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Why not circumcise them at birth? It'll save them the trouble of having to do it when they are older, circumcision is just better, easy to clean, looks nicer, and that's just the way it is.

I feel the same way. I was just talking to a 35 year old man who was circumsized at 25 and likes it MUCH better.

To each his own!
 

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Why not circumcise them at birth? It'll save them the trouble of having to do it when they are older, circumcision is just better, easy to clean, looks nicer, and that's just the way it is.

Because for 95% of males it is unnecessary. Apart from which, time costs money - who do you expect to pay for it? There's no way that the NHS in Britain would fund such a pointless exercise.

Might as well leave it as routine for Yanks and Canadians, who seem to be the only nations unable to cope with basic personal hygiene where foreskins are concerned. :wink:
 

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When i was born i had a problem, i cant remember what it was called, but my penis was conected to my skin, therefore leading to me having to have surgery, when i was 2.
If you're in the US, you probably didn't have anything the matter with you, the dr just wasn't familiar with a whole penis. The foreskin is naturally attached and may not separate until puberty.
I suppose you could call this circumsision,
Depends what the surgery was, but circumcision is the usual "treatment" for this non-existent "problem".
also people say it is much healthier to be circumsised
If they say that, they're wrong.
 

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Why not circumcise them at birth? It'll save them the trouble of having to do it when they are older, circumcision is just better, easy to clean, looks nicer, and that's just the way it is.
Why not circumcise them at birth? Because, unless there is a pathology, (now listen closely, I'll shout so you can hear me,) THAT IS PERFORMING AN UNNECESSARY COSMETIC SURGERY ON A PERSON WITHOUT THAT PERSON'S PERMISSION. In case you missed it, I'll repeat: THAT IS PERFORMING AN UNNECESSARY COSMETIC SURGERY ON A PERSON WITHOUT THAT PERSON'S PERMISSION.

Now, please give me your definition of (1) better, (2) easy to clean. Finally, "looks nicer" is relative. I like the way natural cocks look. If you prefer the look of uncut, that's your decision - but what gives you the right to make that (permanent) decision for anyone else?
 

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"THAT IS PERFORMING AN UNNECESSARY COSMETIC SURGERY ON A PERSON WITHOUT THAT PERSON'S PERMISSION"

- DC DEEP, you seem to be really hysterical when you are talking about this. I won't guess why, but it's unnecessary.

Please read my post on this, on the first page of the thread.
Why can't you contribute similar points (in reverse), to back up your rant?

It is so not worth reading this anymore, it's clearly too personal and too emotional for some people to handle.
 

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Personally I prefer uncut penises.

I was cut at birth, like almost every boy born in 1960 in the US. I spent years shouting just as loudly as some others have in this thread, but I'm basically over it now. As much as I wish I'd been left alone, I gotta say that I like my penis so much that it doesn't matter.

Partners: for sure, uncut. Me: cut...oh well.
 

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No, not at all! Now, the full-body tattoos on the newborn can present a few difficulties, but it's worth it. They don't feel it, and it saves them the agony of getting tattooed later in life. The facial tattoos have to be carefully cleaned until they heal.

Actually I think the breast implants are the hardest for mom to care for, if we're being frank. You try to find brassieres in 16DD! I hope this infant breast implant thing catches on soon so I can find underthings for my baby more easily.

When i was born i had a problem, i cant remember what it was called, but my penis was conected to my skin, therefore leading to me having to have surgery, when i was 2. I suppose you could call this circumsision, also people say it is much healthier to be circumsised

I have to say, I am so glad my doctor is from a culture that doesn't routinely circumsize. In a lot of cases, even physicians don't know how to care for an intact penis on a child. I've read articles by doctors that say you have to pull back the foreskin and clean the glans from infancy, which is basically just ripping flesh that should be separated gradually. I think advice like this may be part of the reason why so many boys need to be cicumsized as young children.

On the other hand, my Indian doctor gave me really sane advice, telling me to pull it back only as far as it goes easily, otherwise just leave it alone. Also, the biggest problem he's concerned with is that some urine may get between the glans and the prepuce and cause some irritation, which isn't exactly a health crisis that requires surgical intervention.
 

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I wouldn't cut a child if my life depended on it. His body, his choice.


Refreshingly simple.

The overwhelming majority of men in the world have (and have always had) foreskins.

The overwhelming majority of adult men with foreskins are happy with them, and choose not to be circumcised.

Acts of violence against babies are wrong.
 

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There are many reasons boys have been circumcised over the ages, and some of them are:

- religious - Judaism and certain branches of Islam come to mind
- historical - trends come and go
- esthetic - we all have a preference
- cultural - ever notice the extreme variation in rates among countries, and within national boundaries among people of varying backgrounds?
- medical - for some, unfortunately
- familial - ie. your Dad was, so you are
- mythological - any number of legends here
- and personal - we want this for our son
and with the exception of medical need, none of them are good reasons.
For me the worst thing is when cut or uncut guys criticize those who are not like them. We can't help what was done or not done, and let's face it, a dick is a dick, and we love them. There are also advantages to both.
For me, the worst thing is when people justify unethical practices. Just for the record, would you endorse any other routine, unnecessary, cosmetic excision on a (non-consenting) child, or is it only OK if it's part of his cock?
DC DEEP, you seem to be really hysterical when you are talking about this. I won't guess why, but it's unnecessary.

Please read my post on this, on the first page of the thread.
Why can't you contribute similar points (in reverse), to back up your rant?

It is so not worth reading this anymore, it's clearly too personal and too emotional for some people to handle.
I'm not hysterical. I am simply adamant that it is unethical to cut off any part of a person, without that person's informed consent. Answer my questions above, please. Also, if you can justify routine infant circumcision by using the "parents have a right to have their infant sons circumcised", are you saying that the children are property? Does that same argument justify any other type of child abuse? Would it be different if the parents wanted to cut off the baby's ear, instead of his foreskin?
 

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My mother asked if they still do it when I was born in 1985...and the dident...ouff....Im more then happy with my uncut cock and proud they dident did that anymore in 1985...
 

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Why not circumcise them at birth? It'll save them the trouble of having to do it when they are older, circumcision is just better, easy to clean, looks nicer, and that's just the way it is.

why not jsut cut the whole dickoff, and be ken doll smooth down there...
 

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"THAT IS PERFORMING AN UNNECESSARY COSMETIC SURGERY ON A PERSON WITHOUT THAT PERSON'S PERMISSION"

- DC DEEP, you seem to be really hysterical when you are talking about this. I won't guess why, but it's unnecessary.

Please read my post on this, on the first page of the thread.
Why can't you contribute similar points (in reverse), to back up your rant?

It is so not worth reading this anymore, it's clearly too personal and too emotional for some people to handle.
I don't think that DC Deep is hysterical. His message makes it quite clear that he was trying to be emphatic. You do him a disservice by characterizing his statement as a rant.

I read your post on the first page of the thread. No one can argue with a circumcision if it is truly medically necessary, and that does happen, although it is extremely rare in countries that do not practice routine infant circumcision. I also won't argue with circumcision for religious reasons; I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to argue with it.

The balance of the reasons for circumcision that you cite:
There are many reasons boys have been circumcised over the ages, and some of them are:

- religious - Judaism and certain branches of Islam come to mind
- historical - trends come and go
- esthetic - we all have a preference
- cultural - ever notice the extreme variation in rates among countries, and within national boundaries among people of varying backgrounds?
- medical - for some, unfortunately
- familial - ie. your Dad was, so you are
- mythological - any number of legends here
- and personal - we want this for our son
are inadequate reasons for what is essentially cosmetic surgery other than when medically indicated for a pathological condition or for religious reasons.

A male baby being born with a foreskin is NOT a pathological condition in dire need of surgical correction.

Here's a fun fact for you regarding the value of infant circumcision:

"If 1000 well boys are circumcised, 8 infections will be prevented, but 20 will have a complication related to the circumcision. So the risks of circumcision surgery outweigh the benefits."

Source:
The Children's Hospital at Westmead - Parents - Circumcision
 

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I feel the same way. I was just talking to a 35 year old man who was circumsized at 25 and likes it MUCH better.

To each his own!
To each their own? Exactly! Absent a medical condition that requires surgical correction, let each make their own decision.

The 35 year old you cite got to make his own decision. I'm not against any adult doing anything they want along those lines. Let him get cut, pierced and tattooed if he chooses. Just stop inflicting cosmetic surgery on the healthy body parts of male infants who don't get to make that informed choice for themselves.
 

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SteveHD, you missed the point. If you remove the foreskin, then he will never have to wash his penis, ever.

And again, I bring up my point about hygiene: it's a whole lot easier for me to keep my cock clean than it is to keep my teeth clean. With my cock, it's a quick pull the skin back, wet it down, soap it up, rinse it off... it takes about 10 or 15 seconds, once a day (or after heavy work or after sex). For my teeth, it's two minutes of flossing, four minutes brushing, then rinsing... three times a day, minimum... and the flossing isn't really all that pleasant. Then there's the twice-a-year visits to the dentist, cleanings, x-rays. It's expensive, time-consuming, and sometimes painful. By the pre-emptive logic, we should all get all our teeth pulled as soon as they grow in. It would save the possible trouble and discomfort later in life if fillings or crowns or bridges or braces might be needed. You would never have to look at someone with bad teeth, either.

So, pulling all the teeth would have tremendous health, maintenance and aesthetic benefits.

And don't forget the research linking dental plaque to heart disease, hardening of the arteries, and arterial plaque build up...

Congratulations, your's is one of the best "back at you" arguments refuting the "I do(did) it for his health" garbage I've read...
 

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CHEERS to Husky, Lampwick and all...infant circumcision is religious fanaticism; its barbaric. Hell, Castration reduces all kinds of diseases, reduces stress and anxiety and you will live a lot longer. Works for cats and dogs...they are always more relaxed and satisfied...testosterone is hard on the body and is psychologically exhausting and if you havent removed the penis itself there still is some sex drive. Hell, Abraham has got nuthin' on me!
 

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RIC: Scam Surgery Big Time Sexual Crime in America. Americans say they don't want their sons laughed at in the locker room (?) so they disfigure them. The Brits and most of the rest of the world consider this barbaric and criminally stupid. Religious reasons are bad enough but fear of mockery is truly pathetic.