Manly Secrets

[Belly_Dancer]

I can't believe I had so much to say it'll take 2 posts!

(Okay, I can).

Watching him will tell you a lot about how he likes it the best...and what made one guy really go over the edge may not do anything for the next guy.

Amen, and Amen! After I got really good at sucking my ex's cock, I thought I knew everything. Then I watched, really watched as he jacked off...and realized I had a few things yet to learn. I learned them, and then I thought I knew everything.

Then I went down on Artfulwilly for the first time. And it was as if I knew nothing at all! I could tell him I was giving him pleasure, but I could sense that I wasn't quite "on" in terms of what he wanted. He soon said, "Let me show you how I like my cock handled..."

A picture is worth a thousand words.

When it comes to sucking women are absolutely clueless.

Correction: MOST women are clueless (and I won't argue it if stated that way).

They figure if they are giving a guy head, he will love anything they have to offer.

Ain't that the truth. It's interesting -- I can see this issue very clearly from both sides. For years, I really didn't like sucking cock. I did it as a "sexual favor," I freely admit.

But I was out of touch with my own sexuality. Growing up with a twistedly judgmental religion really did a number on me. As I have broken free of those chains, I have unleashed a monster :tongue: ...a cock slut who simply cannot get enough.

When I let myself love sucking cock...it came naturally. I think a lot of women just don't get into it because they think they're not supposed to...and because they're afraid of various feelings deep inside themselves.

Gay guys that are into sucking can not only take a 10" dick all the way down their throat, but they can hold it there and swallow, contracting their throat muscles along the entire shaft of the dick.

The first few times I successfully DT'd Artfulwilly, he was so overwhelmed with sensation that he didn't know what the swallowing was. When I told him, he was shocked and amazed...but thereafter could identify the sensation easily.

He says it's like being inside a vagina (my lips and tongue working near his base) but in addition, it feels like there's a fist inside of that vagina that squeezes his head and upper shaft repeatedly.

And I'm sorry, but no pussy does that...not quite. No matter how skilled a woman becomes at controlling her PC muscles, they only extend so far up into the vagina.

For a lot of guys that blow, takiing it ALL, is half of the act/challenge.

And unfortunately, most women never get up the courage to try...let alone to keep trying, if they fail initially.

 

[Belly_Dancer]

Also, I was going to save this for another thread (we can still post it as such if warranted) but since the deepthroating aspect of fellatio has come up a few times: How do I get my gag reflex to relax enough to get that monster down my throat?? My BF isn't extremely long (7" roughly) but he is exceptionally thick, especially the head. I can actually feel it stretching my throat when I go down on him. Is it just practice or does anyone have a special trick to getting the cock all the way down their throat without dry heaving? yum:

Practice. Determination. Patience. Arousal.

For years, with my ex, I was a "lollipop sucker." When I started to really love sucking cock, I discovered that I could take him much farther than I originally thought. I wasn't taking all of him, but it was a good transitional step.

Facing him head-on (on my knees with him standing), I began to practice letting his cock glide along the top of my mouth all the way along the top of the back of my throat, as far as it would go, while using my tongue on the underside of his shaft.

Much of the gag reflex is at the back of your tongue, and when you're first learning, if you can keep his cock on the roof of your mouth, and not the back of your tongue, you'll go farther.

But it will only take you so far. There are deeper gag reflexes that become activated once an object passes through your larynx into the top of your esophagus.

With my ex, who was larger than average but not huge, I was able to overcome this by sheer arousal...and it was helped by the fact that he had an upward curve. I first learned to DT him by taking him in a 69 position...in fact, my very first thread and post on this site (as Chrysalis) was about that. If interested, you can read it here.

However, none of that prepared me to deep throat a dead-straight, 8" x 6" cock.

Once I knew Artfulwilly's size, I knew what I wanted to be able to surprise him with...so I went out and bought a dildo of his dimensions.

The first time I tried to swallow it, using my skills thus far, I thought...oh my God...this just isn't possible. I was on the verge of tears because I wanted to be able to give him that so badly. And I even admitted my frustration to him on the phone.

He wasn't at all surprised that I had bought the dildo and started trying (he chuckled at me)...but he said, "that's okay."

I think it might have ended up being okay with him, but it was not okay with me!

So, night after night, before I met him, I would practice. And night after night, I would come up against not just my gag reflex, but the sheer mechanical issues of trying to get an object that big (and straight and relatively inflexible) through an opening that small!

But I didn't give up.

I got a somewhat narrower, more flexible dildo, and worked solely on the gag reflex by itself. I lay on my back on the bed, with my head hanging over the edge, and would take the dildo as far down my throat as I could without gagging...and then just hold it there. Then I would withdraw it.

Ultimately, I learned that what I had read is absolutely true...the gag reflex is completely psychological. Sword swallowers learn to bypass it. And so can anyone who is determined enough. The key is not to force it. If you gag, back off, then try slowly again. Imagine you are with your man and aroused. Let go of your reflexes...they do not control you.

Gradually, gradually work up to throat-fucking. If you gag, back off or start over. Forcing it will not work...you will just gag more.

By the time I met AW in person, I really didn't know what would happen. I knew I wouldn't gag on him, but I really didn't think I would be able to swallow him (I had never managed to swallow the 6" girth dildo).

But I ..... Just. Fucking. Would. Not. Give. Up.

I spent a lot of time that week sucking him...learning what he likes everywhere...which sensations...everything short of deep throating...but I still would try to deep throat him at least once or twice every session.

Finally, when we were parked in his car in a deserted lot (don't ask)...I did it!

And later that same night, with him lying on his back on the bed, and me on my knees over him (right side up), I did it. And again. And again.

He was literally whooping and hollering with joy. He said he didn't think anyone would ever do it. I was utterly thrilled to be the woman to give him what he never dreamed he'd have.

And as the days went by, during that visit and during his recent visit to me, I just kept getting better at it...keeping him down longer, getting him down more easily and sooner into the blowjob...mmmm.....

One thing I learned is that if I take him very deep repeatedly (without swallowing him yet), the back of my throat will make a very thick mucus. This is not gross -- it is extremely useful. If you can get that going, he will slide down your throat much more easily. In fact, I don't even try to swallow him now until I know my throat is making copious amounts of lube (and I've since learned this is a natural reaction...stick something deep down your throat repeatedly and your body will do this).

Now for sheer bragging: Artful says that I keep him down longer than any woman he's seen in porn (and he's right...I've watched those women and I'll kick their asses any day...I guess those laps I swam holding my breath in the pool as a youngster are finally paying off....)

That said, I'm sure there are plenty of gay guys who could kick my ass any day. But I'd give them a run for their money. :tongue:

It's all about dedication and yes, staying down until you absolutely, absolutely have to breathe...letting go of the fear...you're not going to suffocate. You can swallow a few more times. You can stay just a little longer. You can.

Oh...one minor point about gagging that I have discovered: even if you are good at setting aside your urge to gag, it can still re-emerge if you try to deep throat very soon after a meal. So, in your first experiments, I would recommend doing it on an empty or mostly empty stomach. Might as well give yourself that edge.

From your other posts in this thread it really doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong to me and you're trying to find some incredible technique that doesn't exist.

Not sure about that one...no matter how good I get, I will never believe I know everything. Never. There is always room for improvement. Always another creative way to stimulate. Always just a little more I can give.

The combination of connectedness to his needs and pleasure, determination, love, passion, creativity, openmindedness, and endurance make for an incredible technique that definitely exists.

And I think that is what most gay guys have, and most women don't. That magical combination of desire, drive, and guts.

If they haven't learned what to do after 15+ guys, nothing I say or do will teach them. Such is my feeling on the matter.

Hmmm...I had 25+ partners before my ex, and gave them all lousy blowjobs. Sad, but true.

So no matter how many partners she's had...there's always hope. :wink:

I've yet to meet her, unfortunately. But I'm keeping the hope alive.

Don't give up.

There are three things women just don't have the timing for:

1. Good hand job,

2. Good head,

3. Driving standard shift.

Fuck you.

But the key was simply that they loved and were fascinated by my cock...that is the advice I have, from the heart: you must be genuine in your interest "down there." And if you're not -- fake it.

Blue, you were doing great until the last sentence.

Faking it won't work. It's got to come from the heart.

Holly

 

[capcraz]

It's pretty much been said... I love getting head but I have a hard time enjoying the BJ if I think she doesn't really want to do it, or is uncomfortable... I have only ever had one BJ that sent me to a level of bliss The key for me is rhythm, lots of attention to the edge of the head and make it as wet as possible... a semi-dry blow job is pointless and I usually tell her to stop in a nice way as in, I want to please you now and then on to sex. I'd say if you have trouble staying hydrated try some flavored items whether they be the lubes or something else (those liquid sucker things... candy gel or whatever) can be sticky but the goal is to suck it all off right? and it can mask the taste if you're not too happy with that, or you could always take short breaks and drink from a bottle of water or something... BTW... I also love to suck a nice clit and make a woman moan with oral sex... it's a big turn on and I can easily lose myself until she climaxes!

 

[amiegrrl]

Wow. Thank you :smile: That's about the most insightful post I've read yet.

Practice. Determination. Patience. Arousal.

For years, with my ex, I was a "lollipop sucker." When I started to really love sucking cock, I discovered that I could take him much farther than I originally thought. I wasn't taking all of him, but it was a good transitional step.

.............

Faking it won't work. It's got to come from the heart.

Holly

 

[bstexas]

Holly, all I've got to say is ... you go girl! I've only read the last two pages of this threat (and most of the comments are yours), but u make valid points onn so many levels. I hear from so many of my str8 friends (women generally don't want to give head) and bi friends (they like gay guys giving head because the gay guys really WANT to do it). But liike u said, practice, determination, a REAL interest and and actual LUST for making it happen will go a long way. Are you a sex education teacher? If not, u should be!

 

[WildHoney]

I am married to a very vocal man. He was always hmmmm semi demanding in bed. He does not, nor will ever settle for a shit blow job or poor half hearted sex, he would rather wank.

I met him at the tender age of 16, he was 24, we have been together for 20 years this year. He always loved good head, I was very open and willing when I was younger to learn, and through that process learnt to absolutely adore sucking cock.

For me, I will with no hesitation suck cock just for the sake of sucking cock, I expect nothing in return.

I enjoy all the aspects of giving head. I like the challenge, the visual, the smell, the sounds, the cum, the power, the satisfaction....I just love giving head.

I know I am good at it, we go to swingers clubs, I have given a LOT of head...I get many compliments and can honestly say, all men I have given head to have cum ( cept this one guy who wasn't allowed to...their rules within their marrigae...could swing, just dont cum for anyone else) if I was giving head and that was the only agenda ( ie not just foreplay)


I dont think what gender you are has jack shit to do with how good you give head.....I think it is about enthusiasm, desire, and experience.....same as cunnilingus for women...most men suck at it..some excell at it..those that excell..love to do it....it's pretty simple.


xx Honey

 

[Yorkie]

It's all about dedication and yes, staying down until you absolutely, absolutely have to breathe...letting go of the fear...you're not going to suffocate. You can swallow a few more times. You can stay just a little longer. You can.
...no matter how good I get, I will never believe I know everything. Never. There is always room for improvement. Always another creative way to stimulate. Always just a little more I can give.

Great posts as always Holly! You take dedication to a whole new level,Artfulwilly is the luckiest guy* on LPSG!
Amiegrll - I guess you were mainly requesting replies from people who have actually sucked a cock - I'm unable to give any information in that respect,but if Holly's posts haven't give you the answers you need and your bf still says a guy would do a better job,then he's not the straight guy you think he is.
*I've already said this about WildHoney's hubby - they'll have to share the title. :smile:

 

[LouisVauban]

Is he cut or uncut? There are different sucking techniques....

When I'm sucking, part of my specialty is the frenulum... gentle circles can drive him crazy....

Going back to balls: You say he froze and said it tickles... not so unusual... every guy's balls are different... some very sensitive; others not so much. Tell your man to relax.... quickly move in to take a ball into your mouth (don't suck it in, that hurts).... rest there. Then when he's adjusted to that feeling, start moving the ball slowly around in your mouth with your toungue --- kind of a ball bath inside your mouth... repeat with the other.... move back and forth between cock and gently sucking the balls.... sometimes applying pressure between the two balls underneath the dick can send someone into bliss... I use my chin, while my mouth stays busy.... massage the area between the ass and the balls all the time you're working the rest.

I happen to think working a clean ass is part of the whole blow job experience... but maybe that's too much for the full forum.

Happy BLowing!

 

[Love-it]

Holly Blue and Wild Honey, WOW!

 

[mydeepsix]

I don't know if this helps but get the most satisfying head during 69. As she gets closer to cuming herself, she gets rougher and more passinate too, it really feels incredible. Maybe its my ADD that makes me want to be doing something while reeceiving...? Regardless, 69 does it for me.

 

[upone]

OK, here is another issue I run into: I'm stroking, sucking his cock and begin stroking, pulling gently on his balls - and he starts fidgeting because it tickles. I'm not scared in any way of being more aggressive if that's what he wants, but I don't want to run the risk of hurting him either. His balls are pretty high and tight, so I'm not sure sometimes how I should play with them nor how to get one or both fully into my mouth without grazing teeth

Amie, this is one reason why we have long-term relationships. 90% of guys may love ball work, but 10% of us don't; like so many things, it's a preference that we get to know about each other over time.

 

[LPSGeezer]

Also some guys nipples are a direct connect to his dick so remember that if his have sensitivity (some don't) play with those too at times while you blow him or have him do it, and a well placed finger if he's 'open' to it will stimulate him and his prostate leading to an eye rolling, body quaking, heavy breathing, yelling, shuddering climax. At the base of the dick where it connects to his pubic bone area are erotic nerves that feel great if you rub there too on both sides of the shaft base and above it. So far the best answers have been given by a woman who has done her homework. I love it. If you lie on the bed with your head over the edge on your back deep throat fucking is easier in that position. You have a lot to look forward to and practice, now go get him. What a great thread.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

I have to agree with a predominant sentiment...

The primary issue is women have no idea what it feels like, from the Guy's side.
They hold the shaft too loose, or too tight... sliding the skin back and forth instead of over the skin... or barely registering sensation...
They do too much licking and weak sucking, and not enough of using the surfaces of the lips, tongue and cheeks to slide across the skin, and they seem to not be aware that there is a sweet spot under the glans where the sensations are the most intense.
Almost NO women can deep throat... a fairly high percentage of male cocksuckers can.

At climax, women almost always do the wrong thing... they either ease up or completely stop stimulus... just when it should be the most extreme... or they continue extreme stimulus too long, to the point where it becomes vexing.
They almost never pay any real attention to the balls... and they have no idea how they can handle them.... they pull, but are not gripping hard enough and allow a testicle to pop thru ( not comfy) or they tickle them, rather than providing real stimulation... They don't know that the testicles can take a lot of certain kinds of abuse ( pulling and even slapping) but not others... (squeezing and poking generally not good)

In short... a guy is using hands that have a Lot of practice on his own cock and balls, and so has an innate motor skill intuition on how much another guy can take, or wants. he knows is Own responses, and what those responses make him crave, and so is more likely to pick up on very subtle cues when sucking another guy, and more likely to react in the way that will work best.


This is all exacerbated by women's thin skin... they do not take well, generally, to critique of their technique, nor advice on how they could do better... Most guys learn early that trying to give a woman feedback on cock sucking results in a lot less actual sucking of their cock.

( which, btw, is already an issue, as a high percentage of women range from half hearted to absolutely unenthusiastic about cocksucking )

Attitude is a big additional factor...
women seem to think that men should feel grateful when they suck their dicks.
Even the most ardent female cocksucker, still gives off the vibe that, by sucking your cock, she is doing you a favor.
For the most enthusiastic, it may come off lke she is doing it to please you... which is certainly a nice feeling... but its not hot.

Hot is when the person sucking your cock makes you feel like you are doing Them the favor, by letting them have at your cock.
Hot is when you get the feeling that having your cock down someone's throat is what they live for.

And that is what male cocksuckers make a guy feel like ( disclaimer: as previously noted, not all gay men are real cocksuckers- and not all real male cocksuckers identify as gay )

Women often make a guy feel that way about getting profoundly pounded by a good fucking... like they can't get enough of you... and that is hot... but they seldom give that impression when sucking.
I have even watched videos where porn actresses look totally bored while sucking...
( really not a good look )

More gay guys can deepthroat because they absolutely worship cock... they want the whole thing and they take the trouble and suffer the discomfort of learning how to deepthroat. Whereas almost Zero professional porn actresses can deep throat, and I have not met, in 50 years, a single not pro woman who can deepthroat, nor has any guy I have ever met who has a cock longer than 6 inches.
Its just that rare a skill in women, and that, i think, reflects a real lack of passion for the experience.


And finally... on the issue of, well... issue.

When we cum, the hot thing is to either take it all and sallow ( which a lot of women manage to do well )... or take it on your face or tits like you love it, and then butter it all over with our cocks and lap it up off the shaft... or to discretely allow it to run back out of your mouth, all over your breasts and smear it in as a visual treat...
Or, even, to take it in your mouth, and then kiss us, spilling it into our mouths and making us swallow it ( for some guys this is super hot )

But, mostly, what women do is flinch, spit, or act like its the unpleasant part of the job.
That is not very satisfying... but more importantly, it makes us self conscious about the next blowjob you give us... as we anticipate that you are not really enjoying our climax, or find it distasteful.


There is almost nothing as visually exciting as a lovely woman's face swallowing our cocks, entire....
With the right attitude... one of heat and passion and wanting it... the small imperfections in technique matter a lot less...

But when a woman can look hot doing it, makes us feel she is sucking it for Her pleasure more than our own, and knows how to handle it with confidence and aggressive abandon...

Then no guy can even compare....

But finding that woman seems to be a one in a million.