Lack of diversity in LGBTQ+ tv shows and how it has an effect in the real world

[dana2]

It a fact the gay community is toxic af. You're right there assholes every group

How is that a fact? You need to be open to positive people and ignore the assholes.

 

[3790721]

To say "decent people" are very rare in the gay community is ridiculous. There are assholes in every group including the gay community and I certainly can think of some. But most of the people are good. You just need to be open and let go of your negative preconceptions and you will find the good ones.

I never said there were not assholes in other groups. They are just way more prevalent in the gay community and judging by your condescending reaction it would seem you're one of them. And if you'd learnt to read you'd have seen I said I had to learn it the hard way, my "preconception" was very positive initially.

 

[bar4doug]

True most conservatives don't care as long you don't broadcast it all the time. Gay community make being gay a personality, which is the most annoying thing in the world.

There a reason there a pushed back cus of how out of control LGBTQ+

Reminds me of an old Flintsones episode.. Fred buys a home movie camera, and starts shooting Pebbles 24/7. All he wants to do is show home movies of Pebbles every time friends come over. The look on everyone's faces while Fred shows these movies is priceless. It's something I didn't pick up on as a kid, but now older and wiser, genius.

People don't like what they don't like. Don't take it personally.

 

[bar4doug]

I suppose those planning TV shows and other types of media have to make a judgement about the market, just as writers do. Inevitably what they produce will please some people but not necessarily others.

Filmmakers are in business to make money, unless they have an endowment (no pun intended) that they don't mind seeing disappear should enough of their endeavors fail to make a return on their investment. Don't over think it.

1. There is a reason radio stations play the same tunes over and over again. They don't want to play something that will force a listener to change the station. That's why playlists aren't deep.

2. There is a reason I can no longer walk into a car dealer and tell them I want a purple car. They are going to make what sells, and what people *think* will sell when they trade said car in. Cars are now, for the most part, black, white, or some shade of grey and silver. Just look around you next time you're out driving. Gone are the days when you can order a car in whatever configuration you want. Now you get packages that are made for the masses. (Again, no pun intended).

Film-making is no different. One has a budget, and better get a return. The more eclectic and niched a film becomes, the fewer people who will likely watch and spend their money on it to see it. Doesn't have to be LGBTQ+, it could be any niche (horror; documentaries; historical period piece). Don't take it personally. Not everyone is deep in the weeds as the next person.

People like what they like. People don't like what they don't like. Don't force people to pay for something they don't like. Professional filmmakers need to create a film that will appeal to a wide audience, lest they no longer be filmmakers...

 

[dana2]

I never said there were not assholes in other groups. They are just way more prevalent in the gay community and judging by your condescending reaction it would seem you're one of them. And if you'd learnt to read you'd have seen I said I had to learn it the hard way, my "preconception" was very positive initially.

You don't know me yet you call me an asshole for some timid comments I made saying it is wrong to label the entire gay community as bad people. Whatever! It's consistent with other crazy posts on this thread. Everyone has their struggles in life. I hope you find peace in yours.

 

[dana2]

The more eclectic and niched a film becomes, the fewer people who will likely watch and spend their money on it to see it. Doesn't have to be LGBTQ+, it could be any niche (horror; documentaries; historical period piece). Don't take it personally. Not everyone is deep in the weeds as the next person.

The popularity of the movie Everything Everywhere All at Once, which just swept the Oscars, would argue against this. It's about as eclectic and strange as you can get and features LGBTQ characters and characters of color.

 

[deleted14487951]

The popularity of the movie Everything Everywhere All at Once, which just swept the Oscars, would argue against this. It's about as eclectic and strange as you can get and features LGBTQ characters and characters of color.

Am I the only person who didn't like that movie?

 

[dana2]

Am I the only person who didn't like that movie?

It's not an easy movie. The movie took a science fiction/fantasy concept and portrayed it in a sort of everyday regular realistic and believable way, it is groundbreaking for that reason. The actors were so believable and played their roles so well, they definitely deserve the Oscars they won. I found it chaotic to watch, but at the same time remarcable. And I want to watch it again.

 

[deleted14487951]

It's not an easy movie. The movie took a science fiction/fantasy concept and portrayed it in a sort of everyday regular realistic and believable way, it is groundbreaking for that reason. The actors were so believable and played their roles so well, they definitely deserve the Oscars they won. I found it chaotic to watch, but at the same time remarcable. And I want to watch it again.

I appreciate the reply, but I didn't experience it like that at all. To me it felt like a marvel movie that tried too hard. There were a couple of cool moments but ultimately it let me down. I actually can't even remember much of it, and that happens to me with marvel movies too.

 

[kkichigo]

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True most conservatives don't care as long you don't broadcast it all the time. Gay community make being gay a personality, which is the most annoying thing in the world.

There a reason there a pushed back cus of how out of control LGBTQ+

Wooow

 

[Beegun84]

The popularity of the movie Everything Everywhere All at Once, which just swept the Oscars, would argue against this. It's about as eclectic and strange as you can get and features LGBTQ characters and characters of color.

Asian representation is this year's Oscar theme. Anything that gets the support of the hype machine is guaranteed an Oscar sweep (and success in the box-office), unless something happens "behind the scenes" like La La Land and Brokeback Mountain.

Critics still act like gatekeepers especially with LGBT-inclusive blockbusters like Shazam 2 which confirmed that one of the Shazam family is gay. It didn't deserve those critics RT score especially after the dreadful Thor Love and Thunder, Ant Man Quantumania and Black Adam. The critics want big LGBT projects to be isolated in the small screen/streaming.

 

[Maginot]

Yeah not really, and I'm speaking as an Asian. Regardless of race, LGBT movies tend to underperform if not outright bombed at the box office lately.

Bros (white couple)- mismarketed and didn't follow the usual hetero romcom formula (Tickets to Paradise, marry me, shotgun wedding etc etc)

Fire Island - Gaysians, straight to streaming since it's so niche, was ok-ish

QAF reboot - very diverse but very bad

Eternals - black and middle-eastern couple - unfairly branded as the worst MCU movie EVER, slightly underperform

Strange World (black gay teen) bombed
Lightyear - bombed

Knock at the Cabin (white couple) - underperformed but did well with males 18-34 years but ignored by older males which is M Night's main audience

Spoiler Alert - white couple, first Focus Features gay weepies that underperforms, meh quality-wise

Single All the Way (mixed coupling) - worst gay Xmas movie (out of 5 recent gay Xmas movie)


which is very strange considering the gay movies in the 1990s did well in the box office like The Birdcage, To Wong Foo, In & Out, Philadelphia, The Crying Game etc.

Most of those are streaming movies and weren't intended to be released theatrically. You have a point to a degree. Most minority films bomb at the BO, which again, goes back to my point that white people do not want to support films that do not center them, especially if it doesn't feature cis, straight, white men. For example, Tom Cruise and Top Gun: Maverick. Tom is a weirdo who gave up his kid for a cult aka Scientology, but white people had zero problems supporting him to the tune of a billion dollars. And minorities are sheep who follow anything the white man does. If the white man says it sucks, then it sucks.

 

[michael_3165]

As long as the representation isn't all flouncing queen's then sure I'd like more lgbt characters. Growing up I felt like an alien being gay. Whereas you can see blackness you can't see gay so you need more stories w gay people who are out..

As for black representation, you'd think the UK and US are hugely and primarily white in demographic... oh wait...

 

[Markyoung873]

For what ist’s worth..

is not every film, tv show just fantasy horseshit?

im ex military.. can’t say I’ve ever seen a war film that represented what I felt, saw, experienced etc.

cant see why any other subject would be different?

best,

 

[999998997]

Media is overwhelmingly American and English speaking. I think there is even an overrepresentation of black people in specific regions like the UK in the media. You cannot simply say overrepresentation or underrepresentation is discrimination that is not a very thoughtful thinking process. I explain that below.


There are different jobs that have different averages. You have an overrepresentation of women in specific fields and men in other fields. You have an overrepresatation of black people in sports you have an overrepresentation of other groups in other fields.

You have to compare the interests and the resources of specific groups and also the cultures. Jews had an overrepresentation in specific field in the Weimar REpublic. That does not mean they are evil or so. That has to do with specific factors. Of course, The Nazis thought that has to do with evil intent. But you have to look at it through an unbiased lense. You have a specific identity and you usually privilege your own identity in your thinking process.

The main media is in Hollywood ( I guess) and you also have to look who studies this media stuff and what the race distribution is in this region. California has a lot of Asians (I guess) so the companies usually reflect that and have an overrepresentation. But I dont think they are so interested in becoming Hollywood stars. So that factor can also influence the media representation.

The media does not reflect the country as a whole, because people do not necessarily move. They want to stay near their family.

THe porn industry is ( I dont know where) but you have to consider the region as a factor, too. There is so much you have to consider.


I bias against a race would be: If you have too equally qualified people and you choose always the person of one race. I bias is not automatically the representation as there are so many factors.

You're speaking as if there is no racial prejudice in Hollywood. Lol. Have we learned nothing since MeToo about how ugly Hollywood can be?

 

[999998997]

For what ist’s worth..

is not every film, tv show just fantasy horseshit?

im ex military.. can’t say I’ve ever seen a war film that represented what I felt, saw, experienced etc.

cant see why any other subject would be different?

best,

I think the people making war movies are not targeting veterans as an audience and don't care to be relatable to veterans. I don't think the same can be said for all types of audiences though.

 

[999998997]

How does this help the discussion if you're going to dismiss a large part of the community? It feels like you're labeling every white guy as racist which means they can't have an opinion on lgbt representation.

Pointing out bias is not the same as being dismissive. If you are not biased, that's fine, but if you think there is no bias here, I expect you to back that up with something.

 

[AfterHours69]

Brokeback Mountain, Call Me By Your Name, Philadelphia, Bros, Carol, Boy Erased, My Policeman, Love Simon, The Danish Girl, etc. -- all of these are about white people yet are considered important "LGBTQ" stories, not "White LGBTQ" stories. When this is pointed out as problematic and indicative of larger issues navigating LGBTQ spaces, white gays come out in droves to say things like:

A. Stop complaining
B. Fix it yourself
C. I don't have a problem with it
D. You should be lucky you're represented at all
E. Moonlight and Pose exist

Please tell me how any of those options is helpful or represents a shared sense of community? I'll wait.

Love Simon

 

[AfterHours69]

Titus in Kimmy Schmidt was the first person who popped in my head, but there’s a list of queer POC in the shows I watch. I would like more from their characters most times, sure, but I had nothing growing up.

 

[AfterHours69]

I am putting this in spoiler mode, just to not ruin any coming out surprises for people who haven’t watched a show yet. It’s a big list from just what I watch, and I’m sure I’m forgetting ones. And, as a reminder, growing up, I can’t think of one example. This is LGBTQ, not just gay men.

Spoiler: POC LGBTQ Characters in shows I watch

Victor– Love, Victor
Jed - Legacies
Mateo - Superstore
Kelly Olsen - Supergirl
Oliver and Annalise - How to Get Away with Murder
Louis - Interview with a Vampire
Desmond (Constantine’s love interest) - Legends of Tomorrow
Mabel, and also the detective - Only Murders in the Building
Oscar- The Office
Justin - Ugly Betty
Guillermo- What We Do in the Shadows
Nico, Callie - Grey’s Anatomy
Will - The Walking Dead, World Beyond
Devon - Chucky
Cooper - One of Us Is Lying
Carlos - The Winchesters
Archie - Hollywood
Ryan and Sophie - Batwoman
Mr. Fantastic- Arrow
Captain Singh, Nora - The Flash
Spencer - The Midnight Club
Edmund- Awkwafina is Nora from Queens
Daphne and Velma, one of Daphne’s moms - Velma
Aqualad, Halo - Young Justice
Jonathan - 30 Rock
Sarah - Pivoting
Deb - Q Force
Didn’t watch new Charmed, but one was a lesbian, I’m pretty sure.
Now Apocalypse