Gay Nazis

[absinthium]

AWRIGHTAWRIGHTAWRIGHT, so Hitler had GORGEOUS, CAPTIVATING baby blue eyes. And a perfectly girlish figure, to boot. And his nails were always sumptuously manicured by vampires from Heaven... blahblahblah...
Excuse me for the ignorant slander, but I hope you catch my drift.
If not, I'll spell out what I meant: to me, based on outward appearances alone, he hardly typified the aryan ideal he seemed so very fond of.

So blow it out your hole. The guy was nuts and loved his methamphetamines.

 

[jonb]

There's still the gay panic defense. GPD won't get you acquitted, but giving someone who enters a GPD the same sentence as someone who enters any other insanity plea will make the religious nutjobs vote against you.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by Dominik20@Jun 28 2005, 06:40 PM
Let me say something to this. You maybe know that I'm from Germany. So I hear a lot of those things. The so called neo-nazis here are mostly very uneducated people. It would not surprise me if they don't know what would have happend to most of them in the 30s and 40s here(stupid people where castrated or murdered). I think most of them would have been killed for different reasons in the Nazi Time.
I think there a 100s of books out of this topic, how and why could that all have happened. It can't be explained in some simple sentences I think.
Its not possible to discuss with those people..and its not even woth it.
I would say..just throw them out of here or ignore them completly. As much as you take care of them, as much more they would feel themselves interesting.

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Dominik, I think you hit the nail on the head here. Giving idiots like that an audience just puffs up their egos, the best thing we can do to be rid of such nonsense is to ignore them. If they talk such drivel, we should laugh at them and the stupidity of their ideology, there is no compelling reason to give credibility to hatred. I myself have been guilty of "feeding the trolls" hoping I would gain some understanding of why they feel as they do, but there's never anything interesting going on, just stupid ideas spouting out from simple minds.

 

[jay_too]

So what are the symbolisms of 14 and 88?

clueless

 

[jonb]

88's "heil Hitler". 14's the fourteen words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." At least that's what the ADL says.

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX@Jun 28 2005, 05:47 PM
Did he do ice? I haven't heard that.

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Yup. Watched a special about it last night on the History channel. I've also heard he had syphillis and parkinson's, reached orgasm during his speeches, may or may not have been a hermaphrodite, had sexual performance issues, was a vegetarian, and a painter.

I take most of it with a grain of salt, and think of it as hearsay. To me, the mythology isn't important. Neither is the fact that I've also heard he was supposedly very intelligent. There was something very wrong with his way of thinking, and my original point is that anyone who blindly follows anyone, especially someone as warped as he was, clearly has something inherently wrong with them as well.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jun 28 2005, 08:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jun 28 2005, 08:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Dr Rock@Jun 28 2005, 02:45 PM
grey, actually.

[post=324791]Quoted post[/post]​

Actually, they were steel blue, which aren&#39;t grey.[/b]

nope, I think that if you check out some of the color photos of him and bother reading some descriptions (I think there was a fairly detailed one by that US ambassador who resigned during the 30s), you&#39;ll find there&#39;s nothing blue about &#39;em. hitler&#39;s eyes were commonly described as grey and watery, and the photographic evidence (while not terribly high-quality) does bear that out.

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LOL, huh? Nazism used to be exclusively for Germans, but now it isn&#39;t.

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[/quote]
??? nazism has never been "for" anyone; it&#39;s a political credo designed to place and secure its proponents in power. if you&#39;re referring to the fact that the german nazis believed northern europeans demonstrably "superior" to other races, that&#39;s really neither here nor there. the appeal of fascist ideologies is that they can be easily adapted for any ethnic or social group, and require virtually no thought or logic. for your information, hitler and his pals were much less interested in traditional national boundaries than their own concepts of race - hence their desire to unite the germanic, nordic and gaulic "races" of europe in a single reich.

 

[robertomuro]

Guys and gals, to be frank, there is way to much cr** being spoken here well except for ChimeraTX and Dr Rock. If you want to know what the guys actually think and what it is all about then have a look at http://www.stormfront.org . It is a site which has made the news in many countries many times.

I am not advocating neo-nazism, socialism or whatever one way or the other but this topic seems to have sunk to the depths of people claiming that many of these "nazis" are gay jews and that Hitler was a hermaphrodite. Basically, very little fact. Perhaps I&#39;m to used to more serious forums, dunno.. Don&#39;t hurt me though

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by robertomuro@Jun 29 2005, 10:23 AM
Guys and gals, to be frank, there is way to much cr** being spoken here well except for ChimeraTX and Dr Rock. If you want to know what the guys actually think and what it is all about then have a look at http://www.stormfront.org . It is a site which has made the news in many countries many times.

I am not advocating neo-nazism, socialism or whatever one way or the other but this topic seems to have sunk to the depths of people claiming that many of these "nazis" are gay jews and that Hitler was a hermaphrodite. Basically, very little fact. Perhaps I&#39;m to used to more serious forums, dunno.. Don&#39;t hurt me though

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Well, the topic IS about gay nazis, so I&#39;ll let you draw your own conclusions about what the content is likely to be. This is NOT a white supremacist group nor are there more than maybe two members who have any vague interest in dredging up that shit. We were only speculating as to why any gay guy could join a neonazi group, or even identify with it to look cool. I have no interest in wasting time on their propaganda sites, Hitler was a douche and that&#39;s all I care to impart on the conversation. Anyone who spouts hatred as a viable political format is touched in the head, whether it was drug induced, syphillis or he was just an asshole.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Originally posted by madame_zora+Jun 29 2005, 07:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Jun 29 2005, 07:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-robertomuro@Jun 29 2005, 10:23 AM

[post=324977]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, the topic IS about gay nazis, so I&#39;ll let you draw your own conclusions about what the content is likely to be. This is NOT a white supremacist group nor are there more than maybe two members who have any vague interest in dredging up that shit. We were only speculating as to why any gay guy could join a neonazi group, or even identify with it to look cool. I have no interest in wasting time on their propaganda sites, Hitler was a douche and that&#39;s all I care to impart on the conversation. Anyone who spouts hatred as a viable political format is touched in the head, whether it was drug induced, syphillis or he was just an asshole.

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Madame, I don&#39;t know about the STDs, but there is overwhelming evidence that hitler did indeed use methamphetamine, and of course he was an asshole. By the way, methamphetamine can be manufactured by a number of processes. One of these, which happens to be one of the quickest, easiest, and cheapest, is commonly known as the "nazi process."

People are always going to defend and make excuses for monsters like hitler, ghw and gw bush, idi amin, pol pot, whoever. Does not matter how evil, there will be some idiot who actually thinks their behavior was laudable, acceptable, or at least "understandable given the circumstances."

Back to the original post: any gay individual who identifies himself as a nazi, neonazi, or skinhead is just simply dumber than the scum in the shallow end of the gene pool. Let&#39;s get out the "shock & flock" and clean it up... just an idea.

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by robertomuro@Jun 29 2005, 06:23 AM
I am not advocating neo-nazism, socialism or whatever one way or the other but this topic seems to have sunk to the depths of people claiming that many of these "nazis" are gay jews and that Hitler was a hermaphrodite. Basically, very little fact. Perhaps I&#39;m to used to more serious forums, dunno.. Don&#39;t hurt me though

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K... How many times do I need to do this? Like I said in my post, I don&#39;t actually believe he was a hermaphrodite. There&#39;s a lot of mythology surrounding the man, like any historical figure, especially one so notorious. The point is that he was clearly wrong about many things and it was stupid for people to blindly follow him.

Can I finally stop going over this now? PLEASE? Is that explicit enough? Do you all finally catch my drift?
NO? I&#39;ll try again:
Hitler = bad. People who follow hitler = stupid.

Thank you and good night.

 

[MisterMark]

Actually, my original intent was to learn about the sexual attraction to Naziism that a lot of gay men have. It wasn&#39;t to debate whether or not there are real gay Nazis, or the color of Hitler&#39;s eyes...

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by MisterMark@Jun 29 2005, 01:38 PM
Actually, my original intent was to learn about the sexual attraction to Naziism that a lot of gay men have. It wasn&#39;t to debate whether or not there are real gay Nazis, or the color of Hitler&#39;s eyes...

[post=325055]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, to that end, I did actually go to the link our friend posted earlier for stormfront. I registered, and posted your question.
Maybe going to the source will end all this retarded debate and actually uncover something.

More than likely I&#39;ll just be accused of being a white supremacist.
Don&#39;t worry, folks, thanks to the "one drop rule" they&#39;d never have me, anyhow.

 

[robertomuro]

Originally posted by DC_DEEP+Jun 29 2005, 02:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DC_DEEP &#064; Jun 29 2005, 02:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by madame_zora@Jun 29 2005, 07:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-robertomuro

@Jun 29 2005, 10:23 AM

[post=324977]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, the topic IS about gay nazis, so I&#39;ll let you draw your own conclusions about what the content is likely to be. This is NOT a white supremacist group nor are there more than maybe two members who have any vague interest in dredging up that shit. We were only speculating as to why any gay guy could join a neonazi group, or even identify with it to look cool. I have no interest in wasting time on their propaganda sites, Hitler was a douche and that&#39;s all I care to impart on the conversation. Anyone who spouts hatred as a viable political format is touched in the head, whether it was drug induced, syphillis or he was just an asshole.

[post=324987]Quoted post[/post]​

Madame, I don&#39;t know about the STDs, but there is overwhelming evidence that hitler did indeed use methamphetamine, and of course he was an asshole. By the way, methamphetamine can be manufactured by a number of processes. One of these, which happens to be one of the quickest, easiest, and cheapest, is commonly known as the "nazi process."

People are always going to defend and make excuses for monsters like hitler, ghw and gw bush, idi amin, pol pot, whoever. Does not matter how evil, there will be some idiot who actually thinks their behavior was laudable, acceptable, or at least "understandable given the circumstances."

Back to the original post: any gay individual who identifies himself as a nazi, neonazi, or skinhead is just simply dumber than the scum in the shallow end of the gene pool. Let&#39;s get out the "shock & flock" and clean it up... just an idea.

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I must agree 110% with your last paragraph. As a matter of fact, groups like the KKK (pretty extreme on the neo-nazi type scale) are pretty religious (being christian is compulsory) and are very openly against homosexuality. Not to the point of wanting to kill/hurt them, but you get my drift. Nazi, neo-nazi or whatever do not go togeather with homosexuality unless they just like the image and don&#39;t follow the principles. There are many gays into things like uniforms, leather etc.. perhaps this is just one of those type of things.

Summary: They are either not gay or not a neo-nazi. Most likely the 2nd. This I believe was the original question of this thread before the topic swayed a bit.

 

[robertomuro]

Originally posted by absinthium+Jun 29 2005, 08:33 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(absinthium &#064; Jun 29 2005, 08:33 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MisterMark@Jun 29 2005, 01:38 PM
Actually, my original intent was to learn about the sexual attraction to Naziism that a lot of gay men have. It wasn&#39;t to debate whether or not there are real gay Nazis, or the color of Hitler&#39;s eyes...

[post=325055]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, to that end, I did actually go to the link our friend posted earlier for stormfront. I registered, and posted your question.
Maybe going to the source will end all this retarded debate and actually uncover something.

More than likely I&#39;ll just be accused of being a white supremacist.
Don&#39;t worry, folks, thanks to the "one drop rule" they&#39;d never have me, anyhow.

[post=325065]Quoted post[/post]​

[/b][/quote]

Could you please post a link to your post, I&#39;d like to see the Q and replies.

Thanks

 

[DC_DEEP]

Originally posted by robertomuro+Jun 29 2005, 03:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(robertomuro &#064; Jun 29 2005, 03:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by DC_DEEP@Jun 29 2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by madame_zora@Jun 29 2005, 07:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-robertomuro

@Jun 29 2005, 10:23 AM

[post=324977]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, the topic IS about gay nazis, so I&#39;ll let you draw your own conclusions about what the content is likely to be. This is NOT a white supremacist group nor are there more than maybe two members who have any vague interest in dredging up that shit. We were only speculating as to why any gay guy could join a neonazi group, or even identify with it to look cool. I have no interest in wasting time on their propaganda sites, Hitler was a douche and that&#39;s all I care to impart on the conversation. Anyone who spouts hatred as a viable political format is touched in the head, whether it was drug induced, syphillis or he was just an asshole.

[post=324987]Quoted post[/post]​

Madame, I don&#39;t know about the STDs, but there is overwhelming evidence that hitler did indeed use methamphetamine, and of course he was an asshole. By the way, methamphetamine can be manufactured by a number of processes. One of these, which happens to be one of the quickest, easiest, and cheapest, is commonly known as the "nazi process."

People are always going to defend and make excuses for monsters like hitler, ghw and gw bush, idi amin, pol pot, whoever. Does not matter how evil, there will be some idiot who actually thinks their behavior was laudable, acceptable, or at least "understandable given the circumstances."

Back to the original post: any gay individual who identifies himself as a nazi, neonazi, or skinhead is just simply dumber than the scum in the shallow end of the gene pool. Let&#39;s get out the "shock & flock" and clean it up... just an idea.

[post=324990]Quoted post[/post]​

I must agree 110% with your last paragraph. As a matter of fact, groups like the KKK (pretty extreme on the neo-nazi type scale) are pretty religious (being christian is compulsory) and are very openly against homosexuality. Not to the point of wanting to kill/hurt them, but you get my drift. Nazi, neo-nazi or whatever do not go togeather with homosexuality unless they just like the image and don&#39;t follow the principles. There are many gays into things like uniforms, leather etc.. perhaps this is just one of those type of things.

Summary: They are either not gay or not a neo-nazi. Most likely the 2nd. This I believe was the original question of this thread before the topic swayed a bit.

[post=325085]Quoted post[/post]​

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Thank you for reading my entire post. However, regardless of what anyone says, I will refuse to believe that you can actually distance the image from the ideals and tenets of any group. The big difference between the neo-nazi-type groups and the fetish groups (I can only speak from the viewpoint of the leather fetishists) is that the fetish groups generally tend to espouse welcoming, embracing philosophies. In both the straight and gay leather and BDSM circles, the motto is "safe, sane, and consensual." The neo-nazi types, by contrast, tend to teach exclusion, self-importance, and (I am distilling and paraphrasing here) "we are superior, others have no right to exist." I still say that a "gay skinhead" is a danger to himself, to others, and to society as a whole - moreso than your average garden-variety skinhead.

 

[lacsap1]

Originally posted by MisterMark@Jun 29 2005, 05:38 PM
Actually, my original intent was to learn about the sexual attraction to Naziism that a lot of gay men have. It wasn&#39;t to debate whether or not there are real gay Nazis, or the color of Hitler&#39;s eyes...

[post=325055]Quoted post[/post]​

Mark,

I don&#39;t know how it works in the US, but here in Holland military / army stands for a particularly strict order in society. With the use or appropriation of military / army accessories and clothing this (gay) culture express their opposition to society. Among this gay Nazi style in the context of sado-masochistic plays and sex, uniform pieces serve the connotation of subordination and unlimited power. They are used to exaggerate and overdo the heterosexual image of manliness or Sissi&#39;s. This style consists of a whole range of military garments: army trousers, army boots and Doc Martens worker boots, camouflage prints, cartridge belts and Bomber jackets, also often shaved hair. The aspect of functionality, the price and durability, appropriate to the life in the streets, bars, clubs and darkrooms, plays a very important part in this Nazi style. Ties day even in the club, dance and techno- and house-scene military uniforms are standard techniques of cross-dressing to be fashionable and an instrument of social and sexual competition.

Also don&#39;t forget all the other styles with a strange feeling like;
Punks - Heavy metals - Gothics - Skinheads - New Waves - Hard Core Techno - Gabber - Sportswear skullies - Public Enemy’s combat style and the aggression among the visual language of many gangsta-rappers, etc, etc.
They all are willed to demonstrate aggression, a nationalistic attitude, patriarchal power, group membership and a return to “old values”.

Probably (and hopefully) this is only a confrontation dress style or an S&M game, an aggressive challenge to the traditional order and no real Naziism at all.

Peace.
Lacsap=Pascal

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jun 29 2005, 02:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jun 29 2005, 02:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-absinthium@Jun 29 2005, 01:33 PM
Don&#39;t worry, folks, thanks to the "one drop rule" they&#39;d never have me, anyhow.

[post=325065]Quoted post[/post]​

I think I almost knew.

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[/b][/quote]

???

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by robertomuro+Jun 29 2005, 04:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(robertomuro &#064; Jun 29 2005, 04:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by absinthium@Jun 29 2005, 08:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-MisterMark

@Jun 29 2005, 01:38 PM
Actually, my original intent was to learn about the sexual attraction to Naziism that a lot of gay men have. It wasn&#39;t to debate whether or not there are real gay Nazis, or the color of Hitler&#39;s eyes...

[post=325055]Quoted post[/post]​

Well, to that end, I did actually go to the link our friend posted earlier for stormfront. I registered, and posted your question.
Maybe going to the source will end all this retarded debate and actually uncover something.

More than likely I&#39;ll just be accused of being a white supremacist.
Don&#39;t worry, folks, thanks to the "one drop rule" they&#39;d never have me, anyhow.

[post=325065]Quoted post[/post]​

Could you please post a link to your post, I&#39;d like to see the Q and replies.

Thanks

[post=325088]Quoted post[/post]​

[/b][/quote]

I&#39;m not really getting any pertinent replies yet. Mostly I&#39;m getting a lot of confirmations that, yes, the Nazis did hate gays. I already knew that... I&#39;m hoping to hear from someone who either is gay and identifies with the party, or knows someone who is.
When/if I do get something that comes closer to answering our questions, I&#39;ll gladly post a link.

 

[MisterMark]

I asked an acquaintance of mine who has "88" in his profile on a gay site about all of this. Here&#39;s his response:

"For the vast majority, myself included, it&#39;s the power and uniform that hold the real intrigue."