Should there be a warning?
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madame_zora
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Jonb, I am actually trying to make a point, so I'll do that, then express my personal feelings.
What you say makes perfect sense, of course. The point I was trying to make, although admittedly I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about it, is that women haven't LIKED being "just a piece of meat" either, but to many, many men- we are just that! Now, I'm not talking about you personally, or the majority of the enlightened posters on this site, but out there in the real world, it has been the norm and still is in many ways even today.
Now, I have no desire to make a man feel the negative self image feelings that I and other women feel, but I do feel free to talk about what I like physically, just as men do. Some men like larger breasts, some like small perky ones, some like tall women, some like short- but what they all have in common is that they feel perfectly free to talk about women in the PHYSICAL, completely divorced from whether she's "a nice girl". They talk about WHAT physical traits they like in women separate from WHO they would like to spend time with. If you don't do this personally, I commend you, but that hardly negates the rest of the world.
Okay, as for me personally, I like big dicks. No real size requirement, but big. I like them better than small ones, that's my right. I'm not in or looking for a relationship right now, but if I ever do, it will be something I would prefer (sexual preference), not that I would turn my back on someone I felt very compatible with who was of average size. But at my age, the prospect of remaining single is not a bad thing, so I doubt I'd get into a serious relationship unless the guy truly knocked me off my feet in many of my preference areas- otherwise I doubt I'd be willing to give up my freedom. Oh yeah, the rest of the preferences I wouldn't do without are: intelligence, humor, sarcasm, (prefer) tall and thin, not attatched to material possessions, free spirit, strong sex drive, musician, poet or poetry enthusiast, seeker. Oh yeah, hetero too! That's not too tall an order, is it?
*makes plans to learn to crochet so as to fill up empty hours to come...*
What you say makes perfect sense, of course. The point I was trying to make, although admittedly I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about it, is that women haven't LIKED being "just a piece of meat" either, but to many, many men- we are just that! Now, I'm not talking about you personally, or the majority of the enlightened posters on this site, but out there in the real world, it has been the norm and still is in many ways even today.
Now, I have no desire to make a man feel the negative self image feelings that I and other women feel, but I do feel free to talk about what I like physically, just as men do. Some men like larger breasts, some like small perky ones, some like tall women, some like short- but what they all have in common is that they feel perfectly free to talk about women in the PHYSICAL, completely divorced from whether she's "a nice girl". They talk about WHAT physical traits they like in women separate from WHO they would like to spend time with. If you don't do this personally, I commend you, but that hardly negates the rest of the world.
Okay, as for me personally, I like big dicks. No real size requirement, but big. I like them better than small ones, that's my right. I'm not in or looking for a relationship right now, but if I ever do, it will be something I would prefer (sexual preference), not that I would turn my back on someone I felt very compatible with who was of average size. But at my age, the prospect of remaining single is not a bad thing, so I doubt I'd get into a serious relationship unless the guy truly knocked me off my feet in many of my preference areas- otherwise I doubt I'd be willing to give up my freedom. Oh yeah, the rest of the preferences I wouldn't do without are: intelligence, humor, sarcasm, (prefer) tall and thin, not attatched to material possessions, free spirit, strong sex drive, musician, poet or poetry enthusiast, seeker. Oh yeah, hetero too! That's not too tall an order, is it?
*makes plans to learn to crochet so as to fill up empty hours to come...*
As usual Zora makes perfect sense 
For years men have been able to state feely that they prefer women with larger breasts, blonde hair, long legs etc and nobody gives a damn, its perfectly normal to be more attracted to a certain characteristic than another. Yet if a woman dares to admit that she finds men with very large cocks more of a turn on than a guy with a small one, she's automatically branded a slut, whore, nympho etc which is unfair as her preference is due to her hormones, she can't control what turns her on and off.
I myself prefer women with dark hair to blondes, thats not cos I have anything against blonde girls, but dark haired girls have a much more arosuing effect on me, and if I admit that everyone thinks fair enough, thats up to me. Yet if I dare to admit I find white girls more attractive than black girls, which is true, most people seem to have a problem with it. I don't see why, i'm not a racist, white girls just turn me on more. Subjects such as race, penis size etc are taboo in society and any kind of statement which isn't wholeheartedly positive causes a huge reaction, which is ridiculous.
If it was up to me my dream girl would be brunette, brown eyed, smallish, have large breasts and a nice curvy ass. Now personality is far more important to me, if a girl didn't have a nice personality, good sense of humour and make me feel special etc then I wouldn't be interested no matter how she looked. And if I found a girl that had those characteristics then I wouldn't care how he looked, its just that if she happened to look how I listed above then its a nice bonus.
I'm sure if Zora found a nice man who made her feel really special she'd fall for him regardless of his physical attributes. She might secretely prefer him to have a monster swinging between his thighs than a small one, but just cos of this it doesn't mean she'd think of him just as a piece of meat. Its just human nature to have preferences.
I'd prefer for the woman I spend my life with to have a large vagina so that fitting my cock inside her wouldn't be a huge problem (no pun intended) but if she was tight then its not the end of the world, I'd be more than happy to work at it if she would be too. Seeing as that is a purely sexual requirement then by your standards it should make me shallow but I'm not, its just a preference in my ideal world.
I'm all for women being able to admit to liking big cocks without the negative stigma attached to such admissions. There's no shame in it, us big guys need love too lol. Hopefully more women will feel able to admit to this preference from now on, and if they do then I'll be right there waiting to help them make it a reality lol
Just out of curiousity Zora, is there a limit to how big you'd go? Or would you be brave enough to try any size if the man was worth the effort?
For years men have been able to state feely that they prefer women with larger breasts, blonde hair, long legs etc and nobody gives a damn, its perfectly normal to be more attracted to a certain characteristic than another. Yet if a woman dares to admit that she finds men with very large cocks more of a turn on than a guy with a small one, she's automatically branded a slut, whore, nympho etc which is unfair as her preference is due to her hormones, she can't control what turns her on and off.
I myself prefer women with dark hair to blondes, thats not cos I have anything against blonde girls, but dark haired girls have a much more arosuing effect on me, and if I admit that everyone thinks fair enough, thats up to me. Yet if I dare to admit I find white girls more attractive than black girls, which is true, most people seem to have a problem with it. I don't see why, i'm not a racist, white girls just turn me on more. Subjects such as race, penis size etc are taboo in society and any kind of statement which isn't wholeheartedly positive causes a huge reaction, which is ridiculous.
If it was up to me my dream girl would be brunette, brown eyed, smallish, have large breasts and a nice curvy ass. Now personality is far more important to me, if a girl didn't have a nice personality, good sense of humour and make me feel special etc then I wouldn't be interested no matter how she looked. And if I found a girl that had those characteristics then I wouldn't care how he looked, its just that if she happened to look how I listed above then its a nice bonus.
I'm sure if Zora found a nice man who made her feel really special she'd fall for him regardless of his physical attributes. She might secretely prefer him to have a monster swinging between his thighs than a small one, but just cos of this it doesn't mean she'd think of him just as a piece of meat. Its just human nature to have preferences.
I'd prefer for the woman I spend my life with to have a large vagina so that fitting my cock inside her wouldn't be a huge problem (no pun intended) but if she was tight then its not the end of the world, I'd be more than happy to work at it if she would be too. Seeing as that is a purely sexual requirement then by your standards it should make me shallow but I'm not, its just a preference in my ideal world.
I'm all for women being able to admit to liking big cocks without the negative stigma attached to such admissions. There's no shame in it, us big guys need love too lol. Hopefully more women will feel able to admit to this preference from now on, and if they do then I'll be right there waiting to help them make it a reality lol
Just out of curiousity Zora, is there a limit to how big you'd go? Or would you be brave enough to try any size if the man was worth the effort?
madame_zora
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Spank, very eloquently put. I've never been with a guy over 9", so when I say I prefer big ones, I mean anything over about 7 or 7.5. If I was with a guy that was really huge, I would not say no because of it, nomatter what size it was. Until this year, I really had no idea there were men with cocks significantly larger than 9", so it's all new to me. If the guy was fun and nice to me, I would do what I could to accomodate him, I'm sure we'd figure something out.
Also, I want to make clear that I don't stratify men in a "bigger is better" way, i.e. 9" being better than 8" or some shit like that. I just like big ones in general better, and unlike breast size, this affects if I will fully be able to reach orgasm, so there's some practical concern too. Having a larger vagina makes for some really sad sexual experiences. Too many of the old he-gets-off-and-I-get-left-frustrated things for me, so I just started being more honest about my needs. I'm tired of feeling like a sexual social worker, only worrying about my partner and not myself.
Also, I want to make clear that I don't stratify men in a "bigger is better" way, i.e. 9" being better than 8" or some shit like that. I just like big ones in general better, and unlike breast size, this affects if I will fully be able to reach orgasm, so there's some practical concern too. Having a larger vagina makes for some really sad sexual experiences. Too many of the old he-gets-off-and-I-get-left-frustrated things for me, so I just started being more honest about my needs. I'm tired of feeling like a sexual social worker, only worrying about my partner and not myself.
- jonb,
I've seen men act like that. It's gotten to the point that when a man compliments a woman's looks, some women get defensive. I always tell the men who act like that they deserve a chick made of latex.
You forgot available. It's the curse of monogamy: All the decent men are married or gay. Speaking of which, would bi work? Most bi guys end up with a woman over a man anyway because women mean less risk of gaybashing.
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Oh, bi would be grrrrrrrrreeaaattt!!! If in fact he actually WAS bi, and not gay-seeking-permission-by-acting-like-he-likes-women, which is almost always the case. I haven't met more than a very small handful of truly bisexual people in my life, which is a sad disappointment. Despite Kinsey's scale, it really all comes down to what you prefer. Even if vagina is okay, but cock is great- that's not really bisexual, to me. When I say bisexual, I'm thinking it's someone who likes both equally, which is rare. I don't like being with anyone where I feel like I'm their second favorite thing, you know? And for most of the guys that I've been with, I find they're really not into vagina much at all, but want to launch immediately into discussing how and where we're going to find a guy to play with us- Dammit! I'm a full time job in bed, I don't think there's a guy on earth who could give me as much as I want and still have enough to give someone else as well, but me and two bi guys would be a dream come true.
That there is a physical component to the idea that some women like larger guys and that it's not ALL a matter of attitude is something I was somewhat aware of. It makes sense that if there are various size vaginas, there would be some larger and some smaller. I do wonder, though, how influencial a woman's "attitude" is compared to her "physical attributes" in the choices women make.
madame_zora
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Robert, I know most men think "size queens" are just bitches, and in truth, I think most are. For a lot of them, it's just a way to make men feel bad, which is awful. However, these threads are full of stories about larger men and the problems that arise when partnered with women or men who have difficutly accomodating their size, so the reverse is true as well. For someone like me, neither I nor the man I'm with are going to feel much sensation if he is smaller than average and I'm larger, it's the feeling of throwing a hotdog down the hallway. That doesn't make me a bitch, just like having a big dick doesn't make a man rude. These are just physical facts that must be adressed.
- jonb,
Well, Jana, I didn't really mean the "sleeping with women just so he'll be vindicated" type. I'm not even sure how many of them exist. I sometimes think the whole "down low" syndrome's just hype. I mean, sure it happens, especially in strong religious backgrounds, but not as much as you might think. FWIW, 23% of straight men have had a gay experience after the age of 21.
madame_zora
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Jon, I'm sure my experiences have a lot to do with my location, being in the midwest. For some reason, LOTS of not-quite-ready-to-admit-being-gay men go on huge female fuck feasts- it's really weird. I've been with at least seven or eight of them, which is incredible to me. It left me feeling horrible about myself, and I would just beg any man struggling with these feelings not to inflict that kind of pain on someone else.
Now, I'm fully aware that you meant truly bisexual, which I would love, but remains the proverbial unicorn to me. But hell, who knows, I've crossed several boundaries of old this year so anything's possible. I even had a short fling with a 20 yr old guy, which I would have sworn I'd never do, so I guess it's anybody's guess.
Now, I'm fully aware that you meant truly bisexual, which I would love, but remains the proverbial unicorn to me. But hell, who knows, I've crossed several boundaries of old this year so anything's possible. I even had a short fling with a 20 yr old guy, which I would have sworn I'd never do, so I guess it's anybody's guess.
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madame_zora
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I know all about the Midwest. Remember, I spent most of my life in SD.
Trust me: The worst thing for GLBT is the closet homosexual. They nuke a lot of the open ones in the process.
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[/b][/quote]Yeah, I know this, and I hold no grudge against the open ones, to be sure. But anyone in denial about anything is sure to leave a trail of slime in the lives of everyone they encounter. Can we talk more about bi guys now? *pants*
madame_zora
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Originally posted by jonb@Dec 20 2004, 08:44 PM
What about bi guys? I'm actually kinda hungry.
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*Jaw drops to floor, heart palpitations cause near attack, sweat beads up on forehead* I want a bite....
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