Separating the content questions?

[Mithra]

argument over...i guess it is okay to possibly traumatize or upset some people, as long as it is something that you, personally like doing, right?

*THIS* is the last post now that your double standard has been exposed.

my participation in this thread, is officially over...now that the hypocrisy has been revealed.

Yes. Anyone surfing for porn (especially on the "large penis support group") who happens across some gay sex and doesn't just click away and forget about it, but rather feels traumatized by the experience, is a homophobe. There. I've said it. You didn't accidentally see a snuff film, you saw some guy blowing another guy as a consequence of your own intent to see some porn. Get over yourself.

The reason you are a homophobe (gay dad, being hit on by friend, whatever) doens't change the fact that you are, or justify it. If you were mugged by a black man, deciding this is why you were uncomfortable or repulsed by black people (if this were the case), would not justify your racism.

Lastly, homophobes are generally repulsed by their own proclivities towards the activities they find objectionable, rather than by the activities themselves.

 

[flame boy]

This post earlier in the thread makes mention to the fact this change was implemented by the owner of the site. The homophobia argument doesn't seem at all fair, i'm as gay as it get's and I don't want to see women getting ploughed. This doesn't mean I detest heterosexuals, far from it, I just don't care to see it in porn. So I can't support a claim which is the polar opposite of my own personal views without being a complete hypocrite. It's not hetero-phobia, it's just a personal preference.

Yes, content you don't wish to see can be easily avoided, you're right, and it is now easier than ever with the new forums which were created to organise content - no hidden evil agenda.

As for things like lesbian porn - the gay adult website is intended (Or so I've been told) for male on male or solo guy porn. Yes, technically lesbian porn is indeed homosexual, but let's not kid ourselves - the majority of lesbian porn is made for straight men. Personally (not as a mod, as a member) I think lesbian porn -- within the context of this site -- should go in the straight adult websites forum. Would someone who is in the gay adult website forum, hell bent on seeing cock, expect lesbian porn to be in there? That's unlikely.

That being said however, there is no right or wrong and the mods are not out to punish someone who puts content in an incorrect (or what others believe to be incorrect) forum. If it is felt that content should be moved you can get in touch with a moderator and it may very well be put elsewhere.

Will this please everyone, no. Will the moderating team do our best with the new situation? Of course.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

This post earlier in the thread makes mention to the fact this change was implemented by the owner of the site. The homophobia argument doesn't seem at all fair, i'm as gay as it get's and I don't want to see women getting ploughed. This doesn't mean I detest heterosexuals, far from it, I just don't care to see it in porn. So I can't support a claim which is the polar opposite of my own personal views without being a complete hypocrite. It's not hetero-phobia, it's just a personal preference.

Yes, content you don't wish to see can be easily avoided, you're right, and it is now easier than ever with the new forums which were created to organise content - no hidden evil agenda.

As for things like lesbian porn - the gay adult website is intended (Or so I've been told) for male on male or solo guy porn. Yes, technically lesbian porn is indeed homosexual, but let's not kid ourselves - the majority of lesbian porn is made for straight men. Personally (not as a mod, as a member) I think lesbian porn -- within the context of this site -- should go in the straight adult websites forum. Would someone who is in the gay adult website forum, hell bent on seeing cock, expect lesbian porn to be in there? That's unlikely.

That being said however, there is no right or wrong and the mods are not out to punish someone who puts content in an incorrect (or what others believe to be incorrect) forum. If it is felt that content should be moved you can get in touch with a moderator and it may very well be put elsewhere.

Will this please everyone, no. Will the moderating team do our best with the new situation? Of course.

So how about the rest of the site? Is it fair that if enough complainants get together that other forums should end up segregated too?

And are you really going to stand over the idea that just because Lesbian porn is often made to titillate Heterosexual men that it's somehow straight porn?

I mean if the intended audience for the porn posted is the criterion for where it should be segregated surely Transsexual porn (frequently made to titillate men who identify as heterosexual) is "straight" porn by this definition no?


Because essentially what this has become is a heterosexual male biased criterion. If it doesn't disgust most straight men then it doesn't get the odium of being asked to buzz off. If it gets heterosexual men off then they get to totally coopt it, to the point of being able to clame it as actually straight even if it demonstrably isn't!?

 

[Mithra]

Will this please everyone, no. Will the moderating team do our best with the new situation? Of course.

As a straight guy who likes standard straight porn but who occasionally is interested in seeing some "taboo" (from my perspective) stuff, count me among the "not pleased" demographic. This development makes it more likely I'll miss the occasional thing that would have found interesting if I have the opportunity to notice it. Up until now, this particular place on the internet has been the best one for me to find interesting adult websites that I would have missed otherwise. This new development changes that and makes it less of a resource.

The frustrating thing is the only logic behind t seems to be to protect people from accidentally viewing something they don't have sense enough to avoid in the first place or are prudish enough to become traumatized in the process of determining that they aren't interested. Personally I find prudish porn consumers to be absolutely ridiculous parodies of themselves and I abhor pandering to them. (No "homophobe" labels needed.)

But hey, It's not my site. I pay nothing to come here. So if the owner wants to organize in a way that works for him, by all means. However if my regular visits to this sit are of value to him, he's done damage to that front by making this change.

 

[flame boy]

This action wasn't taken based on X amount of complaints from people, that's incorrect. There was an open discussion about it and as always, Rob, the site's owners, took on board the comments. Much further down the line he introduces the separation - not due to pressure from those terrible heterosexuals wink but because it's his site and he's making changes for better organisation of content.

As for the lesbian porn argument, it could go on eternally trying to debate the difference between FUBU-lesbo porn and for-and-by-the-man lesbian porn. Ultimately however, a decision has been made and it's my "job" to follow it. The same applies for trans porn, at present this is put in "everything else", it's a simple arrangement of content - not a social commentary on sexual categorisation.

When it comes to porn, sad as it may be, categorisation does come into play. Take a look at the likes of Xtube - you have to select your preference upon entry to the site. Many porn sites will give the option of separation of content - not for any underhand or homophobic reason - but to help out it's membership and to give them what they want.

You do not have to agree with the changes, but ideas that this is a heterosexual agenda is way off. This change was made, pure and simple, to better the site and help out a majority of our membership.

 

[Kotchanski]

I'll give this a go...

Firstly people can stop bitching and whining at the mods, they didn't make this call and neither did Admin. The owner of the site did, and we're doing all we can to make the change as effective as possible within his guide.

Now speaking as a very open minded member, not admin, I have to say several people in this thread, on both sides of the discussion are behaving like children. Nothing has been taken away from anyone, all the content is still there, and you can all access it, so sure you now have 2 new sections, but don't sit there and tell me that other sites containing porn don't put things into groups to make searching easier, hell some of them even have a gay/straight selection screen before you enter, and you have to go all the way back to the start if you change your mind and want something different. All the owner has done, in it's most simplistic form is made it easier for those with specific desires to find what they're looking for, and if you don't have a specific desire, it doesn't matter because you wouldn't really care which section you clicked on.

Am I happy with all the changes and where things are going? No, it's no secret that finding lesbian porn in the straight section angers me like you wouldn't believe, to me it is much like putting male gay porn in the straight section because a large percent of the women here get off on it. I find it insulting and offensive, but I'm in the minority here and I'll have to learn to live with it.

There are 2 types of members here, those who are happy to go with the flow and see what ever pops up on their screen, and those who really don't need to be seeing whatever their genetic makeup tells them doesn't do it for them to the point of making them feel quite ill in some cases. There have been times where I myself have edited thread titles (not in recent times granted) to better reflect the content when something rather extreme in nature has been posted and I felt people warranted some form of warning, not because I don't like it, not because I think it's wrong, but out of appreciation that it isn't for everyone.

Now, I can understand that this change doesn't sit well with some members both gay and straight, sexuality is very fluid and curiosity is far easier dealt with without labels to get in the way, but the owner of the site has a duty to meet the needs of his members the best he can, and in this case, he isn't taking away content, he isn't banning content, he's simply giving it headings.

 

[Rob_E]

The driving force behind the categorization of the Adult Websites section was to increase usability for the vast majority of members. I understand that I cannot please everyone, but based on my research and through trial and error, I believe that the current use of categorization is a better system for nearly everyone.

No content has been removed or restricted in any way. Everyone can still see all of the threads in every category. I am looking in to a way to also display all of the threads from the subforums in one place for those who would rather not have the categorization. I have not found an effective way to do this yet, but will continue to try.

I suppose that you could make the argument that the mere act by a user of ignoring the Gay section and focusing on the Straight section is homophobic. However, that seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Again, the goal here is to make it easier on the viewer, not to exclude or separate people.

As for lesbian scenes in the Straight section. The thinking here is that the typical viewer of those scenes would be straight. I can see how this could be offensive and stereotypical. However, I believe that it is accurate in most cases.

Anyone is welcome to suggest a different system and I will honestly look at it and consider it.

Thanks,

Rob