Heil Hillary!!!

[Ethyl]

Hillary's Dream:tongue:

:rofl:

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

I don't kiss his feet or anyone's for that matter. I've been critical of the Bush administration as well as Clinton's. No president has had a perfect administration and track record, and whomever get elected with not either. And if all the things you mentioned were proven as fact, the Dems would have impeached him by now.

I guess you only kiss his feet on this site? Of course no president has been perfect, but you can't whitewash the Bush attrocities so easily. He's a criminal and needs to be accountable for his actions.

We're apparently doomed whomever we elect.

Not if you Americans get a Democrat in office. With the house full of them, and a majority goverment, some major, long-needed changes can finally be made.

 

[SteveHd]

I guess you only kiss his feet on this site? Of course no president has been perfect, but you can't whitewash the Bush attrocities so easily. He's a criminal and needs to be accountable for his actions.

Extreme viewpoints like that is one reason I stay out of the political threads. O.K. Bush has blundered and bungled around quite a bit and really messed things up but he's isn't a criminal. Sheesh!

Attrocities??? Really!

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

Really.

 

[D_Portelay Porquesword]

I have heard both pro's and con's in regards to Hillary and Obama.
As far as the image of Hillary as Hitler. Having had my own face pasted in a picture of Hitler, it just doesn't seem quite as funny as it should be. I can still appreciate the sentiment, I just didn't laugh quite as loudly. So no serious drama from me on that issue.

Americans have been accused of voting Little George back in office in order to keep the war going, I don't have enough evidence or factual statements to prove that true or false. So I won't attempt to talk out my arse here.

The discussions we were having in my family were more along the lines of "Better the devil you know" Our choices for president quite frankly SUCKED.

The electorate system is antiquated. Just my opinion. Don't get mad at me.

The whole Jeb Bush thing in Florida was a total embarrassment.

Little George needs to be held accountable for war crimes in my estimation. I have read an article about misuse of funds that were allocated for office buildings, the material used was dung.

My nephew and his partner have been audited 3 times in two years they believe for posting their opinions about Bush in the Republican forums.
The truth hurts and it's not pretty.

So all in all, the picture of Hillary as Hitler is just not as funny as it should be. Now if you had put Little George up in there I would have saved it to my drive and used it in my blog. LOL

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

Having had my own face pasted in a picture of Hitler, it just doesn't seem quite as funny as it should be. I can still appreciate the sentiment, I just didn't laugh quite as loudly. So no serious drama from me on that issue.

What jerk did that to you?

 

[faceking]

LMAO. I can't believe you actually wrote that. She's a fake? She has little experience? What fucking planet are you on? Tell me Obama's experience. His resume was read to him on 60 Mintues. There was nothing. He sat like a deer caught in the headlights.

You're a bitter little troll, who's just looking for attention. Blatant flame-bait. Either take the meds, or get off the boards!

Lighten up Francis. I'm not voting for either. I agree Obama has little experience... and is all about 'hope' and 'change' and feel good rhetoric. Not the post though.. start a funny Obama cartoon thread then.

Hillary has been a lawyer and a senator for a whopping 6 years... of which I can safely attest... she's done very little the last few years, because she wanted to play safe for the presidential bid. Whitewater, Rose Law, Travelgate.... where there's smoke there is fire.

She was pro Iraq, pro Patriot Act, etc... then when popular opinion shifted... she was anti-Surge...



On a side note, it looks to be a 3-way race between Senators.... usually that is a death sentence in modern political races... the last Senator to win the presidency was JFK...

LBJ - by default
Nixon - was once a senator, but was 7 years past, VP when he ran
Ford - by default
Carter - governor
Reagan - ex-governor
Bush - VP, various govt positions
Clinton - governor
Bush - governor

 

[D_Portelay Porquesword]

What jerk did that to you?

Someone who consumed a bad lot of Maple syrup on their pancakes.

 

[faceking]

and speaking of senators...

"you" ppl love to talk about Bush's low approval rating... but this is ironic

we are replacing a president with a 30% approval rating, with a (ahem, Democrat-led) congressperson who comes from a body currently with a 16%.

SIXTEEN PERCENT

Sixteen.

Sixteen <<<<<<< Thirty for those with a GED in-tow.

Yowza.

 

[D_Portelay Porquesword]

and speaking of senators...

"you" ppl love to talk about Bush's low approval rating... but this is ironic

we are replacing a president with a 30&#37; approval rating, with a (ahem, Democrat-led) congressperson who comes from a body currently with a 16%.

SIXTEEN PERCENT

Sixteen.

Sixteen <<<<<<< Thirty for those with a GED in-tow.

Yowza.

GED or not.

You or me or anyone in a position to do so, gets up there and even alludes to UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE as Hillary has....watch the number drop and the vipers squirm.

It's a bitch to get that gravy train derailed when there is so much money involved.

Somebody please get up there an do something instead of worrying over silly numbers which could possibly be affected by the influence of media....

Just get it done. Other countries such as England and Canada have these systems in place and I don't read a damn word about the Queen's approval rating!

 

[hotbtminla]

It's not okay to compare Bush to Hitler, but people do it all the time. It is also unquestionably tasteless.

I agree that Hitler comparisons in general are unquestionably tasteless and dangerously overused, because it diminishes and desensitizes people to exactly how truly evil Adolf Hitler was.

I think George W Bush is a colossal fuck-up, but I don't believe he's evil.

Echoing some comments already made, it is okay to compare Bush to an extremist, epic failure of a world leader who produced nothing but disaster. We've all experienced his Presidency and will have to live with the side effects for a long time. Similarly comparing Hillary, Obama or McCain is premature.

And he will continue to get a free pass. It's okay to bash a woman, but not a black man.

Obama gets a free pass because people have had 15 fewer years of being told to hate him, not because he's black.

Shame this election is being hallmarked as a black or woman... when Bush appointed both to one of the most important positions in the country... yet the mainstream media (and markedly the bulk, if not all of this board) was silent. Hypocrisy in it's finest hour.

I'm starting to realize why you throw the word "hypocrite" around so much. Clearly race and gender are hallmarks for you just as much as any of us because you repeatedly bring up Condi Rice like she's a goddamned golden lamb Bush raised up high to the heavens and hollered, "Behold! We don't hate you blacks and womenfolk!" She's not the first black person to hold that job, nor is she the first woman, nor is she the first black woman to hold a Cabinet position. And the mainstream media did make a big deal out of her appointment, your selective memory dial is set too low.

While SecState is of course an important position, it isn't nearly as important as President. A woman or a black person in that role warrants being considered a little more "historic."

Hillary has 35 years of experience of bringing change, providing leadership, and implementing solutions.

Or, at least, she does by the same logic that says George Bush has made America safer. That logic being that if you repeat something enough times it becomes true.

So painfully true, NIC.

Hell yeah he deserves it. He's lucky that he didn't' get impeached... but then it's not too late (hint).

I understand your passion but it's a waste of time and money to impeach Bush. We also have a Democratic Congress that lacks the teeth, gumption or votes to try to pull it off. I suspect history will be a far harsher critic of George W Bush than any censure would be. I just hope he lives a long time so that he has many years to face the total failure that he is.

Since when is dissent not a higher form of patriotism?

QFT

If we elect Obama, our international prestige will be healed in a NANOsecond

I concur, and agree that neither Hillary nor McCain would have the same impact, because he is new and fresh, and they are not. Whether or not Obama can maintain that image remains to be seen, but in the worst case scenario he'd have further to fall than the other two.

Speaking of.... SF's current mayor... love him or hate him... is a LOCK for the US Senator seat in due time. Take it to the bank.

You're actually right on this one. I still think you have a crappy batting average though.

anyone have a copy/link of the cartoon that has cause a stir with the Jyllands Posten Muhammad thing? I've only seen one.

imagine if US Christians acted the same way and started burning every car that had a "Dog As Co-pilot" bumper sticker, or the Darwin-modified Pisces emblem on it.

Faceking, your ignorance is so tiresome at times. Perhaps if it was written into the Bible that images of God or Christ were blasphemy then US Christians (especially US Christians) would be offended enough to react that way. But it's not, and once again you are comparing apples to envelopes.

Hillary's Dream:tongue:

Okay, that one made me laugh.

Lighten up Francis.

To demonstrate that I can still have a sense a humor while debating, that reference damn near made me fall out of my chair.

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

how bout "Hell no! Hilary"

Barak will run but McCain will win. I like barack's charisma but he hasn't said anything of substance.

 

[Shelby]

I disagee. McCain's waay to hawkish to win the general election considering the huge unpopularity of the war.

He might could beat Hillary because she is so universally reviled by Republicans. But Obama? No way.

 

[faceking]

I suspect history will be a far harsher critic of George W Bush than any censure would be.

This is where pro-Bush folk disagree. I think they see the longer term Islamo-facist policy. I mean look... what the hell did the US do for the decade preceeding 9/11 to incite such an event? Rights and war aside... (for a moment) the rules of global engagement were NOT changed by GW Bush... GW Bush did not incite 9/11... I think he took an enough-is-enough stance.. and although the deployment of his policies are in question, I agree with the principle. The more French ppl I run into, the more I see their "enough is enough" stance and appointment of Sarkozy. Odd since the whole Freedom Fries drivel and the French opposition to the Iraq conflict (but keep in mind, French companies were and still are, knee-deep with economic coffers in Iraq before, and thusly the anti-US sponsorship thereof). Thankfully, the Parisians have seen their culture go out the window, and the re-coil of their ultra-PC liberal attitudes hit them in the face, albeit almost too late.

While SecState is of course an important position, it isn't nearly as important as President. A woman or a black person in that role warrants being considered a little more "historic."

But worth a fair share of notoriety. I mean let's look at diversity (which Democrats have seem to pin, errr exploit, to the n'th degree) of Clinton's cabinet vs Bush's.... when Dems do it, it's paramount to what they stand for, when Republicans do it... it's the best person or best affiliate (right or wrong) for the job. Sorry, it is hypocrisy by the mainstream media more often than not... thusly the whole point of Fox News. (note: Fox News is merely a counter to NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, and somewhat ABC)

I concur, and agree that neither Hillary nor McCain would have the same impact, because he is new and fresh, and they are not. Whether or not Obama can maintain that image remains to be seen, but in the worst case scenario he'd have further to fall than the other two.

Image can get old. Clinton's image dried up, but the dot.com boom help an immense amount. Course the VP he picked, Al Gore, invented the Internet, but that's a tired topic that even the DARPAnet forefathers are sick of hearing.

The Economist recent issue has a great headline on Obama "But Could He Deliver?". Right now, noone seems to care... but we're 9 months out. Fanfare and hype will settle into fact and substance.

I don't have a concrete factual stance on Obama... I'm too busy watching the hoopla of women passing out, the empty speeches of positive outlook, the racial debates, the petty bickering between the two campaign offices, and so forth. But goddamn, he'd be a great as a newsanchor for the one of the Big 3. Course McCain's daughter is pretty fuckable... but I digress.

You're actually right on this one. I still think you have a crappy batting average though.

Eh, Dianne Feinstein was a semi-recent SF Mayor... and since I'm accused of anit-Hillary because she's female... I did state I'd be ok with DiFi. Other she's a money-grubbing career politico.

Faceking, your ignorance is so tiresome at times. Perhaps if it was written into the Bible that images of God or Christ were blasphemy then US Christians (especially US Christians) would be offended enough to react that way. But it's not, and once again you are comparing apples to envelopes.

Understand your point here, but need to preface, I wasn't talking about Christians executing religious code, per se... but more so taking action against the offense. I see too often the "coolness" and "humor" in stomping on the balls of Christianity by the left (moreover, here on LPSG), yet their vehement preservation of protection 'minority' beliefs (i.e. Islam). I see some/many declaring Christian-extremism as being a threat for American personal freedoms, and some/many seeing Islamic-extremism as a threat to being merely alive. One wants one group to stay hidden, while the other wants everyone dead. Agree?

I think George W Bush is a colossal fuck-up, but I don't believe he's evil.

Echoing some comments already made, it is okay to compare Bush to an extremist, epic failure of a world leader who produced nothing but disaster.

Pure evil can be manifested in good intentions...
... and the "disaster" is...
[/quote]

Okay, that one made me laugh.

To demonstrate that I can still have a sense a humor while debating, that reference damn near made me fall out of my chair.

Then I sincerely commend you, and hope debate is civil. Someone just PM'd me offline, and I must say I just mentioned to someone that in person and too often here on LPSG you get that so-angry, right-out-of-the-gate namecalling/bitter/resentful... you name it... you can't have a civil conversation. if you knew/saw me... i just calmly slow down... present facts, opinion in a soft tone... but you get the angry "war monger", "baby-eating" rhetoric... a few can, but most throw out angry spoon-fed non-factual claims... a shame.

I always respect one's opinion, so long as it's respectful, logical, and backed.

 

[playainda336]

LMAO. I can't believe you actually wrote that. She's a fake? She has little experience? What fucking planet are you on? Tell me Obama's experience. His resume was read to him on 60 Mintues. There was nothing. He sat like a deer caught in the headlights.

You're a bitter little troll, who's just looking for attention. Blatant flame-bait. Either take the meds, or get off the boards!

Obama's political track record is short, but Hillary's is not much longer. And in a longer time in office, she's done less than Obama has in his two years...that says a lot to me.

I wouldn't call Hillary fake, but she is more "flip flopper" than John Kerry ever was. She says what people WANT to hear. And that scares me.

She's a senator, not a governor. Her role is that of the entire country, not just NY. I think people fail to understand that. No one did more for the 911 workers than Hillary Clinton, especially after everyone was dying of mysterious illnesses. These people were given nothing.

Oh god, not 9/11 again. That was 7 years ago, let's get over it.

Besides, she was supposed to do things for the STATE OF NEW YORK!

The purpose of being a STATE senator is to give the state representation in the Senate. Obviously, she didn't do a good job if issues relative to New York went unheard.

I disagee. McCain's waay to hawkish to win the general election considering the huge unpopularity of the war.

He might could beat Hillary because she is so universally reviled by Republicans. But Obama? No way.

I agree.

 

[Guy-jin]

anyone have a copy/link of the cartoon that has cause a stir with the Jyllands Posten Muhammad thing? I've only seen one.

imagine if US Christians acted the same way and started burning every car that had a "Dog As Co-pilot" bumper sticker, or the Darwin-modified Pisces emblem on it.

Er... a "US Christian" did rip the Darwin emblem off my car and proceed to kick the bumper until it was dented and key it. This was in NorCal, too. I can only imagine the welcome that kind of thing gets in the more psychotic, Fundie areas of this country.

 

[faceking]

You're actually right on this one. I still think you have a crappy batting average though.

I have 4 years of a post .400 average... that's HOF to you.

 

[faceking]

I disagee. McCain's waay to hawkish to win the general election considering the huge unpopularity of the war.

He might could beat Hillary because she is so universally reviled by Republicans. But Obama? No way.

Interesting post... and there's so many you can pull out weeks, months, a year later.

With McCains pro-stance on the fraud of global warming... he must be going for the Hillary votes. Unfortunately, me thinks McCain is being true to his word... after all. He's losing Republican votes by the minute.

dude ASKED to extend his stay in the Hanoi Hilton for a couple of days, errr weeks, errr months, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr YEARS... for his country and brethren.

Obama speaks out of his ass with polish,... McCain isn't afraid to lose his constituency.... everytime I'm annoyed with McCain, I look at Barry... and realize... well.... at least I know what I'm getting. 20 years of the Rev, and he didn't listen much... spare me. McCain has had a proven and better plan than Bush, yet Obama wants to throw up the white flag against the enemy that the Bill Clinton era wrought (nee 9/11)... this is simple math, IMHO. If McCain, was for shutting down the borders, this would be over in the blink of an eye... that, and a few other issues... McCain could do an Obama thing and say what the ppl want to hear vs their TRUE convictions, and I respect him for that ....