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AMikkell said:
I don't think this helps natives at all. Seperating anyone because of race, in a positive or negative fashion, does harm. Natives have had it rough, but continuing to seperate them just makes it worse. If you want to help them, try to expose what the government is still doing to them.

I know of something happening in Canada, by the Canadian goverment at the Six Nations reservation. The goverment is trying to 'buy' land from the reservation, for some reason I can't fathom, and the natives started protesting. Instead of trying to help, thier neighbors started, of all things, a protest to protest the native protest. I know on this side of the border, our government, specifically the NY state government, which isn't even supposed to deal with the reservation, is trying to tax the reservation, which not only goes against an already signed treaty, but is unconstitutional, as it was specified that natives are not to be taxed. Most people don't know about this, and the people I tell seem to be mostly apathetic, or agree with the government.

Unfortunately, the reservations are too poor to fight these legaly, so most natives are willing to fight this physically.
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Hi AMikkell

I'm not try to "separate" no one i'm not racist...but i do embrace that we are all humans but each of us have the right to celebrate our sooo complexes differences we are uniquely knited inside and out (at least iam)...There are many different peoples groups in this world that have voices and others that are not heard or listen to...i believe that before anything i want to listen what they have to say with their own mouths not listen them by others mouth interpretation of them...i believe in friendship and aceptance by them and learn from them. I celebrate peoples costumes and way to see things and etc...

For sure we must help but i'm respctful enough to know them first and etc and than ask what they need...as you say: many dont know about whats going on...

Acknowledge race complexs variations from the social, historical etc to genetics and racism are different things. We can not distort and confuse what we dont deeply know about peoples...if im doing that sorry - but i'm/will trying to learn...from them.
 
dong20 said:
Remember those races are people. It will be a sad and boring world where we cease to appreciate and celebrate the differences between the various 'flavour' of people without negativity, their disparate beliefs and heritage are a huge part of what makes the world such a fascinating place. I would hate to live in a homogenised world...
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You wrote that so beautifully I simply want to second it.
 
Stronzo said:
You wrote that so beautifully I simply want to second it.
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Sometimes even I manage to get someting even remotely sensible from brain to keyboard unimpeeded. Especially surprising now solong has condemned me....:rolleyes:
 
dong20 said:
Sometimes even I manage to get someting even remotely sensible from brain to keyboard unimpeeded. Especially surprising now solong has condemned me....:rolleyes:
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That, mon vieux, you must take directly from the source and heave it out with yesterday's rubbish. :cool:
 
100% East Indian here.

You know something I always hated the fact that in the States, I had to be called East Indian. Not Indian. And I can't classify myself as Asian either. I mean I'm from Asia for God sakes. Anyway, it must be the way the keepers of the rules of every demographic study ever written like it. So I am condemned to be an East Indian from the Asian Subcontinent, commonly viewed as 'Other'.

As for this crazy argument. I do remember when I was younger, I too had some beef with the English, being Indian and all. But that was before I grew up and got indoctrinated with a western education. Hmmmmm. What shall I do now?

It is a bit silly to blame current nations for grievances of the past. I think it is not silly to blame current nations for grievances of the past that linger and have still not been addressed. The wasting away of natives of various nations by the current governments in place, needs to be resolved. That is just a terrible shame on all of those states.

For good or bad, the English came to India and did very bad things. But now were buddies, and us Indians are better for it. From all of Englands colonies, except America, India managed to retain a good degree of governmental institutions when they left (perhaps because they were there for so long). And now India is the largest Democracy on Earth. So I thank the British.
 
Doc said:
100% East Indian here.
For good or bad, the English came to India and did very bad things. But now were buddies, and us Indians are better for it. From all of Englands colonies, except America, India managed to retain a good degree of governmental institutions when they left (perhaps because they were there for so long). And now India is the largest Democracy on Earth. So I thank the British.
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no offense doc, but dont the indians still employ the caste system? and dont they abuse/neglet the "untouchable" population of india(200 million people,i think)? i saw that report on 60 minutes, and the pics dont lie.

and isnt there a great deal of tension between the brahmin/hindu, muslim and sikh(1984 holocaust) populations?

*but they certainly claim to be the worlds largest democracy.

in reference to this thread: 100% pure gete here(my parents claim no nationality)
 
rhino_horn said:
no offense doc, but dont the indians still employ the caste system? and dont they abuse/neglet the "untouchable" population of india(200 million people,i think)? i saw that report on 60 minutes, and the pics dont lie.

and isnt there a great deal of tension between the brahmin/hindu, muslim and sikh(1984 holocaust) populations?

*but they certainly claim to be the worlds largest democracy.

in reference to this thread: 100% pure gete here(my parents claim no nationality)
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Don't worry no offence taken, but you've got quite a bit of misunderstanding on your side there, and so many points to counter, I think I'll just keep it short by saying that you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV.

As for tension within a country of 1 billion people, that is bound to happen. Just lately in the Hindu-Muslim rioting 10000 Indians died. This was on one train that went up in flames, because some muslims decided to burn it for revenge. This is common occurance in India, where lack of education causes lots of problems and old ethnic division can flame up. That one incident is far more than the number of sikhs killed in the Indira days, so calling that a holocaust is just wrong. Lets remember the US is a first world nation with 300 million people and it has plenty of it's own problems. Multiply that by 3 and add lack of education, you've got India.
The untouchables as a category and the caste along with it got abolished on independance day because of Ghandi. Ghandi's edict still stands, if people don't choose to bide by that, that is another matter and therefore caste issues persist in locations away from the central authority. But as far as the government is concerned, and most Indians, its no longer an issue. Let me remind you not all Indians are Hindu. Caste only applied for them. So your figure of 200 million is seriously inflated.

Democracy means anyone can vote for those they want to lead them. Corruption which is rampant in India and many other countries may marr Democracy, but it does not remove its existance.
 
I am half Italian, a quarter Welsh, and the rest English, German and French-Canadian. So I guess I'm just another European-American mut!
 
Gisella said:
Hi AMikkell

I'm not try to "separate" no one i'm not racist...but i do embrace that we are all humans but each of us have the right to celebrate our sooo complexes differences we are uniquely knited inside and out (at least iam)...There are many different peoples groups in this world that have voices and others that are not heard or listen to...i believe that before anything i want to listen what they have to say with their own mouths not listen them by others mouth interpretation of them...i believe in friendship and aceptance by them and learn from them. I celebrate peoples costumes and way to see things and etc...

For sure we must help but i'm respctful enough to know them first and etc and than ask what they need...as you say: many dont know about whats going on...

Acknowledge race complexs variations from the social, historical etc to genetics and racism are different things. We can not distort and confuse what we dont deeply know about peoples...if im doing that sorry - but i'm/will trying to learn...from them.
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The problem is that noticing differences, of anytype, usually leads to classifications and seperation. Some differences are important, and should lead to seperation, but race isn't one of these. I can understand your desire to learn from people who experienced something, but this isn't something that can be determined by race.

I just realized I forgot to answer the orriginal postes request. I am mostly Irish, with a bit of French and Iroquois.
 
stud_hunter said:
I am half Italian, a quarter Welsh, and the rest English, German and French-Canadian. So I guess I'm just another European-American mut!
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Well Studhunter, assuming those are your legs, that half Italian part makes alot of sense. You seem to have got just the right combination.:biggrin1:
 
These have been interesting conversations, to say the least. I think it is revelant for all to acknowledge differences and for people to genuinely embrace those differences fully. Our uniqueness gives society the neccessary flavor to make our lives rich and moist - not bland and dry.

Granted, there are a lot of disparities and arguments people can drum up about past wrongs. Being an academic and doing significant research on this subject and, consequently working on publications surrounding generational trauma and anger, I feel I could offer lots of different variations or insights to the subject matter, however, I still think those "insights" may have subjective undertones - depending on how the reader interprets or analysis them. Hence, I will leave my theories to myself.

However, I will recommend a book to you to read if interested on further knowledge or detail exploring the psychology behind the "drama," if you will, of post traumatic stress amongst many natives peoples. Dr. Eduardo Duran and his wife, Bonnie are the authors... The book is, "Native American: Postcolonial Psychology." It is out by SUNY Press and was published in 1995, I believe. Be warned... it is an academic read so parts are DRY... :)
 
Half German, half East Indian. Nice to hear from a couple other Indians who had to check the "other" box! It's tough being in America and not being just black or white- most people don't know there are other options.
 
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