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My bff just sent me this link and said these women were crazy. We've seen each other completely in the buff a few times, and it's never been a big deal. Of course, I had to show her my new boobs and she absolutely loved them, but asked what I did with the leftovers because she wanted them. And I had to see her appendectomy scar right after surgery and then a couple of years later.

Anyway, there's one for the guys, too, but this one is just for us.

https://www.distractify.com/deborahgross-real-besties-get-naked-1396524193.html
 
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I've seen a whole lot of my friends naked... mostly female friends, but still. Got my nipples pierced? Everybody had to see my boobs. Everyone.
 

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Where are these people from? My bestie's mother was my mother's BFF. Bestie is 18 months older than I. As friends go, she was first, and still my favorite. I practically grew up in her household. I cannot even count how many baths we've had together as a result. We used to workout together and so naturally that means changing together.

I'm lucky. I have 5 best friends. There would be 6, but one died. Two are from early childhood. I told about one of those. The other and I have never been totally nude in the same place, but have been in various states of undress. Down to towels, or underpants, or whatever. I remember showing her the birthmark that migrated from my groin so she could identify me if an axe murderer got me. LOL Of course, now I have a large tattoo, and she's among the few who've seen it in person.

Two best friends from high school, and we have been through a whole lot of weird shit together. Some of that weird shit happened naked or partially naked, even though one of them is a total prude. And of course we had to check out each other's tats and piercings.

Lastly, my best friend that I didn't meet until I was out in the workforce and I have changed together, traded clothes, tried on clothes in department stores, shopped for swimsuits, and been too drunk (stoned?) to go home and crashed naked while handwashed undies and bras hung in someone's bathroom.

How do you end up never seeing your best friend's body? What experiences have forged the relationship and set it apart from others in your life? My best friends are the siblings I would have chosen if I could have. I would die for any or all of their children. I would do anything in my power to secure their well-being or happiness. If one of them called and said, "No questions. Are you in, or out?"-- I'm in. No questions. Let me just make that 400 mile drive back home. See you in 7 hours. How does a relationship like that happen without ever sharing in the vulnerability of nudity at all?
 

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@AlteredEgo, I was thinking the exact same thing. It' not even something I think about, and for me it's not about sharing the vulnerability of nudity, it's just... I've gone to school with most of my best friends, been at various sports events, jumped into the ocean on a whim with them etc. etc. Now that I'm too boring to play soccer or to jump into the ice cold ocean, and too old to go to school, I rarely see them in the nude, but I've literally seen my best friends naked hundreds of times after soccer practice or gym class or whatever. I don't know how they even avoid it.

Anyway, it seems that the best friends in the clip haven't known each other for more than a couple of years, which in itself is somewhat of a paradox to me. So that's probably the explanation. In the male version there are some dudes that have been friends since childhood and have never seen each other naked. If things in the USA function in just a slightly similar way to how the function in Denmark, they must really have tried to avoid being nude together.
 
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At least for my generation of male Americans, I grew up in an atmosphere of childhood/adolescent homophobia. I think every generation of American men is raised with this obsolete focus on fitting into a "rugged man" archetype. I say obsolete because we aren't frontiersmen anymore and farmers don't have to fight off native attack parties or local brigands to protect their family and livelihood. Now fathers have to come up with excuses for why you have to "be a man," and devise their own definitions of that concept, because they certainly don't know either. If they don't have a good explanation for it, then they don't raise a son by instilling values of "manhood" into them, but they instead bully their child for displaying attributes or habits they feel go against it. Well by the 90's, adults have become aware of homosexuality and this "new" sensation begets homophobia, and fathers have an easier target to bully their sons into not being besides, "a weakling" (because now child has to define weakling) or "a girl" (because as a child I know my behavior doesn't determine my gender but I feel bad anyway because you are telling me for some reason being a girl is bad and that I am bad for sharing qualities with one. And this latter point I think explains the base, sexist tendencies for boys growing up, but that's a whole other rant.) However, you can't tell if a person is gay unless they tell you they are gay, and growing up in this atmosphere means being gay is "wrong" or "bad," so of course a gay child has to hide it, and bullies know that. Bullies will pick on any "gay" behavior anyone exhibits as they were raised to, and then accuse that person of being gay, which means one less person to threaten their own self-assuredness.

America is already pretty conservative when it comes to nudity, so there is already reason to not be naked with other people. Being naked is a big deal and people are uncomfortable seeing another person naked. Now we also have boys being told that it is bad to like boys if you are a boy, and boys who like boys want to see each other naked or like dicks or yada yada. So now there's two reasons to not be naked with other boys. How about a third? The penis. Don't need to say much else we've talked it to death: grow up in a size matters society, we seem to super care about what a penis looks like but we have no idea what anyone's penis looks like besides in porn, "is my penis normal? what if I'm different and everyone laughs at me" because a kid doesn't understand everyone is thinking the same thing. You get the picture. So at this point you have to have a really good excuse to be getting naked with other men. You can change in the locker room without taking your underwear off and you don't have to shower because you can just do that at home. When you get older you smell more when you sweat and you have to attract girls you are a teenage boy now, so you will risk showering, and if you are on a sports team you will all shower together -- and this is where my knowledge ends because I've never been on a sports team or showered with other men. I hear men also shower at public gyms but am willing to bet most young guys will do what they can to cover up in those situations and not talk to anyone behaving otherwise. Americans think it is "weird" to expose oneself unless it is absolutely necessary: "Oh my god put that thing away, that's so nasty to breastfeed your hungry baby, there's acceptably inferior bottles for that you pervert!"

Any way my points is, I have been friends with my group of best male friends for over a decade and we haven't seen each other naked and it makes me sad. Any expressed desire to would be responded with, "Why do you want to see all our dicks? That's weird."

Judging by the video and from personal experience there may be many similarities with a woman's perspective on same-sex nudity but there is an obvious jump in discomfort for men in general.
 

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Big difference between men and women I suppose. When I was in 8th grade the gym teacher told everybody to get buck naked and line up and he told us that on gym days we would have so many minutes to shower and what we needed to bring, etc.
 

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Any way my points is, I have been friends with my group of best male friends for over a decade and we haven't seen each other naked and it makes me sad. Any expressed desire to would be responded with, "Why do you want to see all our dicks? That's weird."

I think you raise many excellent points. You obviously know and understand that same sex nudity can be occur (and probably does more often than not) in a completely non sexual context. Having been naked with my friends many times, I have to say, though, that I too would be weirded out if a friend of mine directly expressed a desire to see me naked.

I have absolutely no desire to be naked with my friends, but if the circumstances demand it, I don't feel uncomfortable being nude. If nudity were to be the point of interaction, I would quietly retreat.
 

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I don't think it's really something I sat down and thought about. Like Ms Ellie and Ms AE stated, it's just something that happens naturally between female friends - in change rooms, getting ready to go out, switching clothes, passing out after parties, checking out piercings or someone's new boob job or someone's ouchie (the dreaded - would you look at this for me and tell me if I should see a doctor!), swimming. It's all pretty non-sexual. It's just a part of being a woman.

Thank goodness we have that or we might be in danger of thinking porn is real! :p
 
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Well I saw all my childhood friends naked, in dressrooms doing sports most likely but also back in the 80/90s porn wasnt so common so we used to jerk off together when someone gets to stole his dad VHS porn or something LOL
 

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This thread has raised another question to me, though... Why do women pass out naked after parties?
It's not on purpose. We have every intention of going home, taking off the makeup, getting into the jammies and getting a solid eight hours of sleep. But sometimes....sometimes, the music is good, the dancing is great and we jam together into a cab, eat at a diner, and then cab it to the nearest house where we strip down and pile onto the bed like sleepy, drunken puppies - some naked, some half-dressed, makeup smeared and hair stiff and ugly. Girls get stepped on and there are noises one should never hear from women. Occasionally there's some weird sleep walking, and she's never invited again, cause she scares everyone to death with her gibberish about knives.

That's what happens. Now that you know, we have to kill you. :D
 

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It's not on purpose. We have every intention of going home, taking off the makeup, getting into the jammies and getting a solid eight hours of sleep. But sometimes....sometimes, the music is good, the dancing is great and we jam together into a cab, eat at a diner, and then cab it to the nearest house where we strip down and pile onto the bed like sleepy, drunken puppies - some naked, some half-dressed, makeup smeared and hair stiff and ugly. Girls get stepped on and there are noises one should never hear from women. Occasionally there's some weird sleep walking, and she's never invited again, cause she scares everyone to death with her gibberish about knives.

That's what happens. Now that you know, we have to kill you. :D
I do confess I'm the weirdo with the somnabulent episodes. But all I do is delete things off of electronic devices. (True story.) Keep yours out of my immediate reach from where I plopped down, and protect your data with a password. Otherwise, I might check and delete all your voicemail, email, and your obscure contacts whose information you won't notice is missing until you need it. You've been warned. Now stop hogging the blanket.
 

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I do confess I'm the weirdo with the somnabulent episodes. But all I do is delete things off of electronic devices. (True story.) Keep yours out of my immediate reach from where I plopped down, and protect your data with a password. Otherwise, I might check and delete all your voicemail, email, and your obscure contacts whose information you won't notice is missing until you need it. You've been warned. Now stop hogging the blanket.
I am password protected! You can still come over!

But isn't it weird that there's always one? I remember a couple of us running into the backyard trying to corral a walker convinced she was going fishing.
 

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I am password protected! You can still come over!

But isn't it weird that there's always one? I remember a couple of us running into the backyard trying to corral a walker convinced she was going fishing.
That's as funny as it is scary! I'm always the one, but I'm far more likely to do it to my own phone than anyone else's because I never actually get up, and just pick up the phones and computers I can reach without moving more than my arms. I wake up when I drop the phone on my face by accident, or a laptop slides off my chest and hits me in the throat. Sadly, I do know my passwords well enough to manipulate my own stuff in my sleep. This is how I miss notifications that my people are visiting my city and want to see me while in town. It's also why I am never unlisted and my home phone can be found. I can't tell you how many phone numbers I deleted before my ex and I figured out what I was doing in my sleep. I've heard of people cooking napkins and dismantling plumbing. I'm glad I'm not that bad/dangerous!
 
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Never had any friends, Moved around a lot, never made anything more than a few school pals. Outside of school, didn't really connect with anyone. *shrugs* Maybe I will and maybe I won't.
 

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Never had any friends, Moved around a lot, never made anything more than a few school pals. Outside of school, didn't really connect with anyone. *shrugs* Maybe I will and maybe I won't.
was cut off mid post, anyways like I was saying........ I feel content with where I am now. I've got my interests to keep me thoroughly occupied for probably ever. Oculus rift being around the corner only has me more excited than ever. I think with all the new stuff/content being created, I find myself very happy. If I find someone male/female to share time with and have fun with, that's cool. If not, I'm doing swell on my own.
That's how I see it. I think growing up alone has provided me the tools to be happy without the need of others.
 

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At least for my generation of male Americans, I grew up in an atmosphere of childhood/adolescent homophobia. I think every generation of American men is raised with this obsolete focus on fitting into a "rugged man" archetype. I say obsolete because we aren't frontiersmen anymore and farmers don't have to fight off native attack parties or local brigands to protect their family and livelihood. Now fathers have to come up with excuses for why you have to "be a man," and devise their own definitions of that concept, because they certainly don't know either. If they don't have a good explanation for it, then they don't raise a son by instilling values of "manhood" into them, but they instead bully their child for displaying attributes or habits they feel go against it. Well by the 90's, adults have become aware of homosexuality and this "new" sensation begets homophobia, and fathers have an easier target to bully their sons into not being besides, "a weakling" (because now child has to define weakling) or "a girl" (because as a child I know my behavior doesn't determine my gender but I feel bad anyway because you are telling me for some reason being a girl is bad and that I am bad for sharing qualities with one. And this latter point I think explains the base, sexist tendencies for boys growing up, but that's a whole other rant.) However, you can't tell if a person is gay unless they tell you they are gay, and growing up in this atmosphere means being gay is "wrong" or "bad," so of course a gay child has to hide it, and bullies know that. Bullies will pick on any "gay" behavior anyone exhibits as they were raised to, and then accuse that person of being gay, which means one less person to threaten their own self-assuredness.

America is already pretty conservative when it comes to nudity, so there is already reason to not be naked with other people. Being naked is a big deal and people are uncomfortable seeing another person naked. Now we also have boys being told that it is bad to like boys if you are a boy, and boys who like boys want to see each other naked or like dicks or yada yada. So now there's two reasons to not be naked with other boys. How about a third? The penis. Don't need to say much else we've talked it to death: grow up in a size matters society, we seem to super care about what a penis looks like but we have no idea what anyone's penis looks like besides in porn, "is my penis normal? what if I'm different and everyone laughs at me" because a kid doesn't understand everyone is thinking the same thing. You get the picture. So at this point you have to have a really good excuse to be getting naked with other men. You can change in the locker room without taking your underwear off and you don't have to shower because you can just do that at home. When you get older you smell more when you sweat and you have to attract girls you are a teenage boy now, so you will risk showering, and if you are on a sports team you will all shower together -- and this is where my knowledge ends because I've never been on a sports team or showered with other men. I hear men also shower at public gyms but am willing to bet most young guys will do what they can to cover up in those situations and not talk to anyone behaving otherwise. Americans think it is "weird" to expose oneself unless it is absolutely necessary: "Oh my god put that thing away, that's so nasty to breastfeed your hungry baby, there's acceptably inferior bottles for that you pervert!"

Any way my points is, I have been friends with my group of best male friends for over a decade and we haven't seen each other naked and it makes me sad. Any expressed desire to would be responded with, "Why do you want to see all our dicks? That's weird."

Judging by the video and from personal experience there may be many similarities with a woman's perspective on same-sex nudity but there is an obvious jump in discomfort for men in general.

I want to tack on something else. At least in the US. Being a black or asian male may make you even less likely to take off your clothes.

If you don't fit the stereo type of a black guy, god help you if you have an average or small dick and as an asian guy god help you if you have anything other than big and up.
 

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I love the "you should have nipple confidence" line. My bff has great nipples. Like perfectly symetrical and perfectly fit her boob size. Always so jealous of those nippies.
 

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Y'all reminded me of a classmate in school who used to sleepwalk! We said we'd never invite her to sleepovers again, but then we thought we could cure her. We were terrible, I will admit. Tried all sorts of home cures with zero basis in reality to get her to stop sleepwalking. It got scary!

I saw her at a class reunion a few years ago. We reminded her of it and she didn't believe us then and still doesn't now! She said she never sleptwalk (is that a word?) and that we were just being mean to her because she wore glasses. Just wow.
 
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