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Titanomachina
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No. Rape is quite natural as it occurs frequently in nature, but it is humans that have made it "criminal". Without humans rape wouldn't be criminalized and it's still going to exist long after we are gone.
This just refers back to my appeal to nature fallacy (which for some reason you fail to understand), that just because something is natural doesn't make it good.
Please stop showcasing your ignorance.
rape occurs across animal species... it does occur in nature... it is natural.... within this paradigm
Titanomachina
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Learn to like it, hah. Other people don't exist to satisfy your needs. Life doesn't work that way. People may cooperate to achieve mutual beneficial outcomes, but that's about it. There's nothing "wrong" with it, and if that's what you're terrified of I must say that makes you a rather pathetic individual.
Either way I'm not missing much, and I'm guessing those women aren't either. Seems like you're the one with the problem.
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Provide me five scientific references that use the word 'rape' to refer to sexual acts in the animal kingdom.
Don't just provide photos.
You mention 'within this paradigm': specify exactly what you mean or drop the general babblespeak.
I don't care what you think rape is--I want you to stick to consensual, generally and widely acceped definitions of rape, which are legal, social, or scientific.
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It's clear that you're attempt at intelligence is just a ruse. You realize there is more to a word then the legal definition? No matter how you slice it, rape is sexual intercourse without consent, and that happens in the wild quite often (if not all the time).
Just accept it and move on, you clearly are not able to grasp the fallacy I'm displaying
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the word rape is applied to humans as a general rule... but with that exception there is no universally accepted legal or social definition... remember the rape of the lock?
this is why the word paradigm (or model) was included.... the paradigm of forced sexual coercion between animals (which matches well with the word rape)... is an area highly researched
there are socio and biological theories of rape... many of these scientific theories seek to account for the behavior of all organisms..... fish all the way up to humans
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I believe one such theory is genetic extinction. Under that threat if usual methods don't acquire a mate then more forceful methods are needed.
But rape does occur quite often in our close cousins (ape, monkeys), bottlenose dolphins, and insects.
But then again, just because it's natural doesn't mean it's good. Hence the Appeal to Nature fallacy.
Sea otters – cute, furry, adorable, clams-wouldn't-melt-in-their-mouths sea otters – have been observed forcibly copulating with, and in the process killing, juvenile harbor seals off California.
Writing in a recent edition of the journal Aquatic Mammals, Heather Harris of the California Department of Fish and Game and colleagues document 19 occurrences of this behavior in Monterey Bay between 2000 and 2002, leading to the deaths of at least 15 seals.
Writing in a recent edition of the journal Aquatic Mammals, Heather Harris of the California Department of Fish and Game and colleagues document 19 occurrences of this behavior in Monterey Bay between 2000 and 2002, leading to the deaths of at least 15 seals.
Naturalist George Levick ventured to the South Pole with the 1910-1913 Scott Antarctic Expedition. His report on the sexual behaviors of these penguins was deemed too extreme for publication and was hidden for one hundred years. According to Douglas Russel who analyzed his work in 2012, "The pamphlet, declined for publication with the official Scott expedition reports, commented on the frequency of sexual activity, auto-erotic behavior, and seemingly aberrant behavior of young unpaired males and females, including necrophilia, sexual coercion, sexual and physical abuse of chicks and homosexual behavior.
Dolphin males will form gangs, kidnap a female and then take turns raping her. What happens if there are no females around? Well, they don't turn to seals like the otters do ... they just rape a male instead.
i consider forcible copulation to death in the animal kingdom to be rape
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1.) Present links to these biological theories of rape in fish and other animals from reputable scientific authorities or withdraw your assertion as baseless
2.) when yousay 'socio'' you are talking about human culture, and this does not support your assertion.
3.) forced sexual coercion between animals is not the equivalent of rape as rape is defined with definitions like these:
the crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with the offender against their will.
a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or is below the legal age of consent
the commission of unlawful sexual intercorse or unlawful sexual intrusion.
Rape is unlawful sexual activity involving sexual intercourse that happens by force or under the threat of some form of harm.
Your sloppy equivalencies regarding animal references don't come anywhere near accepted definitions of rape.
male scorpionflies who have a notal organ (clamp) located on the top of their abdomen that, as far as the authors can tell, was designed specifically for rape. This organ is only used to gain sexual access to unwilling female scorpionflies when males have no nuptial gift (hardened salvia or a dead insect). Human males do not have a similar rape organ, but the authors argue that the rape adaptation is found in the male psyche.:
A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion by Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer
Cambridge, Mass.: The MIT Press, 2000
socio in this context is social behavior among two or more organisms, typically from the same species
science does not require either human or culture to establish social behavior
rape is defined with definitions like these??????.... nothing is defined if multiple definitions are required...
all of your definitions are legal... not applicable in science.....words like crime, consent, offender, person, unlawful....
i'll work on my sloppy equivalencies
2011 news article in Discovery.com called The Other Side of Otters
"A weaned harbor seal pup was resting onshore when an untagged male sea otter approached it, grasped it with its teeth and forepaws, bit it on the nose, and flipped it over. The harbor seal moved toward the water with the sea otter following closely. Once in the water, the sea otter gripped the harbor seal’s head with its forepaws and repeatedly bit it on the nose, causing a deep laceration. The sea otter and pup rolled violently in the water for approximately 15 min, while the pup struggled to free itself from the sea otter’s grasp. Finally, the sea otter positioned itself dorsal to the pup’s smaller body while grasping it by the head and holding it underwater in a position typical of mating sea otters. As the sea otter thrust his pelvis, his penis was extruded and intromission was observed. At 105 min into the encounter, the sea otter released the pup, now dead, and began grooming."
"A weaned harbor seal pup was resting onshore when an untagged male sea otter approached it, grasped it with its teeth and forepaws, bit it on the nose, and flipped it over. The harbor seal moved toward the water with the sea otter following closely. Once in the water, the sea otter gripped the harbor seal’s head with its forepaws and repeatedly bit it on the nose, causing a deep laceration. The sea otter and pup rolled violently in the water for approximately 15 min, while the pup struggled to free itself from the sea otter’s grasp. Finally, the sea otter positioned itself dorsal to the pup’s smaller body while grasping it by the head and holding it underwater in a position typical of mating sea otters. As the sea otter thrust his pelvis, his penis was extruded and intromission was observed. At 105 min into the encounter, the sea otter released the pup, now dead, and began grooming."
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For williaj9:
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'male scorpionflies who have a notal organ (clamp) located on the top of their abdomen that, as far as the authors can tell, was designed specifically for rape. This organ is only used to gain sexual access to unwilling female scorpionflies when males have no nuptial gift (hardened salvia or a dead insect). Human males do not have a similar rape organ, but the authors argue that the rape adaptation is found in the male psyche.:
A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion by Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer
Cambridge, Mass.: The MIT Press, 2000
Do you even appreciate the humor is the quotation?
a.) 'designed' specifically for rape I can't believe that two biological scientists are talking about physical features of scorpionflies being 'designed'. Evolved, meh, maybe.
b.) Human males, do have an organ used in rape, although I doubt that sicentists would agree the the penis is a rape organ. I also loved the mechanical metaphor of 'clamp'.
Biological scientists are operating in dangerous territory when discussing the male psyche. And notice the language 'the c.) authors ARGUE (not claim or prove) that the rape 'adaptation' is found in the male psyche. Two guys working with scorpionflies are talking way outside the area of their expertise when they discuss 'the male psyche'. But then it COULD be about the male psyche of scorpionflies...
d.) 'nuptial gift': OK, so now we're talking about reproductive biology in terms of wedding presents??? We're now in the unscientific realm of metaphor. Are you really going to tell me that you see biologists describing sexual behavior in terms or rape and wedding presents as anything other than metaphor? 'Wait til I get my clamp on you, darlin'...'
e.) I find a great deal of humor in the clause 'as far as the authors can tell'--maybe they can't
an admission of limitations?
f.) You adduce one book; I am going to investigate how it held up in peer review. Where are your other four references?
How do they know that the female scorpionflies are 'unwilling' as opposed to biologically non-receptive? I have a Doberman bitch that snarls and fights off the male when she's not receptive (anestrous), but I don't construe that as unwillingness. I think these guys are operating in metaphorical lala-land.
Volition attributed to a scorpionfly? Maybe because there's no wedding gift? Oh, brother.
But you did make me laugh: I'm going to order the book.
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'rape is defined with definitions like these??????.... nothing is defined if multiple definitions are required...'
all of your definitions are legal... not applicable in science.....words like crime, consent, offender, person, unlawful....
a.) I made no claim that multiple definitions are required. I guess what I was trying to do is illustrate that there is a consensus of what rape is by adducing multiple definitions that contain the same or similar differentiae.
A definition consists of the definiendum (the thing to be defined), a discrimen (a first general attempt at classification or categorization, and differentiae (elements that are necessary to make the definition exact. (example: a margarita is a cocktail made with tequila, lime juice and triple sec) What I tried to do is show that rape is defined as human behavior classified as a crime that involves sexual assault by or penetration of an unwilling recipient viewed as an offender/victim relationship.
b.) What logical principle do you know that insists that there be only be one definition of the definiendum, and that multiple definitions invalidate any one definition? Odd...and not true.
3.) socio in this context is social behavior. OK, humorously: so the exercise of the reproductive function of scorpionflies is social. Ah, what the hell...
4.) Your otter example (yes, I am trying to be funny) uses the words intromission and mating are used but never rape. Nothing more to be said there.
There's just one last thing, and then I'll buy you a drink! One of the most distinctive differences between human rape and the sometimes extremely aggressive male reproductive behavior elsewhere in the animal kingdom is that the rapist is NOT committing rape for the continuation of the species--it's exercise of violent sexual domination for the rapist's psychological and physical pleasure against an unwilling victim--it is not a reproductive effort, given that rape can be accomplished with an object or the forcible penetration of other parts of the body than the female vagina. And the rape of a male by another male is certainly not an attempt at reproduction.
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'male scorpionflies who have a notal organ (clamp) located on the top of their abdomen that, as far as the authors can tell, was designed specifically for rape. This organ is only used to gain sexual access to unwilling female scorpionflies when males have no nuptial gift (hardened salvia or a dead insect). Human males do not have a similar rape organ, but the authors argue that the rape adaptation is found in the male psyche.:
A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion by Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer
Cambridge, Mass.: The MIT Press, 2000
Do you even appreciate the humor is the quotation?
a.) 'designed' specifically for rape I can't believe that two biological scientists are talking about physical features of scorpionflies being 'designed'. Evolved, meh, maybe.
b.) Human males, do have an organ used in rape, although I doubt that sicentists would agree the the penis is a rape organ. I also loved the mechanical metaphor of 'clamp'.
Biological scientists are operating in dangerous territory when discussing the male psyche. And notice the language 'the c.) authors ARGUE (not claim or prove) that the rape 'adaptation' is found in the male psyche. Two guys working with scorpionflies are talking way outside the area of their expertise when they discuss 'the male psyche'. But then it COULD be about the male psyche of scorpionflies...
d.) 'nuptial gift': OK, so now we're talking about reproductive biology in terms of wedding presents??? We're now in the unscientific realm of metaphor. Are you really going to tell me that you see biologists describing sexual behavior in terms or rape and wedding presents as anything other than metaphor? 'Wait til I get my clamp on you, darlin'...'
e.) I find a great deal of humor in the clause 'as far as the authors can tell'--maybe they can't
an admission of limitations?f.) You adduce one book; I am going to investigate how it held up in peer review. Where are your other four references?
How do they know that the female scorpionflies are 'unwilling' as opposed to biologically non-receptive? I have a Doberman bitch that snarls and fights off the male when she's not receptive (anestrous), but I don't construe that as unwillingness. I think these guys are operating in metaphorical lala-land.
Volition attributed to a scorpionfly? Maybe because there's no wedding gift? Oh, brother.
But you did make me laugh: I'm going to order the book.
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'rape is defined with definitions like these??????.... nothing is defined if multiple definitions are required...'
all of your definitions are legal... not applicable in science.....words like crime, consent, offender, person, unlawful....
a.) I made no claim that multiple definitions are required. I guess what I was trying to do is illustrate that there is a consensus of what rape is by adducing multiple definitions that contain the same or similar differentiae.
A definition consists of the definiendum (the thing to be defined), a discrimen (a first general attempt at classification or categorization, and differentiae (elements that are necessary to make the definition exact. (example: a margarita is a cocktail made with tequila, lime juice and triple sec) What I tried to do is show that rape is defined as human behavior classified as a crime that involves sexual assault by or penetration of an unwilling recipient viewed as an offender/victim relationship.
b.) What logical principle do you know that insists that there be only be one definition of the definiendum, and that multiple definitions invalidate any one definition? Odd...and not true.
3.) socio in this context is social behavior. OK, humorously: so the exercise of the reproductive function of scorpionflies is social. Ah, what the hell...
4.) Your otter example (yes, I am trying to be funny) uses the words intromission and mating are used but never rape. Nothing more to be said there.
There's just one last thing, and then I'll buy you a drink! One of the most distinctive differences between human rape and the sometimes extremely aggressive male reproductive behavior elsewhere in the animal kingdom is that the rapist is NOT committing rape for the continuation of the species--it's exercise of violent sexual domination for the rapist's psychological and physical pleasure against an unwilling victim--it is not a reproductive effort, given that rape can be accomplished with an object or the forcible penetration of other parts of the body than the female vagina. And the rape of a male by another male is certainly not an attempt at reproduction.
