Testosterone injections

[flynn]

Your balls shrink because the T that you are getting is tricking the brain into thinking that there is plenty of T in the body. The brain signals your balls to stop producing T. after a while your balls start to atrophy because they are not functioning

 

[JMeister]

question for you all, i am on testim, costs me $232.00 per month for daily applications.
my insurance will not cover much of it,,, are injections cheaper?
how much does it run you guys for this therapy?

You should be able to get compounded testosterone for $50-$75/month. The challenge is finding a doctor to do it. You might work backwards, i.e. find a compounding pharmacy and ask them for a Dr. recommendation.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Injected testosterone is fine if your body needs it. Best keep an eye on your liver enzyme levels though. Testosterone injections can fuck up your liver fast!

Need to re-check this one my friend. The problem here is misinformation. Testosterone pills are the biggest offender when it comes to liver function. The reason for that is that the liver us used as part of the transport system with this medication to get it to the bloodstream. I can go into "medicaleze" explaining methylated and the positions of carbon atoms but please let's not do that one. Let us just keep it as simple as we can.

The testosterone-liver connection comes from the sport of bodybuilding and the theory that many had that more was always better. Hepatoxicity is possible, but the best guidepost we have are HIV patients as they are tracked. Those not receiving medications for Cholesterol by the 55 gallon drum are not showing marked abnormalities on relatively high dosages. The Statin drugs one takes for cholesterol will raise liver tests as a whole more than a prescribed dose of oral testosterone. Persons on regular tylenol dosages by the way will often also show marked liver test abnormalities in excess of those of oral testosterone replacement. When we do it with testosterone bad bad bad, when we do it with statins OK OK OK. The information you have is simply dated and has been proven to be politically motivated.

 

[starstruck]

Can someone send an email with a NYC doctor that give testosterone correctly ??

Thanks

 

[chicocklarge]

Hey guys.
I have been reading this tread, and I have some questions...
I am 42, belly fat, lethargic, depressed, etc. Just wondering if I am too young to have a low testosterone level. Does anyone know around what age this may start? If I go to my general practitioner and tell him that I think my testosterone level is low, will he laugh or not believe me? Thanks.

 

[meatpackingbubba]

If your doctor laughs when you ask the question, find yourself a new doctor.

The symptoms you list are indicators that you may have low testosterone levels. A simple blood test can determine whether you are testosterone deficient.

 

[JulieInNaplesFL]

Some in there teens have low T. But around 50 or so it starts to effect some guys.

 

[B_jeepguy2]

I am 38 and I had mine checked a couple of years ago and the doc said it was low and put me on testim. The testim has this awful smell and I couldn't stand t so he switched me to Androgel. The stuff causes a bad taste in my mouth (that goes away if I stop using it) and I started breaking out with acne like a teenager, so I finally just decided to stop using it.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Can someone send an email with a NYC doctor that give testosterone correctly ??

Thanks

Admittedly, this part is an absolute pain in the ass. The way to do this is to start doing surveys of Compounding Pharmacies. The ONLY way is to work backward from the places that the medications are being "assembled" and then find out who is prescribing the stuff correctly. Once you see people making major attempts to correct things with both the testosterone itself and in addition the HCG (Gonadotropin) injections self administered you are on the right track.

To do this really well you are in fact a pin cushion and you do need to inject smaller quantities more frequently. Again, also ask which MD's are prescribing DHT as part of the regimen. If you are lucky, in N.Y. State you may find three people who actually do it right in the entire state. Don't expect your search to be an easy one.

The main trick to get it 100% is that the MD in question has to have an entire panel and address all the issues not just the testosterone.

You need the following:
Serum Testosterone
Free Floating Testosterone
FSH level
DHT level
Estrogen Level
Prolactin level.

There are a total of 6 levels that need to be checked and five of those six need to be balanced.

If the serum testosterone level is down the cause needs to be determined. If the FSH level is low the level is down because the pituitary is not telling the testicles to produce it or to produce enough. If the FSH level is above average and the Serum is low the testicles are getting the message but are not longer able to produce well. The Free Floating is what you have available for use. If the Free Floating is low the Serum becomes less important and it is the free floating number that must be raised because you are not processing the Serum Correctly into it's various components. If you have elevated Estrogen levels the testosterone competes for the same receptor sites and the Estrogen can prevent the testosterone from doing what it is supposed to do. If the Estrogen level is high and there is no cause for this (very common) then an anti-estrogen needs to be part of your treatment to allow the testosterone to get the receptor sites instead of the Estrogen. Then finally there is prolactin. Prolactin in a female is used to induce lactation. Males also have prolactin, and in a male it can contribute to gynecomastia along with estrogen, but the major function is as a regulator during intercourse. When a man reaches the point of ejaculation a bolus of prolactin is released and it is this bolus of prolactin that brings the sex to an end. It kills the erection and it creates the post ejaculatory sensitivity issues preventing a male from going on with more sex. High prolactin is also common in men with Erectile Dysfunction and in a percentage is common with aging. It is one of the contributing factors to E.D.. Doing male HRT correctly is of a monumental level of importance and it is a sad fact that so few do it well.

For anyone looking for good treatment you need to start from the back end and work forward. You may have to look in many areas before you find what you truly need.

 

[starstruck]

what is a compounding pharmacy??? how does one find them ??

 

[Infernal]

I've been on testosterone replacement for about a year and a half now. I started with an injection one every two weeks and that worked fine for a while. My energy level came back up, I felt better, and my sex drive came back. The bad part was the acne and no matter how often I showered, I always seemed to have a slight smell. No big deal, just used more deodorant and that kept it under control, and after a few weeks, the acne faded. My testicles shrunk some, but not smashing them even time I sat down was a fair trade off. I also sprouted a forest of hair on my back. Don't really care about that one way or the other. About 6 months ago I spoke to the Dr and told him I didn't like the up and down I was feeling. I felt great after the shot and then it would fade and by the time the next shot was scheduled, I was grouchy. He switched me to the Testim and it has worked really well. The smell didn't bother me, my guy said he actually liked it. I have more energy and my sex drive jumped up to a much higher level.

I think the trick is to be open minded about the treatment and realize you may have to try several different ones to find one that works best with your body chemistry. The shot worked ok for me, the gel worked better.

 

[poultrygeist]

Then finally there is prolactin. Prolactin in a female is used to induce lactation. Males also have prolactin, and in a male it can contribute to gynecomastia along with estrogen, but the major function is as a regulator during intercourse. When a man reaches the point of ejaculation a bolus of prolactin is released and it is this bolus of prolactin that brings the sex to an end. It kills the erection and it creates the post ejaculatory sensitivity issues preventing a male from going on with more sex. High prolactin is also common in men with Erectile Dysfunction and in a percentage is common with aging. It is one of the contributing factors to E.D..

Thanks for the info. What would you recommendation be to lower prolactin levels...and if so, is there anything OTC? I'm led to believe what Lyle McDonald wrote about Bromocriptine as being the only major helper in this regard.

Thanks!

 

[saint_GG]

there is a new option od implanting pellets under your skin..

 

[Pitbull]

Can someone send an email with a NYC doctor that give testosterone correctly ??

Thanks

A good place to start if you need to find a doctor. US News - Top Hospitals.
For endocrinology there are 2 hospitals ranked in the top 20 in NYC
U.S. News Best Hospitals: Diabetes & Endocrinology

what is a compounding pharmacy??? how does one find them ??

Compounding Pharmacy will make the Rx from the basic ingredients for you.
A good example of what they do is to make medicine for kids that have all kinds of flavors.
Can mix together a combination of drugs for injection or single pill to avoid having to take 2 or 3 pills.

Search the internet.
Has to be a few in NYC.
Probably most major metro areas have at least one. And in some not so major areas.
There is one about a mile from my home.
They have a big sign - that is how I know they are there.

 

[deleted556573]

Compounding Pharmacy will make the Rx from the basic ingredients for you.
A good example of what they do is to make medicine for kids that have all kinds of flavors.
Can mix together a combination of drugs for injection or single pill to avoid having to take 2 or 3 pills.

Search the internet.
Has to be a few in NYC.
Probably most major metro areas have at least one. And in some not so major areas.
There is one about a mile from my home.
They have a big sign - that is how I know they are there.

There's one thing I want to add to this, in order to help the guy who you responded to, to find a compounding pharmacy.

Chain pharmacies such as Rite Aid, CVS/pharmacy, Walgreens, etc.. are NOT compounding pharmacies. You'll never find a chain pharmacy that does compounds. Compounding pharmacies are typically independently owned pharmacies. Many hospital pharmacies also do compounds.

I spent many years working in pharmacies. I just wanted to throw that out there, in hopes of helping the poster who was looking for one of these pharmacies to narrow things down a bit.

 

[Pitbull]

Thanks Jump_Start

Here are the websites of two pharmacy organizations that maintain lists of compounding pharmacists.

PCCA - Pharmacy Compounding - Chemicals, Devices, Equipment, Supplies, Consulting, CEUs, Management, Marketing, Training
International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists: Home

I've made it very easy.
I could make it easier by driving him to a drug store,,,

 

[midnite_strokher]

I have been on the T shots for 3 months. I have noticed having more energy, less depression, increased sex drive (with no partner....hands have been busy!!), increase body hair and my T count is back to normal. I get a shot every two weeks.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Hey guys.
I have been reading this tread, and I have some questions...
I am 42, belly fat, lethargic, depressed, etc. Just wondering if I am too young to have a low testosterone level. Does anyone know around what age this may start? If I go to my general practitioner and tell him that I think my testosterone level is low, will he laugh or not believe me? Thanks.

The proper name for low testosterone is "hypogonadism". In males, there is no such thing as an "age" for this condition. There are teenagers who do not have enough testosterone. This is one area I tend to start frothing at the mouth and becoming somewhat like a rabid dog. Most MD's again will wait and wait and wait before instituting therapy if the levels stay in the cellar. I feel grateful that the numbers are small, but guys, there are young males out there who are in their senior years in high school with their MD's still "waiting" to see if it is going to happen. If a kid has not started to develop by 12 or 13 years old this needs to be addressed by a specialist. What is needed is a pediatric endocrinologist. This is NOT a regular MD and not a regular endocrinologist this is a specialist dealing with pubertal development in both males and females.

I need to scream again. To those of you who have no problem at all! Document it with a complete hormone profile! I cannot stress this enough! Under FDA guidelines any MD can prescribe male HRT if there is proof that you had a higher testosterone level. If at age 25 your serum was 750 and now you test is 500 even though you are well over normal minimums, you are low for you and the MD can prove it. Also remember that most MD's disqualify you by testing ONLY serum level. You qualify if your Free Floating is low and your serum is high because that means you are not converting it for usage. You qualify if your T is normal and your DHT is low. It is far more than just a serum T level.

Most MD's don't want to bother with this because they are afraid of being accused of improper Rx's for steroids. If the documentation is there according to FDA guidelines it is NOT an improper prescription.

The best in this field is back in Lansing Michigan, and this guy is right now doing pioneering work in the proper management and regulation on male hormones.

I am researching the man and his work right now and I am going to track him for a while before giving an open "endorsement". So far, what I am seeing from him is absolutely the right thing. By the way before anyone acts he does not accept any medical insurance. Many don't think that being genetically male and having a female hormone profile is a problem. . . .

Will keep you posted as I know more. . . .

 

[589569]

Ken, I want to thank you for your valuable input on this matter. In fact, because of your input, I finally asked my physician about helping me with my low T levels. I'm currently in my 6th week of treatment, and it's working very well for me. I'm looking forward to the future, not dreading it. Thanks

The proper name for low testosterone is "hypogonadism". In males, there is no such thing as an "age" for this condition. There are teenagers who do not have enough testosterone. This is one area I tend to start frothing at the mouth and becoming somewhat like a rabid dog. Most MD's again will wait and wait and wait before instituting therapy if the levels stay in the cellar. I feel grateful that the numbers are small, but guys, there are young males out there who are in their senior years in high school with their MD's still "waiting" to see if it is going to happen. If a kid has not started to develop by 12 or 13 years old this needs to be addressed by a specialist. What is needed is a pediatric endocrinologist. This is NOT a regular MD and not a regular endocrinologist this is a specialist dealing with pubertal development in both males and females.

I need to scream again. To those of you who have no problem at all! Document it with a complete hormone profile! I cannot stress this enough! Under FDA guidelines any MD can prescribe male HRT if there is proof that you had a higher testosterone level. If at age 25 your serum was 750 and now you test is 500 even though you are well over normal minimums, you are low for you and the MD can prove it. Also remember that most MD's disqualify you by testing ONLY serum level. You qualify if your Free Floating is low and your serum is high because that means you are not converting it for usage. You qualify if your T is normal and your DHT is low. It is far more than just a serum T level.

Most MD's don't want to bother with this because they are afraid of being accused of improper Rx's for steroids. If the documentation is there according to FDA guidelines it is NOT an improper prescription.

The best in this field is back in Lansing Michigan, and this guy is right now doing pioneering work in the proper management and regulation on male hormones.

I am researching the man and his work right now and I am going to track him for a while before giving an open "endorsement". So far, what I am seeing from him is absolutely the right thing. By the way before anyone acts he does not accept any medical insurance. Many don't think that being genetically male and having a female hormone profile is a problem. . . .

Will keep you posted as I know more. . . .

 

[D_Langstaff Longstaff]

Ken my man you have literally helped people just by your posting here. As always, thank you again. Look forward to talking to you more when things settle down.