Is God against homosexuality?

It's still stupid we talk about a Book that is 2000 years old and have lots of Translations there are words we still didn't know what there are mean.
There are a few hints that gay isnt good in this book, because in 2000 years thinks change, but the focus is on this 3-4 little text things. The book says also that slavery is okay, that women didn't have rights and have to serve for men, but naaah thats not necessary today but the gay thing of course is. Just double Standards
That said, there are still things in the Bible that are applicable to the modern day.

People who say we can discard it all presume they know God's intentions. No human can know the intentions of a being supposedly way more powerful and enlightened than any human can ever be.
 
That said, there are still things in the Bible that are applicable to the modern day.
You can say that about any literature. The Bible is nothing special in that regard.

People who say we can discard it all presume they know God's intentions. No human can know the intentions of a being supposedly way more powerful and enlightened than any human can ever be.
Too bad God can't cure all the problems he created like hurricanes, tornadoes, famine, floods, disease, poverty, the Devil but worry not Christian solders I will save you if you follow my rules and worship me (I am needy and need lowly humans to satisfy my bottomless ego). And don't forget I love you! If you're not a good subservient Christian though I have a special place for you to burn forever and ever.
 
It's still stupid we talk about a Book that is 2000 years old and have lots of Translations there are words we still didn't know what there are mean.
You have no idea how true this is. I’ve read Latin for 6 years (and dabbled a bit in Greek, too) and there are all kinds of nuances, implied meanings, cultural assumptions and such, that you just can’t translate. In the case of the books of the bible, there are duplicates, mistranslations and quite the number of words that simply have been lost in time.


There are a few hints that gay isnt good in this book,
The funny thing is that these instances are tentative at best. And should be considered within the context of the culture, then. The abrahamic monotheist were a minority and thus needed to carve out a niche, distance themselves from their neighbours (something you see all the time). Thus, they needed to reject certain practices that were common in other cultures - such as prostitution.
I’ve read older versions of the ‘bible’ (ie, not in English) and I can’t think of a single instance where same-sex sexuality is unequivocally rejected.

But even if it were: the ‘bible’ is full of contradictions and errors anyway. From a logical point of view, I simply cannot understand why people place so much value on it (and similar/related mythology).
Obviously, I’m not daft. I know full well that is it all about control, power, and a (false) sense of superiority.

because in 2000 years thinks change, but the focus is on this 3-4 little text things. The book says also that slavery is okay, that women didn't have rights and have to serve for men, but naaah thats not necessary today but the gay thing of course is. Just double Standards
Sanctimony is one of the main driving forces behind religion.

Incidentally, I see the word in every submission but which ‘god’ are we talking about? The vindictive, small-minded abrahamic one? One of the many others that our animal species has come up with? Are we referring to a monotheistic god or a polytheistic one? (Ok, the monotheistic one was derived from an earlier polytheistic god, but let’s not mind the details)
 
But even if it were: the ‘bible’ is full of contradictions and errors anyway. From a logical point of view, I simply cannot understand why people place so much value on it (and similar/related mythology).

Of course the Bible is full of seeming contradictions and variations in tone - it was written by different authors over more than a thousand years. That doesn't necessarily undermine the truth it was attempting to grasp.

As an analogy, the history of science is full of failed hypotheses and contradictory models. But would you look to those contradictions over time and conclude that everything ever claimed by science is false?

Obviously, I’m not daft. I know full well that is it all about control, power, and a (false) sense of superiority.

Early Christianity persisted for exactly the opposite reasons. Control and power came from the Roman empire; early Christians held their beliefs in secret because they believed them to be true in spite of persecution.

Sanctimony is one of the main driving forces behind religion.

I could say the same thing about people mocking theists - that they enjoy feeling "superior" by claiming to be rational. Both are just unfounded assertions.

Incidentally, I see the word in every submission but which ‘god’ are we talking about? The vindictive, small-minded abrahamic one? One of the many others that our animal species has come up with? Are we referring to a monotheistic god or a polytheistic one? (Ok, the monotheistic one was derived from an earlier polytheistic god, but let’s not mind the details)

The "which god" question doesn't even make sense. If God doesn't exist, then all religions are trivially false, so there's no reason to believe any of them. But it God does exist, then it's not a question of "which god" - the various religions are all attempts to understand the same God (some perhaps more successfully than others).
 
Too bad God can't cure all the problems he created like hurricanes, tornadoes, famine, floods, disease, poverty, the Devil

What about the good things in the world? Are those not worth being thankful for?

but worry not Christian solders I will save you if you follow my rules and worship me (I am needy and need lowly humans to satisfy my bottomless ego).

That's the exact opposite of the Christian conception of God:

"Christian soldiers" - Jesus forbade his followers to use violence in his name
"follow my rules" - salvation is based on what's in the heart - not by rule-following
"I am needy" - humans are needy; God needs nothing, even in principle
"bottomless ego" - that's the polar opposite of God - in some religions, "personal ego" and "the devil" are considered synonyms
 
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Religion is a crutch for the weak minded..

I don’t need a god or book to tell me certain things

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not steal

Is the two commandments that really matters in my opinion

Is god against homosexuality ..


When I went to church years ago I heard a preacher talk about how god put these thoughts into man’s heads to have sex with each other.. supposedly he didn’t like what he saw .. and removed them thoughts from future men ..

So his will wasn’t done as some of these thoughts stayed inside a man’s head and men were still born with these thoughts in their minds..

Certain empires welcomed homosexuality as they ruled the land ..

Emperors like Caligula welcomed it and considered man to still be a virgin until he had been penetrated by a man’s cock..

Watch the unedited / uncensored version and you will see what I mean


I never worry or care what god thinks..as I don’t think he exists


And if anyone believes in a god that hates his own creation is kind of silly in my opinion
 
But even if it were: the ‘bible’ is full of contradictions and errors anyway. From a logical point of view, I simply cannot understand why people place so much value on it (and similar/related mythology).
The world is a cruel place and the Bible "fixes" all that. The bad will be punished in hell forever, the good will ascend to heaven, the poor triumphs over the rich, and most of all you never die. All the things humans hate God fixes but you have to die first.

All religious beliefs are by nature irrational. It defies logic whether it's gods, angels, demons, miracles or life after death. Religion depends on accepting claims that have no evidence. If someone told you they had a pet dragon that is invisible makes no sound and leaves no trace you would dismiss their claim yet when similar extraordinary claims are made in a religious context they are accepted without question why the double standard?

Religious belief is often rooted in tradition rather than truth. People tend to believe whatever religion they were born into not because they investigated it and found it to be true but because it was taught to them from childhood.

If I told the bank they should loan me a million dollars and for collateral I said I have oil deposits underneath the land and they asked for proof and I'd point them to a Wikipedia page or the Bible asking them to have faith? Anyone would laugh at that. But if it's in the Bible hold on a minute.
 
Of course the Bible is full of seeming contradictions and variations in tone - it was written by different authors over more than a thousand years.
Firstly, it wasn’t that long, and secondly, there are not seeming, but literal contradictions. Where something claimed in one part, is diametrically opposed in the other. Not to mention the remnants of earlier belief systems, that were polytheistic in nature.

That doesn't necessarily undermine the truth it was attempting to grasp.
And what ‘truth’ would that be?

As an analogy, the history of science is full of failed hypotheses and contradictory models. But would you look to those contradictions over time and conclude that everything ever claimed by science is false?

That is hardly an analogy, but I assume you are not familiar with the scientific process. Science is interative.

Comparing mythology to science isn’t just odd, but fundamentally flawed because the underlying motivations are (once again) diametrically opposed.
Early Christianity persisted for exactly the opposite reasons. Control and power came from the Roman empire; early Christians held their beliefs in secret because they believed them to be true in spite of persecution.
I don’t bother with the many flavours of abrahamic monotheism. As said earlier, I disregard the later additions to the ‘bible’ because then it is even more flagrantly apparent that it is one big pile of contradictions. Holding onto their beliefs in secret is hardly unique to ‘christians’, incidentally. The thousands of people who were converted by force in the name of Yeshua**, for instance.

**fun detail, the lores attributed to him are an amalgamation of similar travelling ‘prophets’, which was all the rage in those days. And of course the re-use of non-monotheistic mythology, not to forget. Anything to win over the pagans, right?

I could say the same thing about people mocking theists - that they enjoy feeling "superior" by claiming to be rational. Both are just unfounded assertions.

I only mock those who don’t keep their superstitions to themselves. I personally consider people who ‘teach’ children unfounded nonsense, child abusers, for instance.
I don’t mock people for believing something. I mock them for the sheer audacity that they think that their belief allows them to judge others. Based on absolutely nothing.



The "which god" question doesn't even make sense. If God doesn't exist, then all religions are trivially false, so there's no reason to believe any of them. But it God does exist, then it's not a question of "which god" - the various religions are all attempts to understand the same God (some perhaps more successfully than others).
This is empty semantics, because there are other mono- and polytheistic beliefs that believe in one or more ‘gods’ and they do not recognise the ‘god’ that is presented in the ‘bible’.

Moreover, and this is something always ignored: historical studies show that the root of the abrahamic religions is polytheistic in nature. As I said, they’ve tried to very cleverly curate their books by editing out parts that they found disagreeable, or declaring entire books apocrypha - but they didn’t do a particularly good job. So you still find references to the polytheistic origins. And with more ‘gods’ to choose from, which one are we talking about then?
 
Religion is a crutch for the weak minded..

I don’t need a god or book to tell me certain things

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not steal

Is the two commandments that really matters in my opinion

Is god against homosexuality ..


When I went to church years ago I heard a preacher talk about how god put these thoughts into man’s heads to have sex with each other.. supposedly he didn’t like what he saw .. and removed them thoughts from future men ..

So his will wasn’t done as some of these thoughts stayed inside a man’s head and men were still born with these thoughts in their minds..

Certain empires welcomed homosexuality as they ruled the land ..

Emperors like Caligula welcomed it and considered man to still be a virgin until he had been penetrated by a man’s cock..

Watch the unedited / uncensored version and you will see what I mean


I never worry or care what god thinks..as I don’t think he exists


And if anyone believes in a god that hates his own creation is kind of silly in my opinion
Spot on! I was raised in the church, went to Sunday School, sang in the choir, was "born again". But every time I was in the presence of the pastor, faith healer, deacon, sister, yada yada yada they always felt disingenuous. Fake. Used car salesman. Just buy the product and don't look too hard at it.

Ever been paddled with the churches blessing? I have. They could line us up for paddling day after day if they wanted too and parents had zero say. If you didn't like it leave. "On the wall" the counselors said which meant you had to be leaning against the wall, face to the wall after prayer for a nice firm smack on the behind with the paddle.
 
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Religions are the prime source of evil in this world

Where's your evidence for that statement?

If religion is the source of all evil, why is it cited as the contributing factor of only 5% to 15% of all wars? Why is the Western world so polarized and fraught when it's currently the least religious it's ever been?

I would argue that the prime source of evil is not religion, but the human ego - and the things that come with it: Selfishness, greed, hatred and jealousy.

The ego is what corrupts religion. Take away God, and selfish people will worship something else instead, to worse effect: Money, power, nationalism or themselves.


This is not the type of circle-jerk I ever expected to see on this site :laughing:
 
this type of talk and debate will never be resolved---was those who believe will believe no matter what--and those who dont believe wont be changed either--


but you read in the bible and watch movies based on the bible where god has killed indiscriminantly noahs ark--build an ark there will be 40 days 40 nights of rain to flood out the thousands of people that didnt believe in word---
moses parted the red sea let people through just to let the waters crash b ack down killing hundreds of people--

expect people to believe a woman still a virgin got pregnant--if someone were to say that today they would be put in a padded cell

i googled this-- just to prove millions of people have been killed in name of religion

How Many People Have Been Killed in the Name of Religion?​



How many deaths have been caused by religion? Here's a list of religiously motivated wars and genocides and their death tolls. Let me know if I missed any!
  • The Crusades: 6,000,000
  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
  • Iraq War: 500,000
  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.
 
Firstly, it wasn’t that long, and secondly, there are not seeming, but literal contradictions. Where something claimed in one part, is diametrically opposed in the other. Not to mention the remnants of earlier belief systems, that were polytheistic in nature.

OK, if you're using the date of the "completed" texts without earlier portions, it's something like 840 years. I mentioned "seeming" contradictions not as a defense of the Bible, but because that includes a greater number than only the obvious literal ones.

These details are beside my point - which was "of course it has contradictions".

And what ‘truth’ would that be?

That there exists some spiritual reality beyond the physical world, within which many religions refer to God.

That is hardly an analogy, but I assume you are not familiar with the scientific process. Science is interative.

Comparing mythology to science isn’t just odd, but fundamentally flawed because the underlying motivations are (once again) diametrically opposed.

My studies (high school, college and university) were almost exclusively in the sciences. I know quite well how it works.

The analogy has nothing to do with the underlying motivations or methodology. It's a counter to the assertion that contradictions mean something has no value.

I don’t mock people for believing something. I mock them for the sheer audacity that they think that their belief allows them to judge others. Based on absolutely nothing.

At which point you're just doing exactly the same thing in return. Two wrongs don't make a right.

This is empty semantics, because there are other mono- and polytheistic beliefs that believe in one or more ‘gods’ and they do not recognise the ‘god’ that is presented in the ‘bible’.

This is utterly beside the point. The whole statement is contingent on the phrase "if God exists" - because if God does exist, then the debate of "my god(s) vs your god(s)" becomes a question of which religions (regardless of whether they're monotheistic or polytheistic) present the most accurate interpretation of whatever God actually is. No single religion would be completely accurate, but some would be closer than others.
 
I don’t need studies to know the only thing Christianity promotes is hate .. just like these days.. so much hate going on and people talking about the Bible and how president / government is saviors of us all..


Hate will only cripple any country

Look at other countries fighting and doing things to each other all due to hate
 
How many deaths have been caused by religion? Here's a list of religiously motivated wars and genocides and their death tolls. Let me know if I missed any!
  • The Crusades: 6,000,000
  • Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
  • French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
  • Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
  • Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
  • Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
  • Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
  • Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
  • Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
  • Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
  • Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
  • Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
  • First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
  • Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
  • The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
  • Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
  • Iraq War: 500,000
  • US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
  • Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
  • Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
  • AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
  • Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
  • TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.

You can't be serious. The Holocaust had nothing to do with religion, it was about race - and many of the others in the list had factors other than religion. More generally, geopolitics is by far a bigger cause of war than religion.

If you want to make a claim, you need a credible source to back it up. Here are two:

  • Alan Axelrod's The Encyclopedia of Wars cites religion as the primary factor behind roughly 7% of all known historical conflicts.
  • Matthew White's compilation of the 100 worst atrocities of human history (in The Great Big Book of Horrible Things) cites religion as the primary cause of 11 of them.
The idea that religion causes most wars and deaths is a myth that's demonstrably false.
 
I don’t need studies to know the only thing Christianity promotes is hate .. just like these days.. so much hate going on and people talking about the Bible and how president / government is saviors of us all..

Hate will only cripple any country

Look at other countries fighting and doing things to each other all due to hate

I agree that hatred is one of the biggest problems of our time, and that no good ever comes from it.

But if Jesus said that the greatest commandment above all others is to love, then when Christians show hatred they're disobeying their own religion.
 
Exactly .. there’s so many of them judging others but the Bible states. .” He who has not committed sin cast the first stone.. that thee will be judged as they have judged others”


I can’t say much about when I quit going to church .. but when I did quit my mom didn’t blame me.. and couple other family members
 
Religions are the prime source of evil in this world
The good things of this world that happen is something to be thankful for.. but I’m not going to sit around and say all that’s good is given to thee by god and all that’s bad is given to thee by satan

Need remind you .. satan / Lucifer was a angel before god banished him into the pits of fire and named it Hell..

Lucifer was an angel that didn’t believe in gods work and talked bad about god and Jesus and his beliefs so he became a rebel angel ..


So god banished one of his angels that didn’t believe in his cause anymore