Batman...

If that "you", is targeting ME, you've missed your mark. I was just the only one dumb enough to engage you, so if you need someone to needle, feel free. Again, I'm in NO way speaking for the Mods, I'm speaking as a relatively long-time member. I do stand by the thought that the posting should've never made it to the board, not because of anything against the poster himself, but because that's kinda how bannings work... not being allowed to post and all. The only way the posting should've even existed on this board, would be if he was reinstated here. For that post to appear, that's what would need to happen. Since you want that post back so bad, are you requesting that poster be reinstated so he can put up that posting? I thought the whole purpose of this thread was so that you could rejoice that he was gone. You want him here to post, or you don't want him here posting?

That particular post clearly demonstrates why he should have been banned. It's full of pernicious lies and libels. I don't want him here to post, but it was not constructive to delete that particular post as it crystallizes the sort of behavior that got him banned.

Where any other member to do this, their post would be treated exactly the same way. THAT is the truth.

It is simply NOT true, and as far as I'm able to tell, the post was deleted without any precedent available to cite as a reason for deleting it. Please demonstrate where ANY banned member who created an alter ego, then posted, had his or her posts deleted. IF you can find an example of such, I'll bet you a shiny new nickel that there won't be many of them, and that the posts that were not deleted in such cases were left to stand. It never happened during my tenure as a mod, and as a more than casual observer of what goes on around here, I haven't seen it happen before or since.

It was a bad call. Had you left it up, or put it back soon after deleting it, this "late revival" wouldn't have happened and the brouhaha would have long ago been forgotten.

You guys should do the right thing and undelete it.
 
...it was a bad decision to delete the post and leave it deleted...
It's a worse decision to allow banned members come back and post disruption as they please. If we allow that, then what's the point of banning them?

It's also a bad idea to let people try to bully us into breaking the rules we're supposed to be upholding. Banned users don't get to post.

That particular post clearly demonstrates why he should have been banned...
The reason(s) for which he WAS banned, were clearly more than sufficient.

...it crystallizes the sort of behavior that got him banned.
Really? Just this ONE post? Oh c'mon, you're far more clever than that. I'm sure if you really tried, you could find plenty of other examples.

It is simply NOT true, and as far as I'm able to tell, the post was deleted without any precedent available to cite as a reason for deleting it. Please demonstrate where ANY banned member who created an alter ego, then posted, had his or her posts deleted...
How about this. If you can find users who were banned, who then created accounts to return and post disruptive items, I'll lobby to have those deleted as well.

I DO see all of your points, it's not even that I necessarily disagree with some of them, but you seem to keep refusing to even acknowledge mine, and that is, that the post should've never seen the light of day on this site, so that it's gone shouldn't be an issue.
 
http://www.lpsg.org/members/jaunet.html - 92 posts, 89 still visible in a search.
http://www.lpsg.org/members/mynameisnobody.html - 109 posts, all 109 still visible in a search.

Both banned for being Stronzo - the former during his first ban, the latter during his reinstatement.

198 posts written by that Dick that should never have made it to the board. Are you going to delete them? :rolleyes:
First, I don't have to take this issue, nor the two of you on, and I'm not doing it in any official capacity. I could let this go, and just let the two of you steam over the whole thing, but I'm attempting to at least do what I think is right. Badgering me doesn't help your cause, nor does the name-calling. You two left the site, reportedly, because he and she were here, and now he and she are gone, and you're still unhappy. I don't know why I'm bothering to try helping you two, but I opened my stupid mouth, so I'm going to continue trying.

I think it's a valid point that these posts, following the logic that they should've never been posted, are fair targets for deletion.

HOWEVER, when I take these to the Mod forum to be discussed, and if they agree that they should go away, THEN will you be happy, or will you just start a new campaign of disgruntled bemoaning that we're a Stalinist regime, censoring things at will? Because even though YOU pointed them out, WE will be the ones blamed. Or, is that your ultimate goal?

I guess it's just my little blond naive head, but I'm more and more getting the feeling that no matter what I try to do to help you, it's never going to be the right thing, and you're never going to be happy. So then I think, "Um, OK, then why even try?"
 
First, I don't have to take this issue, nor the two of you on, and I'm not doing it in any official capacity. I could let this go, and just let the two of you steam over the whole thing, but I'm attempting to at least do what I think is right. Badgering me doesn't help your cause, nor does the name-calling. You two left the site, reportedly, because he and she were here, and now he and she are gone, and you're still unhappy. I don't know why I'm bothering to try helping you two, but I opened my stupid mouth, so I'm going to continue trying.

I think it's a valid point that these posts, following the logic that they should've never been posted, are fair targets for deletion.

HOWEVER, when I take these to the Mod forum to be discussed, and if they agree that they should go away, THEN will you be happy, or will you just start a new campaign of disgruntled bemoaning that we're a Stalinist regime, censoring things at will? Because even though YOU pointed them out, WE will be the ones blamed. Or, is that your ultimate goal?

I guess it's just my little blond naive head, but I'm more and more getting the feeling that no matter what I try to do to help you, it's never going to be the right thing, and you're never going to be happy. So then I think, "Um, OK, then why even try?"
I am not responding to all of this because I have no interest in Porky and Petunia and their whinings. I just have a quick question~~how or why would it make sense to delete just the singular posts since there would be a lack of continuity? What is more though and this is where the delete thing would become a massively major~~I;m talking monumental Dude~~headache. A quick look at Jaunu]et's posts and there are people who respond quoting what Jaunet had said. It would then need to remove those posts as well. The only way it would work would be to delete each and every thread where Jaunet had posted.


One other thing, I am disillusioned that you have a blonde head I have always thought of you as a brunette.
 
Well as the other blonde on the team it is precisely for the reason that editing and deleting posts that would leave many threads unintelligible that those posts will not be addressed. On the other hand a single post by a banned individual will continue to be addressed and deleted.
 
Well as the other blonde on the team it is precisely for the reason that editing and deleting posts that would leave many threads unintelligible that those posts will not be addressed. On the other hand a single post by a banned individual will continue to be addressed and deleted.

I do believe my latest tactical approach to modding might at least make ME the platinum one!

Anyway, just to add to what NY has said, the team have discussed this issue and there is a satisfactory concensus on how we deal with banned members and their posts.


 
novice - there was no name calling, and you know there wasn't. And I'm not entirely sure why you think I 'left' the board - I clearly haven't as I still post here. It's true I wasn't happy about Stronzo's unbanning. It's also true I took a break from posting. One particular member does seem to have stated here that my absence, and that of Hick, was directly because Stronzo returned. I don't speak for Hick (ever, unless he specifically asks me to), but that's a huge over simplification in my case. I won't lie and say Stronzo's reinstatement had nothing to do with my backing off for a while but it wasn't the sole, nor even the deciding, factor.

As for your 'I'm not a mod when I say this but will you never be happy with our modding actions??' - don't be so soft. Get your thumb out of your mouth and try to understand the point here. The mods can do what they want, this is a privately owned site and if Rob_E is happy with what is going on that is all that really counts. What I would like to see, though, is some consistency. That is the point I'm trying to make.

It doesn't matter a fig whether I want Stronzo here or not - it isn't my call. The mod team allowed him back. He continued to behave as he wished and that eventually came to light. So the mod team banned him and decided that nothing he posted in contravention of his ban should be left.

You know full well he is over at the other place alternatively whinging about being banned and saying how little he cared for being here at all. So, whether you like it or not, he still has a voice that some members here read. Taking away one post he made, that demonstrates to the general membership here exactly what was banable about him, really makes little sense and is inconsistent with previous behaviour.

big_dirigible came back as odd_fish9 (or similar) and, after a while, started bitching about the site management again - those posts weren't deleted. Dragonfly20 came back as Velvet and had a right go at the moderators in at least one post I read, that wasn't deleted. Those are just two examples off the top of my head. Oh wait - got another one - NIQ160's alter-ego post that was the cause of his banning, not deleted. And another, snoozan's post as snoozan agreeing with WifeofBath in the thread about DC_DEEP's accidental banning. Both those last two intended to disrupt and get the user banned, neither deleted either. So that's 4 examples of opposite behaviour off the top of my head, without searching.

Not deleting posts of returning members is the norm. This episode with Stronzo is inconsistent. Why not just admit it?

What I believe happened is that the one mod on the board at the time the 'offending' post was removed did so arbitrarily and that the rest of you have talked yourselves into agreeing with his action so as not to back pedal. That's what I believe.
 
Well as the other blonde on the team it is precisely for the reason that editing and deleting posts that would leave many threads unintelligible that those posts will not be addressed. On the other hand a single post by a banned individual will continue to be addressed and deleted.

Then that is a new policy. It certainly has not been the case throughout my membership here.
 
Well as the other blonde on the team it is precisely for the reason that editing and deleting posts that would leave many threads unintelligible that those posts will not be addressed. On the other hand a single post by a banned individual will continue to be addressed and deleted.

Then that is a new policy. It certainly has not been the case throughout my membership here.
That's strange because I can tell you that I have seen it happen a number of times. I think what you fail to read is 'single post'. I have also seen a few entire threads removed when started by someone underage, promoting incest, making direct attacks on the {LPSG} site or members, in many cases the threads already had several responses.

What you have trouble with is that single post which had one purpose, {namely to defame this site and certain individuals} was removed. Okay, if it bothers you that much and if your moral standards have been so offended that you cannot abide it, then leave. Nobody is forcing you or me or any of to stay here. i have had my issues with this site and have gone away at times. I have made mention of some issues and yes, even made remarks against some of the moderators~~while defendiing others, with whom I never had a problem. {i was recently asked not to continue doing this on othere sites, especially when I would name a moderator and then mention this site~~although it was a different site, it was rather pre-disruptive in nature in that a person might then come to this site with a sour attitude about how it is run and I understood it at that moment~~I'm slow on the uptake sometiimes, thanks to the mod who advised me for somehow knowing the correct words to break through to me}

And make no mistake, all websites are run by someone or group of someones, iif not the chaotic mess which will accumulate, will destine the site for a messy end. Posters will cease posting, leave, go elsewhere in search of a peaceful coexistence.


I have also seen individual posts removed within a thread when a post is put in which, as before, promotes incest, under age sex {below age 18 for this board according to United States law, {it's not some law made up by Rob_E off the top of his head}}, direct attacks at other posters~~this being a little more vague as there are varying degrees of what constitutes an aggressive or disruptive attack, and other things as well, and may also have the cumulative factor brought in.

Posts are deleted, it is however as nudeyorker stated editing out and deleting all the posts within threads can leave the thread unintelligible. The only solution then would be to delete the entire thread where any returning banned member had posted which would be equally problematic and most likely get more squeals from you and hickb0y and others about the draconian rule here. News flash:::: There are several other sites on the Internet which you can hang out at. Some of them even talk about sex and others about how creatures who once spouted their unyielding love for their partner or the sanity of theiir children are learning to cope in a world where things aren't always as they may want them. Probably a million sites where you could have your say~~although those too would probably do something to offend you.

Maybe you should start your own site where no moderation would ever exist and posts would be thrown in all directions and include tirades against that site which you had formed and the owners~~which would be you~~Giiven past actions of your alleged boyfriend, the site would last 2 days before he blew it up and all that would be left would be his "ban me" threads. As I said, don't like it here, you are free to leave, which would be unfortunate since you have at times created good topical threads. Then again, none of us is unique in ability to create threads, as shown clearly from the repeating of several topics over the years. So, leave or stay, your choice~~same as for me and any and all others. Whining about it ad infinitim is just petulance on the lines of the trough not having the peach flavored water you want so you will stomp around with folded arms and pouting face until someone agrees with you.
 
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I'll tell you now, Ons - I'm not reading that. Sorry - I just can't be arsed with your two-faced, fly by night ranting.

Have a nice day :smile:
Let me sum it up for you, puppet. nudeyorker gave you the information, I indicated he was right and gave quick example.

The truth of why you won't read it, is that you know it contains truth, which scares the hell out of you.
 
Let me sum it up for you, puppet. nudeyorker gave you the information, I indicated he was right and gave quick example.

The truth of why you won't read it, is that you know it contains truth, which scares the hell out of you.
It's not THE truth. It's YOUR truth, which is not the same as THE truth. You don't have the market cornered on reality. :rolleyes:

I read it. It's subjective and practically incoherent.
 
Oh wait - got another one - NIQ160's alter-ego post that was the cause of his banning, not deleted. And another, snoozan's post as snoozan agreeing with WifeofBath in the thread about DC_DEEP's accidental banning. Both those last two intended to disrupt and get the user banned, neither deleted either.
NIC160IQ and Snoozan's alter egos were the cause of their bans rather than in contravention of them so they don't fit the complaint.

Re Velvet = DF, I guess learning to spell was the perfect disguise.


Not deleting posts of returning members is the norm. This episode with Stronzo is inconsistent. Why not just admit it?
Nudey's explanation is consistent.
 
I read it. It's subjective and practically incoherent.
Like most of your b.s. eh?

Facts are what they are Spoleto boy.


Watching the Porky and Petunia shows can be entertaining; but really, the two of you need to get past your inflated senses of superiority. As I also indicate in my earlier post, {and this part was quite coherent} if one or the other or both don't like it here, then leave.
 
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I just wasted 20 minutes of my life reading this tripe.

That sums it up in a concise way.

If the post had been restored, this thread could have been forgotten a month ago.

The excised post can be read in full at another site. Why not post the link?

The man is gone. You got what you wanted. Leave him alone. Don't write about him. Don't acknowledge him. Don't follow him to other sites. Be adults. Move on.