Suicide at Rutgers

i haven't seen anything on here about Billy Lucas from Indiana.

Teen suicide victim hangs himself from barn rafters

to hear of this happening in our country, let alone the state I live in, breaks my heart. I have been to that town and am so frustrated that this is happening.

Billy Lucas is the boy who inspired Dan Savage to start his "It Gets Better" project. I created a thread about it.

There have been a few more recent suicides by gay boys due to bullying. Such as Asher Brown who was 13 years old.


There's been another one, too. Another 13 year old boy who commited suiced just a few days ago due to bullying over being gay. I suspect that it may happen more often than we're aware of and those stories just don't get the same amount of media attention.
 
I suspect that it may happen more often than we're aware of and those stories just don't get the same amount of media attention.
Far more often than you can imagine. Estimates are somewhere in the neighborhood of five gay youth suicides every day in America. And no, it doesn't make the local news, much less national news.


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I haven't been thinking about the
Perpetrator's so much this week.
I keep on thinking about this guy's
Parents. I can't even begin to know
The pain they must be going through.
 
I'm getting a little tired of this chorus of "he had other options". I think it presumes a lot about Tyler and his state of mind, and it trivializes the extent of the personal violation and emotional pain he must have felt to take his own life.

I have always been an openminded freethinking independent sort, even when I was young. I grew up in a family that was relatively supportive of individuality and not particularly prone to bigotry. When I was about Tyler's age, I was 'outed' to my parents by a family friend. This 'friend' decided to write my parents a letter detailing certain things she had discovered, essentially from spying on me. A copy was mailed simultaneously to me at college out of state. I remember opening my mailbox in the student union. The next thing I knew I was lying in bed clutching a letter, and I had no idea what it said. I must have blacked out in a sense and somehow made it back to my room. I don't know how much time had passed, possibly hours.

For the next several days I moved in a fog of confusion and overwhelming dread, avoiding friends, skipping classes, refusing to respond to concerned phone calls placed to the common dorm phone by my parents. Though I knew a few gay people at school, I coudn't bring myself to talk about it to anyone. Finally I forced myself to do the inevitable, traveling to a phone booth late at night far from campus to place a private call to my parents. After some tears and expressions of concern all around, I came away relieved and feeling supported. Life was good again.

My situation in no way compares with Tyler's or others facing this dilemna. In fact, my story could be a fairytale by comparison. For starters, I didn't consider myself gay, but maybe in an experimental stage of bisexuality. I attached no stigma whatsoever to people who were gay. I wasn't publicly humilated by having my intimate private sexual activities broadcast publicly. I am a strong, resilient person, not given to suicidal thoughts, and not particularly shy. I had a loving family who supported me. And on and on. Still, I remember how helpless, hopeless and paralyzed I felt for several days, how I felt I might never recover from this irreversible turn of events. I have no idea what Tyler's personal circumstances were, how mature he was, what kind of family or other support he may have had in theory, but I somehow doubt that he felt he had the resources and the wherewithal to move forward that I did. I can easily imagine that he felt so mortified, devastated and alone that he thought his only escape was to jump off a bridge.

I think it is presumptuous and a bit condescending to expect some young person one whose mindset you cannot possibly know to respond with detached objectivity and explore "other options". As I said, I think it trivializes the immensity of the tragedy and what we can only speculate he must have been feeling.

And this is why we need the "It Gets Better" project--to let young people know that an earth-shattering, life-changing event like being outed against your wishes in a possibly unsupportive environment can indeed be managed or gotten past (and/or put in context, dealt with via the stages of grief, etc.).

Public opinion is a strong force in our lives, like it or not. And even strongly individualistic personalities can find it difficult to endure ostracism, shunning, or even just being pointed out to others as "that one there, the shameful one."

Yes, of course he had other options. So do all who suicide. But the point isn't that he had other options. The point is that he FELT he had no other option than to take his own life and thereby escape his own private hell.

NCbear (who wonders sometimes whether Psychology 101 made an impact at all in some people's brains :mad::rolleyes:)
 
In an intolerant culture, this will continue. Getting laughs at the expense of gays continues despite all the attempts at raising the level of understanding and empathy. It sickens more than saddens me.
 
I understand what you are saying and not to sound too Polly Anna, but
every group (gay or straight) have good and bad people. I try to ignore the
bad and focus on the good.
 
This whole episode is a horrible, horibble event. I haven't read every post in this thread and excuse me if I'm being redundant but there are alot of problems w/this case...emotionally, rationally and legally.
Emotionally we're all reacting to the immediate story and evidence. Rationally after the emotion we take a step back and go "whobut I dna.." "Lets step back and take a look at the evidence" and legally we ask what are the perpetrators liable for and what SHOULD they be liable for?
Personally I think what the other 2 did is reprehensible but I don't think they made him kill himself. They may have drove him to the bridge but they didn't make him jump off.
I only say that because as a gay guy who grew up way back when it wa even less cool, and I was thrown down flights of stairs and pelted w/rocks (yes) on the way home from school...I think I can't draw a conclusion until everything comes out in court. And of course now that the student is dead we'll never know why so these kids will get off w/some sort of invasion of privacy thing.But I would def. not want to be these two people in the case. Alot of thigs are going to happen probably. Is this an invasion of privacy case? Were they being malignant in the idea of taping and uploading the video? Were they just razzing a friend? My guess is that they weren't even really friends and barely knew each other . Anyway it all sucks and any outcome isn't going to make anyone feel better or be better.
 
I would like to add to all the fucking luncay here and all over the 'net that there are around 100 successful suicides every day in the USA. Being gay is just a small percentage. While I agree that gays are #1 targets of discrimination in society around the world, the fact remains that suicides are going on all day, everyday. What really concerns me is that the internet and the media have evolved these online lynch mobs who think they know everything and have already decided who is guilty or innocent. They are bullies themselves.

I saw a CNN article tonight about the 13 year old girl who killed herself. Her 6 accused bullies and other kids not even involved but that go to the same school are being ridiculed and threatened online and in person because of what happened. It's insanity if that's true, and I believe it. People are really fucking insane.
 
I would like to add to all the fucking luncay here and all over the 'net that there are around 100 successful suicides every day in the USA. Being gay is just a small percentage. While I agree that gays are #1 targets of discrimination in society around the world, the fact remains that suicides are going on all day, everyday. What really concerns me is that the internet and the media have evolved these online lynch mobs who think they know everything and have already decided who is guilty or innocent. They are bullies themselves.

I saw a CNN article tonight about the 13 year old girl who killed herself. Her 6 accused bullies and other kids not even involved but that go to the same school are being ridiculed and threatened online and in person because of what happened. It's insanity if that's true, and I believe it. People are really fucking insane.

It's kind of hard to point the finger to the media...it's just so broad. A person
needs to read both the liberal and the conservative press to get a more accurate picture....somewhere in the middle is most likely the true story.

Well, not to add more hype to this topic than there already is...but by the time it took me to post this msg...two more people just killed themselves
 
So he was found guilty:

Defendant in Rutgers Spying Case Guilty of Hate Crimes

This is such a good thing.
Sadly they say his sentence could be 10 years at most. Maybe a deportation is in the works as well.

But I am glad the jury saw him for what he is and voted him guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty......Guilty on all 15.
 
This story has been covered very closely in the NY metro area. Unfortunately there is no happy ending for anyone, Tyler Clementi's parents stated that prior to the trial they never got a word of apology or a simple condolence from Dharun Ravi... Very sad.
 
It looks as if it's getting tougher to cyberbully. How are the cowards gonna entertain themselves now?

Unfortunately there is no happy ending for anyone, Tyler Clementi's parents stated that prior to the trial they never got a word of apology or a simple condolence from Dharun Ravi... Very sad.
Maybe this is the reason:
Afterward, Mr. Ravi’s mother clutched his arm as he left the courtroom in a swarm of television cameras (src).
 
First, I agree he was guilty of a host of privacy grievances, but was it really a "Hate Crime"?

I'm inclined to agree. Based on the press reports I haven't seen any evidence of a hate crime. I can't see that Ravi would not have done the same thing were his room maye bringing a girl back to his room. As boorish as his behavior was, does anyone really believe he would have been prosecuted but for Clamenti's suicide?

Moreover, Ravi was not convicted of all of the crimes for which he was charged and the jury verdict seened to me to be erratic.