Why are people so angry about circumcision

Are people angry because they have brown eyes instead of blue eyes ? They inherit this from parents.

Are people angry at their parents because tehy are short or ...

Actually it's possible to change brown eyes in blue eyes by laser :Laser Surgery That Can Permanently Change Eye Color | Geekosystem

and to make you taller by surgical leg lenghtening :Short Persons Support: Health : Cosmetic Leg Lengthening

I think anybody would be outraged if these operations would be performed on non consenting children " for their own good " , to boost their self-esteem and avoid them being bullied at school or because blue eyed tall people "look better " !
 
For boys and men, phimosis is almost always curable with simple, gentle, manual foreskin stretching.

Having had several phimotic ( non retractable foreskin ) partners myself , I think they have the hottest dick EVER !

Thinking that every phimotic man will be "cured" and pushed into foreskin stretching makes me very sad ( and frustrated in the future ) !

PHIMOSIS RULES !!!

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And observe that one does NOT need to be circumcised to have a BIG head .

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WHY , OH WHY DESTROY SUCH NATURAL BEAUTIES ?!

Now, sorry, let me disagree with that. I do not think that all this skin flapping around is particularly attractive. I understand that you would like to have your foreskin back, but with regard to esthetics, many people in central and southern Europe think that a convered glans is typical of children and the uncovered glans (also by retraction, not necessarily by circumcision) is typical of adult males. A sort of exception seems to be the UK with its huge mass of low class people that obviously don't care how it is down there. Thus the many tight foreskins thanks to the NHS.
 
I've probably answered this before but, to me, it's the issue of having something(foreskin) and then having it taken away witout my approval. I was a baby, I was defensless. They could do anything to a baby. Let's take one of his nuts. He has two.
 
Are people angry because they have brown eyes instead of blue eyes ? They inherit this from parents.

Are people angry at their parents because tehy are short or not strong enough to win gold at the olympics ?

If a baby were born without foreskin, could he be angry about it ?

I bet you that guys who are cut at birth think they are perfectly normal and have no problems about it until they meet some anti-circer who make his feel bad because he is cut.
I don't understand your analogies. You are born with whatever color eyes you have. You are born with muscles to use however you want.

No male is born without a foreskin.

Even before I came onto this site, I've had enough experience with porn to realize that there are two general types of penises. And yes, I've always had these issues with my penis, and while I've never compared them to my circumcision status, I've only become more educated about myself to find out that's exactly why I have these issues.

I'm sure most circumcised guys are perfectly normal and it's the mere aesthetic values that they dislike. As for me, please explain why else my shaft skin is so tight that it ocassionally pulls my glans down and my scrotum skin up? Why is it so difficult and uncomfortable for me to do something so simple as masturbating without lube, that apparently even cut guys prefer to do?

There certainly are consequences from RIC, but once again, I can only speak for myself.
 
Are people angry because they have brown eyes instead of blue eyes ? They inherit this from parents.

Are people angry at their parents because tehy are short or not strong enough to win gold at the olympics ?

If a baby were born without foreskin, could he be angry about it ?

None of these are things willingly taken away or limited, nor are they things the parents could choose. These analogies make no sense. Unless you mean to argue "things happen to people they can't control, so we can do whatever we want to people"...which is a pretty awful sentiment.

I bet you that guys who are cut at birth think they are perfectly normal and have no problems about it until they meet some anti-circer who make his feel bad because he is cut.

Again, you seem to be dismissing anyone with a preference different than yours as deluded. If not this, what are you arguing? The world would be so much better if you could do whatever you want to people, and they had no way of knowing they had any other option?

Again, you may want to think through these arguments a little before posting them...
 
Now, sorry, let me disagree with that. I do not think that all this skin flapping around is particularly attractive. I understand that you would like to have your foreskin back, but with regard to esthetics, many people in central and southern Europe think that a convered glans is typical of children and the uncovered glans (also by retraction, not necessarily by circumcision) is typical of adult males. A sort of exception seems to be the UK with its huge mass of low class people that obviously don't care how it is down there. Thus the many tight foreskins thanks to the NHS.

I understand that different people have different tastes , but I want to emphasise that prefering an intact penis is prefering a natural penis , while prefering a circumcised penis is prefering a surgically modified penis ...but who am I to judge ?

Also I feel that the glans is an inner organ that should be seen only by your sexual partner to show readiness for intercourse (= in erection ) , not during social life ( gym locker rooms , nude beach ...) where the prepuce provides a kind of natural clothing to protect your modesty .

Finally , the ancient greeks , who's civilisation has always been reputated for it's sophistication and their good taste concerning male physical beauty ( look at their statues : http://www.google.be/search?hl=fr&s....,cf.osb&fp=37aa99c887f844f0&biw=1366&bih=643 ) , valued the beauty of very long foreskins :

Acroposthion.com - Greeks 1

quote :The ancient Greeks certainly knew better and were against the barbaric practice of circumcising their males and possessing a generous foreskin was a significantly important part of their culture. Many pieces of ancient Greek artwork depict scenes of naked men endowed with quite lengthy foreskins. More importantly they practiced the cultivation of the prepuce and the longer the foreskin the more desired it seemed to be whilst a mega [Greek: mega = large] prepuce or very large foreskin was the epitome of a desirable penis. As previously mentioned the term for the generous abundance of foreskin at the end of the penis is called the acroposthion


In his publication for ‘The Bulletin of the history of medicine’ entitled ‘The Ideal Prepuce in Ancient Greece’, Frederick. M Hodges’ documents the preputial aesthetics of the Ancient Greeks, who valued and prized the prepuce on its own merits while simultaneously associating it with other aspects of male beauty. They valued the longer, tapered foreskin as a reflection of a deeper ethos involving cultural identity, morality, propriety, virtue, beauty and health. They also characterized a penis with a short or inadequate foreskin as deficient or defective, especially one that had been surgically removed under their disease concept of lipodermos [Greek = lacking skin].


Preventing unwanted exposure of the glans was a sign of the modesty and decency expected in particular of the older participants in the symposium and the unseemly externalization of the glans in public, that a deficient or loose lipped prepuce was unable to prevent was seen as a disgrace and was the main reason for wearing a kynodesme. The kynodesme, then is a means by which any male so affected can maintain his dignity with in the nude. For those who continuously wore the kynodesme, the resulting traction on the ‘akroposthion’ would have the benefit of permanently elongating it. It is conceivable, then, that the lengthening of the prepuce could have been the primary object, at least in some cases as aesthetics would be improved, and morals preserved.


The intensity with which the Greeks esteemed the prepuce was equalled by the intensity with which they deplored its ablation as practiced in certain communities scattered throughout the south eastern fringes of the known world. The Greeks were highly sceptical about any of the religious rationales used by certain foreigners in an attempt to justify their blood rites of penile reduction through the practice of genital mutilation of various degrees from circumcision to more severe penile mutilations such as amputating the glans to the even more horrifying amputation of the entire penis. They also highlight the association between the circumcised penis (and, therefore, the exposed glans) and the linked concepts of primitiveness, barbarity, backwardness, superstition, and oppression.
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And I forgot to say that while the ancient Greeks in favor of abundant foreskin were preoccupied about male beauty in their arts , the communities in favor of circumcision at the same time ( muslims and jews ) didn't leave any worthwhile paintings or statues celebrating the beauty of the male physique or circumcised penises whatsoever .
 
And I forgot to say that while the ancient Greeks in favor of abundant foreskin were preoccupied about male beauty in their arts , the communities in favor of circumcision at the same time ( muslims and jews ) didn't leave any worthwhile paintings or statues celebrating the beauty of the male physique or circumcised penises whatsoever .

Here I agree!
 
You all miss the point. A decision was made for you. Wouldn't it be better to leave the baby's foreskin and let HIM make the decision when he becomes an adult.
 
You all miss the point. A decision was made for you. Wouldn't it be better to leave the baby's foreskin and let HIM make the decision when he becomes an adult.

Absolutely , and if you read the 10 previous pages of this thread , you'll see that I repeat it endlessly that " my penis , my body = my decision , my choice ".

It's just that now we were debating about the aesthetics of cut/uncut penises .
 
And I forgot to say that while the ancient Greeks in favor of abundant foreskin were preoccupied about male beauty in their arts , the communities in favor of circumcision at the same time ( muslims and jews ) didn't leave any worthwhile paintings or statues celebrating the beauty of the male physique or circumcised penises whatsoever .

I totally agree with most of your anti-circ arguments, dude, but the Muslim faith was established in the 7th century AD, well after the Golden Age of Greece was long gone. Nearly all Greeks by then had converted to Christianity.
 
Having had several phimotic ( non retractable foreskin ) partners myself , I think they have the hottest dick EVER !

Thinking that every phimotic man will be "cured" and pushed into foreskin stretching makes me very sad ( and frustrated in the future ) !

PHIMOSIS RULES !!!
Please don't make hijack this thread by making it about your own personal fetishes. Don't turn my comment into your misreading of it that I meant that boys should be "pushed" into anything. This thread should focus on individual's consent.

If you had phimosis you most likely would be thrilled to know that there is a non-surgical remedy, and very happy to feel that skin gliding up and down your cock when jerking off or getting some action.
 
I totally agree with most of your anti-circ arguments, dude, but the Muslim faith was established in the 7th century AD, well after the Golden Age of Greece was long gone. Nearly all Greeks by then had converted to Christianity.

True .

I was just saying that contrary to the greeks , the muslim culture didn't promote an artistic nude male beauty ideal that would have involved the look of circumcised penises .
 
And observe that one does NOT need to be circumcised to have a BIG head .

Vorhaut 026.jpg - tribe.net

Vorhaut 025.jpg - tribe.net

Vorhaut 024.jpg - tribe.net

WHY , OH WHY DESTROY SUCH NATURAL BEAUTIES ?!

Truly amazing, beautiful intact cocks... Thanks for the links!

I have heard this argument before, that foreskins prevent cockheads from growing to their full capacity. It is a lie.

It's just genetics... many cut men have small heads, the majority of intact cocks that I have had the pleasure of seeing grow hard had large heads.
 
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I totally agree with most of your anti-circ arguments, dude, but the Muslim faith was established in the 7th century AD, well after the Golden Age of Greece was long gone. Nearly all Greeks by then had converted to Christianity.

The Greeks converting to Christianity was no change for their foreskin status.
The Christians were against circumcision, too. Paul's letters to the Galatians left no doubt there.
 
True .

I was just saying that contrary to the greeks , the muslim culture didn't promote an artistic nude male beauty ideal that would have involved the look of circumcised penises .

I see... Well, it is against the laws of the Koran to portray the human figure in art, at all. It is considered to be idol worship by the conservative Muslims, and that is why they justify the destruction of historic art from past cultures in lands that they currently possess.
 
The Greeks converting to Christianity was no change for their foreskin status.
The Christians were against circumcision, too. Paul's letters to the Galatians left no doubt there.

Mandoman, I said absolutely nothing about the Greeks' foreskin status as Christians. We have no argument here.