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Steroids?
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i was about to say that i'm nailing my tits down to keep them away from your arts & crafts fetish.
...but then i remembered a bdsm video i once saw...nails...tits...table...
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i was about to say that i'm nailing my tits down to keep them away from your arts & crafts fetish.
...but then i remembered a bdsm video i once saw...nails...tits...table...
Seems rather painful... but whatever, some people like this some people like that, different strokes to get sexual satisfaction.
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You know I feel as though you already knew what was in the box. :sad:
Back on topic, here's a post from an "expert" LPSG member, in another thread on the same topic. It's worth a read:
http://www.lpsg.org/making-it-bigger/56869-testosterone-supplements.html#post937152
Pay special attention to the last sentence!
http://www.lpsg.org/making-it-bigger/56869-testosterone-supplements.html#post937152
Pay special attention to the last sentence!
DC,
Here is how I explain my stance on steroids
1. I am definately against kids taking steriods.
2. I am against peole taking them that just started to work out.
3. I am against people taking them that have not reached their genetic potential.
4. I am against uninformed people taking them.
5. I am against people taking them to excess.
I am for educated people with knowledge and self control to use steroids properly.
I agree that the hype against steroids is so bad that it is really hurting potential solutions that the medical community could back.
Truely, a combination of growth hormore and testosterone could be the closest thing we have to the fountain of youth. In menopause, wmoen take estrogen and men take nothing?
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As mentioned by many in this thread, everyone's body chemistry is a bit unique, and nobody can accurately predict what will happen to you when you take steroids.
Here is what has happened to me recently:
I am in my later 40s. 2 months ago I found out that I have low testosterone. An endocrinologist prescribed Testim gel for me. You rub it on your skin once a day, and your skin absorbs testosterone from it, and gradually releases it into your blood stream. I started off with a modest dose; oftentimes the dose will need to be increased to reach a good therapeutic level.
I knew from reading that testiscle shrinkage was a common side effect. Well, it has happened to me much faster than I expected. Within 1 month, my balls had lost what I would estimate to be about 1/3 of their volume! They seem to have stabilized at that size. However, given the prospect of needing to use testosterone long-term, I am not happy about the likelihood that they will stay this way.
I also had a side effect that is apparently not too common. After 1 week, my balls started to hurt quite badly. I had be very careful every time I stood up, sat down, or made any big leg movement. I finally realized that it was not my testicles that were hurting, but some of the other stuff inside my scrotum. After 2 weeks of fairly bad pain, it started to gradually go away, but now, 2 months in, it still hasn't gone away completely. Also, my balls are now pulled up quite tight against my body most of the time. They are very gradually beginning to relax a little more, but nothing like they used to be. They no longer brush against my thighs when I'm warm and should be relaxed. They're hugging the base of my dick too close to to that.
I read a post on another board where another guy had something similar happen. He said that his pain and "elevation" issues went away when he switched from gel to testosterone injections. I don't really want to add needles to my life long-term, but at this point I'm not sure what I will do.
Just a few words about my experience, for whatever it's worth. Be very careful if you do think about putting hormones into your body. Read everything you can find about it, especially from reputable medical sites. Our bodies are remarkably complex, and virtually anything you do will have numerous unintended side effects. Some are minor, but others can be major indeed. You are potentially toying with your future sexual desire and/or ability, your ability to father children, and could screw up other things like your thyroid or adrenal glands.
Don't do this casually. Know what the risks are, and decide whether you're willing to take them or not.
And one more thing. If you get steroids without a prescription, you can be arrested, as that is against the law.
Good luck.
JF
Here is what has happened to me recently:
I am in my later 40s. 2 months ago I found out that I have low testosterone. An endocrinologist prescribed Testim gel for me. You rub it on your skin once a day, and your skin absorbs testosterone from it, and gradually releases it into your blood stream. I started off with a modest dose; oftentimes the dose will need to be increased to reach a good therapeutic level.
I knew from reading that testiscle shrinkage was a common side effect. Well, it has happened to me much faster than I expected. Within 1 month, my balls had lost what I would estimate to be about 1/3 of their volume! They seem to have stabilized at that size. However, given the prospect of needing to use testosterone long-term, I am not happy about the likelihood that they will stay this way.
I also had a side effect that is apparently not too common. After 1 week, my balls started to hurt quite badly. I had be very careful every time I stood up, sat down, or made any big leg movement. I finally realized that it was not my testicles that were hurting, but some of the other stuff inside my scrotum. After 2 weeks of fairly bad pain, it started to gradually go away, but now, 2 months in, it still hasn't gone away completely. Also, my balls are now pulled up quite tight against my body most of the time. They are very gradually beginning to relax a little more, but nothing like they used to be. They no longer brush against my thighs when I'm warm and should be relaxed. They're hugging the base of my dick too close to to that.
I read a post on another board where another guy had something similar happen. He said that his pain and "elevation" issues went away when he switched from gel to testosterone injections. I don't really want to add needles to my life long-term, but at this point I'm not sure what I will do.
Just a few words about my experience, for whatever it's worth. Be very careful if you do think about putting hormones into your body. Read everything you can find about it, especially from reputable medical sites. Our bodies are remarkably complex, and virtually anything you do will have numerous unintended side effects. Some are minor, but others can be major indeed. You are potentially toying with your future sexual desire and/or ability, your ability to father children, and could screw up other things like your thyroid or adrenal glands.
Don't do this casually. Know what the risks are, and decide whether you're willing to take them or not.
And one more thing. If you get steroids without a prescription, you can be arrested, as that is against the law.
Good luck.
JF
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JockFull wrote:
I read a post on another board where another guy had something similar happen. He said that his pain and "elevation" issues went away when he switched from gel to testosterone injections. I don't really want to add needles to my life long-term, but at this point I'm not sure what I will do.
Testosterone injections may, or may not, be right for you. If you decide to go that route you can get used to the needle. Diabetyics do. A friend of mine used to be extremely needle phobic. He started having the same problems, used the gel with basically no effects, then started on the injections within a month or to he became completely nonchalant about it. In my opinion, it's better to take a smaller dose weekly rather than a larger dose every two or three weeks. That's because it is virtually gone out of your system after about six days. If the interval is greater than a week, the fluctuations become very large. Testosterone cypionate does not sting or cause much aching afterwards if given in the butt. Testosterone propionate is a whole other story! I know. I have been down this road. There's no reason why the injections can't be done at home, either by yourself or a friend or family member.
Another possibility is hCG injections. It's a hormone that mimics the signal the pituitary gland sends to the testes to make testosterone. I take that now and find it much more satisfactory because you have natural rather than synthetic tesosterone. It will also bring the testes up to natural size.
Another possibility is Chlomid. It's used to stimulate fertility in women but also can sometimes bring men's testosterone level up to normal levels. In my case it only got me up to the mid 200s. No good. And it's a pill that you should not have trouble getting through many pharmacy plans. To really pursue these options, you need a specialized endocrinologist or a urologist specializing in male fertility issues.
Dave
P.S. taking testosterone will dramatically lower your sperm count but cannot be guaranteed to cause complete sterility. It has been used as a male contraceptive in Australia and Asia. Some doctors have used hCG and hMG to stimulate fertility in men.
Good luck in this. Feel free to PM if you have other questions as I have been around the block.
Dave
Another possibility is hCG injections. It's a hormone that mimics the signal the pituitary gland sends to the testes to make testosterone. I take that now and find it much more satisfactory because you have natural rather than synthetic tesosterone. It will also bring the testes up to natural size.
Another possibility is Chlomid. It's used to stimulate fertility in women but also can sometimes bring men's testosterone level up to normal levels. In my case it only got me up to the mid 200s. No good. And it's a pill that you should not have trouble getting through many pharmacy plans. To really pursue these options, you need a specialized endocrinologist or a urologist specializing in male fertility issues.
Dave
P.S. taking testosterone will dramatically lower your sperm count but cannot be guaranteed to cause complete sterility. It has been used as a male contraceptive in Australia and Asia. Some doctors have used hCG and hMG to stimulate fertility in men.
Good luck in this. Feel free to PM if you have other questions as I have been around the block.
Dave
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Don't bother bro...unless there's millions of dollars involved...I won't anymore.
I have used small cycles of Testosterone though in the past it will increase your sex drive. I am done with that lifestyle though. B.t.w. there should not be permanent shrinkage. Testicles will...but come back in no time with proper recovery procedures.
I have used small cycles of Testosterone though in the past it will increase your sex drive. I am done with that lifestyle though. B.t.w. there should not be permanent shrinkage. Testicles will...but come back in no time with proper recovery procedures.
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excessive use of big macs and donuts wll do more damage. plus you'll look like shit. If your testosterone levels are low then by all means have your doctor percribe them. Otherwise don't bother. By the way steroids won't make you big. You need to put the time in the gym. That's not a lie. -albeit a sometimes mighty attractive one
I think that the worst problem is mis-information given people. Somtimes it comes from people with political adjendas who are grandstanding and looking for publicity and sometimes it comes from information that is not current.
When it comes to the use of male-hormones the first thing any individual needs is to consider the issues and how these affect them personally.
An MD has to be in the picture at least in the beginning so that you the potential user have ALL the information that you need to make an educated decision.
The first thing you need are not one but two separate blood tests for hormone levels. These tests are the serum testosterone level and a second and more important thest called the "free-floating" testosterone level.
Many MD's are very poorly informed on this and there are even a few endocrinologists from the "old school" that are out of the loop as well.
I have for YEARS told male friends in their 20's to have these two tests run when they are in their 20's. The FDA provides for two conditions under which male HRT can be prescribed legally. The first is an arbitrary number under which most men would hormonally qualify as female. By the time one's production gets there, they are already in a great deal of trouble and experiencing symptoms of hypogonadism. The second and most important criteria is that HRT can be prescribed if it is a part of your medical record that you were at one time producing substantially more.
Male HRT is becoming more and more common. It has many medical uses and in men will also assist greatly in treatment of clinical depression when many other more common anti-depressants fail.
The largest dangers in male HRT relate to the MD in question prescribing the wrong testosterone ester for the job.
Currently there are tons of studies going on worldwide with regards to hormone replacement in men. Studies are also under way in several locations with regards to the relationship between prostatic enlargement and testosterone or DHT. There is now some controversy stating that it is NOT the much maligned DHT that is the culprit for creating an enlarged prostate, but is instead a general hormonal imbalance in men as they age.
Here is a basic fact. The greatest percentage of men suffering from BPH are over 60 years old. This is a time when natural testosterone production and its conversion by 5Ar to DHT have dropped substantially.
There are a great number of things now stated as fact that are changing.
When one takes exogenous testosterone (exogenous means that it was made outside the body) the pituitary sees this signal and over time will down-regulate endogenous (your own) testosterone production. This balance is called "the pituitary axis"
One of the largest negatives for testosterone replacement in men is seldom mentioned and this is changes in blood platelets causing a thickening of the blood and requiring blood thinning agents.
The best thing I can relate is that I myself was prescribed both testosterone and HGH many years ago. I had experienced multiple deaths around me almost simultaneously and was under a level of stress and depression that was very severe. After tries with conventional anti-depressants that all failed, I was given HGH and testosterone for 90 days. My depression level lifted substantially by the third day after treatment had started and at the end I slowly tapered off these agents.
There have been many opinions based on peoples life experiences. The best observation is that the real truth lies inside the physiological makeup of each individual.
Remember: If you choose to take something, you yourself have to be confident that you have enough education on the subject to almost qualify as an MD on at least that tiny and narrow band of information. If you don't, continue your research until you do.
The benefits have to exceed the risks and those risks are different for each individual.
Ken
When it comes to the use of male-hormones the first thing any individual needs is to consider the issues and how these affect them personally.
An MD has to be in the picture at least in the beginning so that you the potential user have ALL the information that you need to make an educated decision.
The first thing you need are not one but two separate blood tests for hormone levels. These tests are the serum testosterone level and a second and more important thest called the "free-floating" testosterone level.
Many MD's are very poorly informed on this and there are even a few endocrinologists from the "old school" that are out of the loop as well.
I have for YEARS told male friends in their 20's to have these two tests run when they are in their 20's. The FDA provides for two conditions under which male HRT can be prescribed legally. The first is an arbitrary number under which most men would hormonally qualify as female. By the time one's production gets there, they are already in a great deal of trouble and experiencing symptoms of hypogonadism. The second and most important criteria is that HRT can be prescribed if it is a part of your medical record that you were at one time producing substantially more.
Male HRT is becoming more and more common. It has many medical uses and in men will also assist greatly in treatment of clinical depression when many other more common anti-depressants fail.
The largest dangers in male HRT relate to the MD in question prescribing the wrong testosterone ester for the job.
Currently there are tons of studies going on worldwide with regards to hormone replacement in men. Studies are also under way in several locations with regards to the relationship between prostatic enlargement and testosterone or DHT. There is now some controversy stating that it is NOT the much maligned DHT that is the culprit for creating an enlarged prostate, but is instead a general hormonal imbalance in men as they age.
Here is a basic fact. The greatest percentage of men suffering from BPH are over 60 years old. This is a time when natural testosterone production and its conversion by 5Ar to DHT have dropped substantially.
There are a great number of things now stated as fact that are changing.
When one takes exogenous testosterone (exogenous means that it was made outside the body) the pituitary sees this signal and over time will down-regulate endogenous (your own) testosterone production. This balance is called "the pituitary axis"
One of the largest negatives for testosterone replacement in men is seldom mentioned and this is changes in blood platelets causing a thickening of the blood and requiring blood thinning agents.
The best thing I can relate is that I myself was prescribed both testosterone and HGH many years ago. I had experienced multiple deaths around me almost simultaneously and was under a level of stress and depression that was very severe. After tries with conventional anti-depressants that all failed, I was given HGH and testosterone for 90 days. My depression level lifted substantially by the third day after treatment had started and at the end I slowly tapered off these agents.
There have been many opinions based on peoples life experiences. The best observation is that the real truth lies inside the physiological makeup of each individual.
Remember: If you choose to take something, you yourself have to be confident that you have enough education on the subject to almost qualify as an MD on at least that tiny and narrow band of information. If you don't, continue your research until you do.
The benefits have to exceed the risks and those risks are different for each individual.
Ken
