circumcision

[Mastur]

With regards to masturbation. I may be circumcised now, but I grew up uncut...

Yes, out of own admission, up until the age of 12? Hardly makes for knowing how it works sexually...

 

[Hoss]

With regards to masturbation. I may be circumcised now, but I grew up uncut, and have read and gree with the anti-circ document by Dr Beauges who .....

Yes, out of own admission, up until the age of 12? Hardly makes for knowing how it works sexually...

You may be confusing SirConcis with another, member ineeduiwantu who says he was done at 12

From October 2007 SirConcis wrote::

I was cut by choice 1.5 years ago. Uncut is to a raw onion what cut is to a onion slightly cooked in butter. The raw onion has much strongor odour/taste, but so much so that it makes your eyes really uncomfortable. The cooked onion is just right and you really enjoy eating it. The extra sensitivity of the uncut glans isn't necessarily good because you can't really stroke it directly or too hard otherwise it isn't comfortable and can hurt. The biggest irony I have found is that my inner foreksin is now more sensitive and more stimulated than when I was uncut. Go tell that to the anti-circ folks. When you have a long foreskin, the inner foreksin is rarely directly stimulated. It takes a while to lose masturbation instincts and adapt to new masturbation techniques. For sex though, the tight skin on.....

then there was ineeduiwant you who wrote a few days ago that he was done at 12.

i was 12 when i was circumcised, so i was fortunate enough to know the joys of wanking with a foreskin. my parents somehow convinced me in wanting to get cut. it was a smooth transition, that by the time of cut day, i was really ready for it.
i now love being cut, not to mention it looks great.

So Mastur, SirConcis who was done in either late 2005 or early 2006 since in Oct.2007 he says a year and a half earlier he was done, was an adult. ineeduiwantu was not however he had experienced masturbating....which really is nowhere at all the same as sex.

 

[Mastur]

You may be confusing SirConcis with another, member ineeduiwantu who says he was done at 12

From October 2007 SirConcis wrote::


then there was ineeduiwant you who wrote a few days ago that he was done at 12.



So Mastur, SirConcis who was done in either late 2005 or early 2006 since in Oct.2007 he says a year and a half earlier he was done, was an adult. ineeduiwantu was not however he had experienced masturbating....which really is nowhere at all the same as sex.

I stand corrected. My apologies. I actually confused the two of you. Easy mistake.

I was circumcised as a child, under age 12. Everything works fine, my sex life has been great, I've not had complaints about my circumcised penis and would not change it. I masturbate, ejaculate, feel pleasure....no problems.

 

[JTalbain]

No...

I mean guys who want to continue to see quarrels over this silly topic and get off on it are annoying.

Well, I for one do not come here to see people fight. I have my beliefs and I present information to support them. I suppose you were referring to Sargon?

I'd be fascinated to hear my arguments regarding RIC.

You don't think circumcision affects sexual sensitivity, judging by the MANY times you have quoted the American Academy of Pediatrics official stance in refutation of evidence showing the contrary. You believe that circumcision prevents HIV, because you've posted the African Hiv prevention/circumcision studies, as well as the WHO's recommendations to circumcise for HIV prevention. Those are the only things you actually bother to post evidence/information for anyways.

I'd actually say your true feelings on RIC are: Don't care, how can I piss people off today? Whatever. In any real debate setting you'd already have been laughed out of the building by now. You weaken the stance of anyone arguing for any benefits of circumcision by your very presence. By all means, continue to spout your nonsense. You only make our job easier.

Of course, you could prove me wrong and actually attempt to refute the Sorrels study. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis - Sorrells - 2007 - BJU International - Wiley Online Library Go on, Sargon! Sorrels is something like 70 years old now. You can take him!

We know you won't though. Between ad hominem attacks on Sorrels, accusations of mental illness, and citations of dated medical stances, you're spent on the subject. Enjoy your time masturbating to self-created conflict in circumcision threads. I suppose when you get sore, I'll see you back in the Politics forum, where you allow yourself to use logic again.

 

[SirConcis]

Nope, there is no one correct way to masturbate. I hold Beaupre in highest regard.
If he said that, he was wrong about it. Your foreskin doesn't get tight because you don't pull it back with every stroke.

Masturbation doesn't cause foreskin to get tight. But proper masturbation can prevent the foreksin from getting tight due to other causes. This is what Beauges advocates.

If everyday, you give your foreskin a good stretch by masturbating with full strokes, it has far less odds of getting tight. If you masturbate without full retraction, then any tightness can remain and progress on the top of foreksin because it isn't stretched every day.

 

[ruggerkit28]

My thoughts are: How much more does the doc. get paid for doing circumcision compared to recommending a cream?

 

[JTalbain]

My thoughts are: How much more does the doc. get paid for doing circumcision compared to recommending a cream?

Adult circumcisions can cost upwards of $1000 or so, but prices vary. I doubt most doctors look at it as a huge source of income though, most probably are just old school and remove the foreskin as a matter of course. The tonsils, appendix, and wisdom teeth all used to get similar treatment. In fact, tonsilectomies and appendectomies used to be performed as preventative medicine as well, removing those parts when no medical indication called for it.

 

[mandoman]

Masturbation doesn't cause foreskin to get tight. But proper masturbation can prevent the foreksin from getting tight due to other causes. This is what Beauges advocates.

If everyday, you give your foreskin a good stretch by masturbating with full strokes, it has far less odds of getting tight. If you masturbate without full retraction, then any tightness can remain and progress on the top of foreksin because it isn't stretched every day.

This, I can agree with.

 

[SirConcis]

Circumcision is simple procedure, especially for doctors confident enough to do it in their office with local anesthesia. Get the circ done, wait 2 weeks to get another visit to make sure it heals well and that's it. The guy can then finish the healing on his own without needing medical attention and his problem is solved.

With creams and what not, this requires more visits to the doctor and may or may not work which may result in a circumcision after many many visits resulting in concuslion that the creams don't work for that case.

So, with circumcision, the doctor gets the patient processed with fewer visits and can move on to other customers. If circumcision or creams don't generate as much revenue as other urology services, then the doctor has less interest in speding much time with foreskin problems.

 

[darkbond007]

Well, I for one do not come here to see people fight. I have my beliefs and I present information to support them. I suppose you were referring to Sargon?

No I meant the OP. He created this post so one such as yourself and Sargon would fight which is happening so the post was successful. Its not like you and Sargon dont know where each stand from the numerous other threads.

 

[darkbond007]

Adult circumcisions can cost upwards of $1000 or so, but prices vary. I doubt most doctors look at it as a huge source of income though, most probably are just old school and remove the foreskin as a matter of course. The tonsils, appendix, and wisdom teeth all used to get similar treatment. In fact, tonsilectomies and appendectomies used to be performed as preventative medicine as well, removing those parts when no medical indication called for it.

My adult circumcision was 400 dollars. My son's was less. Just for context. Having it done in a hospital is more costly like everything else. Private practice is cheaper

 

[D_Miranda_Wrights]

No I meant the OP. He created this post so one such as yourself and Sargon would fight which is happening so the post was successful. Its not like you and Sargon dont know where each stand from the numerous other threads.

Honestly I'm still, several threads later, totally unclear on Sargon's actual argument. I know his opinion, but not so much his argument...

 

[aninnymouse]

Circumcision is simple procedure, especially for doctors confident enough to do it in their office with local anesthesia. Get the circ done, wait 2 weeks to get another visit to make sure it heals well and that's it. The guy can then finish the healing on his own without needing medical attention and his problem is solved.

With creams and what not, this requires more visits to the doctor and may or may not work which may result in a circumcision after many many visits resulting in concuslion that the creams don't work for that case.

So, with circumcision, the doctor gets the patient processed with fewer visits and can move on to other customers. If circumcision or creams don't generate as much revenue as other urology services, then the doctor has less interest in speding much time with foreskin problems.

But the OP doesn't WANT a circumcision. That's the point!

/ugh, people.

 

[D_JoeBitem]

Exactly right!

 

[JTalbain]

No I meant the OP. He created this post so one such as yourself and Sargon would fight which is happening so the post was successful. Its not like you and Sargon dont know where each stand from the numerous other threads.

I'm not here to try to convince Sargon, I'm here to try to balance out his idiocy. There's always the danger that someone will believe him when he spouts something inane. I'd still be on these threads trying to give people information and encourage them to do the right thing, whether or not he was here. Him logging on to try to get a rise out of me won't change that.

Sargon strikes me as being very insecure in his own opinion, and it shows in the way he debates the subject. He doesn't like dealing with facts, because he's savvy enough to realize they're not on his side. Instead he insults people who think differently, tossing insults at them to try to make them lose their cool and get into a shouting match, dragging them down to a level where he can make them look foolish. Then every piece of "evidence" he puts forward is merely someone sharing the same opinion he does, almost as if he needs to be reassured that he's not alone in his way of thinking. For the most part, he's actually stopped responding to me entirely, because I've just started repeatedly shutting him down with the same study just to make a point. Gets kinda boring for him to lose that much I guess.

 

[SirConcis]

The OP may not WANT a circumcision, but that does not mean that whatever condition he has can be cured by means other than circumision.

The anti circers are quick to should their "circumcision is never necessary" without getting any details on the OP's actual condition.

There are conditions where circumcision is really the recommended solution, and there are conditions where other treatments *can* be succesful.

 

[mandoman]

Circumcision should always be the last option. That is because it destroys the most tissue. The other options, stretching, betamethasone cream plus stretching, anti-fungal, and dorsal slit, are all less expensive, and more conservative.
Circumcision is best for frostbite and gangrene.

 

[Titsdude21]

depending on the issue with what is causing the tightness it may be needed.....but it is unlikely. there are stretching tools, and anti "infection" creams. Im no doctor but hydrozol or something would work for most skin infections.
I recommend two showers a day washing it well everytime.

 

[JTalbain]

The OP may not WANT a circumcision, but that does not mean that whatever condition he has can be cured by means other than circumision.

The anti circers are quick to should their "circumcision is never necessary" without getting any details on the OP's actual condition.

There are conditions where circumcision is really the recommended solution, and there are conditions where other treatments *can* be succesful.

If the number of foreskin related maladies that can be cured without circumcision wasn't well over 99%, you might actually have a case. As is, you don't. The OP doesn't want a circumcision, except maybe as a last resort, and you're recommending it "just in case" he's one of those less than .1% or so that might need it in his situation. Diabetes COULD lead to complications where the patient would need to have their legs amputated, but less than 1% of diabetics progress to that point. Do you think they should cut off their legs anyway, just in case they might be one of those unlucky individuals?

 

[SirConcis]

I can't recomment circumcsion for the OP because I don't know what he has. But in the sam vein, the anti circers cannot say his condition does not require circumcision because they do not know what his condition is.