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As a Republican, I have no problem voting for a black man or black woman. My problem is much deeper than skin in this election. Barack Obama has announced he would "change" America. Yet, he has offered NO explanation. I have a problem with that.

I will be voting for McCain.
 

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Who cares?
Republicans don't actually think thru issues.... they react with fear to threats.

they should change the name of the party to the Boogiemen party...


OOO gay marriage boo!

OOO illegal aliens booo, flag burning woooo, terrorists! yah! terrorists, fortify the dairy queen the terrorists are coming!


MEanwhile...

maybe Barack wants to change the country... what? its a problem for a black man to change the country but its okay for the republican party to spend 8 years overwriting the constitution, violating their oaths of office, building political prisons overseas for the express purpose of denying prisoners due porcess, misappropriating billions of dollars, destroying American credibility and prestige overseas? disposing of Separation of Church and State... one of the founding tenets of American democracy?
DISCARDING HABEUS CORPUS!!!!!!

What? all that didn't count as change?


Maybe he want to change it BACK to the country it was before Republican neocon fascists took control....

or, maybe he want to change it to a country where trivalizing peoples political stances into COLORS is seen as just as racist as categorizing people by the colors of their skin? OR by the gender they prefer?


Maybe, just maybe... America is in NEED of change.

MAybe we should STOP shipping all our jobs to other countries so a handful of shits can drive bentleys?

Maybe we should TAX rich people at the rate they can clearly afford?

Maybe we should turn the national attention away from bullshit issues like illegal immigration and border fence that can never work, away from gay marriage and flag burning and other issues that have no bearing on the economy and world order...
and instead focus on getting off of oil, to solve global warming AND the middle east problem in a single stroke...

Maybe we should change our focus to our crumbling infrastructure and stop allowing ancient religious idiocy to prevent us from developing a leadership position in the NEXT economic powerhouse... biotech.

Maybe we should stop waving our foam fingers and chanting about how we're number one, when in fact we trail most other developed countries in education, health care, life expectancy, infant mortality...

or realize that its not such a great thing to be number one in prison population, gun violence, consumer debt, government debt....


To react Against changing America is ridiculous... America IS changing... like it or not.

We can continue the decline we have been on the last 8 years...
or we can try and take control of the change... stop being divisive and star pulling together for real imporvement.


And the next time some republican politico bitches about the evils of national healthcare...

Consider that every politician in America HAS national healthcare... the best in the world... where they can not be denied coverage for any reason... and are covered for everything...including experimental treatments....
Not to mention their pension plan- that is ten times better than the social security...

Maybe...just maybe the change we should demand is that our politicians takes as good a care of US as they do themselves....


Wake up. Stop being nationalistic sheep.
READ a thing or two.
And THINK.
 

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Who cares?
Republicans don't actually think thru issues.... the react with fear to threats.
they should change the name of the party to the Boogiemen party...
OOO gay marriage boo!
OOO illegal aliens booo, flag burning woooo, terrorists! yah! terrorists, fortify the dairy queen the terrorists are coming!


any hope of logical debate and rhetoric with above author ... flies out the window
 

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As a Republican, I have no problem voting for a black man or black woman. My problem is much deeper than skin in this election. Barack Obama has announced he would "change" America. Yet, he has offered NO explanation. I have a problem with that.

I will be voting for McCain.

Believe you me... he will have a plan... there is ABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBSOLUTELY no need to expose any ideas or plans now.

His campaign is being BRILLIANT run... by leaving it on auto-pilot.... while Hillary (and this is very well documented) thought she'd have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday.. and now she is down to the NY Giants 17-14 with 1:53 left on the clock, and it doesn't look good.

Come summertime, there will be this vague plan, that is bulletproof ... they are working on it now, and will have a few more months to poll and craft...

The bigger/better question is what has he done along the lines he plans to craft, moreover... whom will he put in.

You have to remember what sold Bush to many Republicans was that he was putting in Colin Powell and Dick Cheney... I still recall how elated Republicans were when Cheney got the Veep ticket... there was a slew of rhetoric being that Bush was somewhat unknown but Cheney was a veteran... then followed up by Uncle Colin (whom I still think would slaughter all 3 of these jamokes in a heartbeat).

Whom will Obama surround himself with... and not so much the Veep, but wherein do his old school ties lie in? Sounds awful.. but a bunch of first timers could be JUST what Washington need, and it could also prove quite fatal, but moreover, and most likely incapable and becalmed in the turbulent waters of D.C.
 

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This is a rant but there is one important point in there. Whatever you may think of him and his presidency, George Walker Bush was an instument of change. We may not want or agree with the kind of change he bought about, but Change is what he brought.



Who cares?
Republicans don't actually think thru issues.... they react with fear to threats.

they should change the name of the party to the Boogiemen party...


OOO gay marriage boo!

OOO illegal aliens booo, flag burning woooo, terrorists! yah! terrorists, fortify the dairy queen the terrorists are coming!


MEanwhile...

maybe Barack wants to change the country... what? its a problem for a black man to change the country but its okay for the republican party to spend 8 years overwriting the constitution, violating their oaths of office, building political prisons overseas for the express purpose of denying prisoners due porcess, misappropriating billions of dollars, destroying American credibility and prestige overseas? disposing of Separation of Church and State... one of the founding tenets of American democracy?
DISCARDING HABEUS CORPUS!!!!!!

What? all that didn't count as change?


Maybe he want to change it BACK to the country it was before Republican neocon fascists took control....

or, maybe he want to change it to a country where trivalizing peoples political stances into COLORS is seen as just as racist as categorizing people by the colors of their skin? OR by the gender they prefer?


Maybe, just maybe... America is in NEED of change.

MAybe we should STOP shipping all our jobs to other countries so a handful of shits can drive bentleys?

Maybe we should TAX rich people at the rate they can clearly afford?

Maybe we should turn the national attention away from bullshit issues like illegal immigration and border fence that can never work, away from gay marriage and flag burning and other issues that have no bearing on the economy and world order...
and instead focus on getting off of oil, to solve global warming AND the middle east problem in a single stroke...

Maybe we should change our focus to our crumbling infrastructure and stop allowing ancient religious idiocy to prevent us from developing a leadership position in the NEXT economic powerhouse... biotech.

Maybe we should stop waving our foam fingers and chanting about how we're number one, when in fact we trail most other developed countries in education, health care, life expectancy, infant mortality...

or realize that its not such a great thing to be number one in prison population, gun violence, consumer debt, government debt....


To react Against changing America is ridiculous... America IS changing... like it or not.

We can continue the decline we have been on the last 8 years...
or we can try and take control of the change... stop being divisive and star pulling together for real imporvement.


And the next time some republican politico bitches about the evils of national healthcare...

Consider that every politician in America HAS national healthcare... the best in the world... where they can not be denied coverage for any reason... and are covered for everything...including experimental treatments....
Not to mention their pension plan- that is ten times better than the social security...

Maybe...just maybe the change we should demand is that our politicians takes as good a care of US as they do themselves....


Wake up. Stop being nationalistic sheep.
READ a thing or two.
And THINK.
 

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Not really a rant...
more an American Manifesto.


Washington wrote that America is not, and never shall be a christian nation.
Adams wrote that it shall never be said that this nation was created with any divine inspiration, but was purely the product of reason alone.
Jefferson wrote that the constitution was intended to create a clear and unbreachable wall of separation between church and State.

America is the Constitution, and that's all it is.

To Support and defend it is the oath of office.


Bush, the republican congress and the democrats who backed the patriot act are in violation of their oaths of office.

they should all be arrested for the traitors they are ( yes, that includes Hillary, and every other democrat who voted for the patriot act without so much as reading it)

The glory and hope of the American revolution was that it created, for the first time in history, a SECULAR state.

The rich religious diversity and profound faith to be found uniquely in THIS nation is the result of that secular government.

Time to make patriotism once again synonymous with the constitution... not the bible.

Time to demand our representatives represent the people, and not the wealthy who can afford to pay for their re-election campaigns.

Time to demand that Congress shall have the exact same healthcare and pension plan as they provide their constituents... nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Not really a rant...
more an American Manifesto.


Washington wrote that America is not, and never shall be a christian nation.
Adams wrote that it shall never be said that this nation was created with any divine inspiration, but was purely the product of reason alone.
Jefferson wrote that the constitution was intended to create a clear and unbreachable wall of separation between church and State.

America is the Constitution, and that's all it is.

To Support and defend it is the oath of office.


Bush, the republican congress and the democrats who backed the patriot act are in violation of their oaths of office.

they should all be arrested for the traitors they are ( yes, that includes Hillary, and every other democrat who voted for the patriot act without so much as reading it)

The glory and hope of the American revolution was that it created, for the first time in history, a SECULAR state.

The rich religious diversity and profound faith to be found uniquely in THIS nation is the result of that secular government.

Time to make patriotism once again synonymous with the constitution... not the bible.

Time to demand our representatives represent the people, and not the wealthy who can afford to pay for their re-election campaigns.

Time to demand that Congress shall have the exact same healthcare and pension plan as they provide their constituents... nothing more, nothing less.

much more coherent this time.

Do you think all this will happen? and who will make this happen?
 

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Will Republicans let democrats have a black President?
As a registered republican I would say YES I WOULD. I don't care what race, sex or party they belong to. What I care about is what is it they stand for and do they follow thru with what they say.

I will also say that there is no way in HELL I will ever vote for hillary clinton she is a witch out to get what she feel she deserves. She cares nothing for this country. She ignored her husband in the white house, she flip flop constantly as a senator and her campaign is a joke.
 

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since its conception...

Not true.

The Republican party was originally, remember, the party of Abraham Lincoln. It was made up of abolitionists and opposed by the Federalists.

The Democratic Party used to have a stranglehold on the South. When the Democrats weren't racist enough for some southerners, they formed a splinter party commonly known as the Dixiecrat party, which campaigned on the issue of segregation. Prominent members include former Republican senator Strom Thurmond and Democratic senator Larry Byrd.

It wasn't really until the 1960s that Republicans became synonymous with racism. Racist asshole Thurmond was back with the Democrats after the dissolution of the Dixiecrat party in '48, but he ended up jumping ship and going to the Republicans in 1964 to support Barry Goldwater. This is probably a good sign of when things were changing. As goes Thurmond, so goes bigotry and intolerance.

It was a period of transition. Remember that it was a Republican president in the 1964 that introduced the Civil Rights Act. However, Democrat Johnson's support of that same act has been pointed to by many as the reason for him losing areas of the deep south to Barry Goldwater, even though Goldwater lost the overall election.

Goldwater's strategy to try and bring southern voters into the Republican tent did not win him the presidential election, but it did set a precedent that continues to this day. As the Democratic party continued to alienate racists, conservatives continued to embrace them, mostly by opposing legislation racists would be against. After the Reagan revolution the shift was complete and now southern states are "Red States."

but really this wasn't even that long ago, and could easily change again. Just look at how upset some conservative racist jackasses, like Rush Limbaugh, are at John McCain for supporting fair immigration laws. I have a feeling there might be a schism in the Republican party in the cards similar to what happened with the Democrats/Dixiecrats in the 40s, if McCain is elected and decides to try and push through another "amnesty" bill. Or if he does something unpopular like not publicly condemn homosexuals.
 

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Not true.

The Republican party was originally, remember, the party of Abraham Lincoln. It was made up of abolitionists and opposed by the Federalists.

The Democratic Party used to have a stranglehold on the South. When the Democrats weren't racist enough for some southerners, they formed a splinter party commonly known as the Dixiecrat party, which campaigned on the issue of segregation. Prominent members include former Republican senator Strom Thurmond and Democratic senator Larry Byrd.

It wasn't really until the 1960s that Republicans became synonymous with racism. Racist asshole Thurmond was back with the Democrats after the dissolution of the Dixiecrat party in '48, but he ended up jumping ship and going to the Republicans in 1964 to support Barry Goldwater. This is probably a good sign of when things were changing. As goes Thurmond, so goes bigotry and intolerance.

It was a period of transition. Remember that it was a Republican president in the 1964 that introduced the Civil Rights Act. However, Democrat Johnson's support of that same act has been pointed to by many as the reason for him losing areas of the deep south to Barry Goldwater, even though Goldwater lost the overall election.

Goldwater's strategy to try and bring southern voters into the Republican tent did not win him the presidential election, but it did set a precedent that continues to this day. As the Democratic party continued to alienate racists, conservatives continued to embrace them, mostly by opposing legislation racists would be against. After the Reagan revolution the shift was complete and now southern states are "Red States."

but really this wasn't even that long ago, and could easily change again. Just look at how upset some conservative racist jackasses, like Rush Limbaugh, are at John McCain for supporting fair immigration laws. I have a feeling there might be a schism in the Republican party in the cards similar to what happened with the Democrats/Dixiecrats in the 40s, if McCain is elected and decides to try and push through another "amnesty" bill. Or if he does something unpopular like not publicly condemn homosexuals.



Thanks for that colorful but insightful history in the transformation of the party of Lincoln. Ironically, Lincoln himself was none too fond of the people of color. But like Lyndon Johnson saw the expediency of freedom against the monumental costs of a devastating war.
 

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i think obama will pick up some cross over voters, probably not many but i think there is an appeal to obama with some white people that goes beyond party affiliation

My dad is a hardcore Republican and he likes Obama. He also likes McCain. He's told me he might vote for Obama, and was rooting for him over Hillary in the Virginia primary for certain, but I think in the end he's going to pull the lever for McCain. Especially given that the actual election is still many months off... many months of brainwashing against Obama since he gets all of his news from Fox News and WMLA.
 

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Remember that it was a Republican president in the 1964 that introduced the Civil Rights Act. However, Democrat Johnson's support of that same act has been pointed to by many as the reason for him losing areas of the deep south to Barry Goldwater, even though Goldwater lost the overall election.

Is this what you meant to type, NIC?