BBC Obsession?

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As others have said (including the OP), study after study that has actually checked ethnicity has found nothing to validate the BBC thing. It really does come up simply because it's taboo - there's some group of a 'lower-class/caste' that's seen as inferior, and that makes them off-limits which leads to fetishism.
There's big-white-dick stuff as someone else pointed out, but there have also been myths of Japanese guys having giant dicks compared to Chinese people (in Chinese porn) where the Japanese are seen as off-limits.
It's all hugely racist and really bothers me a lot. Being attracted to an ethnicity is okay (it's much more rare to have no bias in attraction) but maligning an entire group of people because it gets you off is horrible.

I grew up in Toronto, which is ethnically diverse so you don't see this sort of thing as much. That said, our culture is extremely influenced by American media, so the mythical 12" black dick is still a widely held belief. Of course, with so many believing that black guys have huge dicks, and yet black men not being particularly sought-after in the dating scene, it goes to show how little weight most folks put on dick size anyway. I think the only dick most people obsess over is their own :p
 

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Totally disagree. There is racism everywhere, South Africa, UK, India, Canada, just to name a few with histories of racism. And this BBC thing is not just an American 'issue'. I've seen plenty of other people from other countries into this.

You really hate America, don't you? You seem to hate on them all the time.

Firstly, I don't hate America - been living there for almost two years as a teenager and still have a condo in Florida for vacations. I love many aspects of America, Americans and American culture. I do however very much dislike the selfrightous, ignorant and unenlightened views of "Fox News" Americans. Being raised in multicultural settings and working all around the world for years, I really can't understand how so many people can be so uneducated.

Secondly, I don't see this thread as racism - I know there racism more or less everywhere. If I recall your OP correctly, you made a point of this thread being not about racism but on the myth and fetish of BBC. I've met the same fetish and myth about BBC elsewhere than America, but by no means to the same extend - in the US, it seems to be a fact that 'Black is bigger and better', in Asia and Europe the people I've talked to about it consider it a myth and/or an American cultural export. The first time I met the myth as a child was in American movies - I especially recall some Mel Brooks western flick, where the black sheriff was BBC. I recall asking my mother afterwards what the heck all the hints about the BBC was. Actually, pretty embarrassing asking that question - but I was only 8'ish, so I didn't know better.

Thirdly, I know I'm a bitch, but I always try to be an unbiased and honest bitch.
 
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I pretty much stopped reading this after this sentence. 99% of the time when people start something off with a sentence, it is usually followed by saying something racist or incredibly idiotic.

For future reference, a sentence like that will instantly cause people (like me) too look for racial undertones in your posting and will likely offend people and start an issue. You could have written the entire thing without that start off and actually seemed like you had a point instead the only thing I think now, is that you seem indeed what you claim to not be!
hairyversmuscle, you have a problem.
Spoken like a man never been in the real world. Have you ever been in e.g. Japan? If so, you would know better...
Absolutely not the case. The Japanese are infatuated with Audrey Hepburn. She embodies a paradigm of "kawaii" (cuteness) that the culture holds in very high esteem. You can watch Love in the Afternoon, Roman Holiday or Sabrina almost any day of the week somewhere in Tokyo. She appears regularly on television. The novel: Audrey Hepburn's Neck by Alan Browne sold extremely well in Japan, and there are posters and giant billboards of her everywhere. To the Japanese, she represents the ideal as far as facial features are concerned, and plastic surgery to attempt to emulate her looks is commonplace.
 

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It's about this weird fetish or fantasy here and elsewhere with BBC, the objectification of black men and this idea that their big dicks are better than others based seemingly on race alone and other weird myths and stigmas. Not by them but for people who have this fantasy. To me it's objectifying and degrading but others might feel differently.

PS I get that the tv jokes are funny. But let's try to stay OT. ;)

You sort of answered your own question there. Honestly, it shouldn't bother or bewilder anyone because as you rightly stated, it's a fetish, which by definition is objectifying something. Sure it's based on racially charged myths about black masculinity, and that's where a lot of the "touchiness" comes in, but it is a fetish nonetheless. There is really nothing to "get", as fetishes have a vast variety of psychological origins. Either you're into it or not. It's not necessarily demeaning or degrading because fetishes are meant to exaggerate a feature.
Would you say a person who has a foot fetish is degrading someone because they are focusing on their feet instead of the entire person? Sexual fetishes are generally explored in privacy, within a sort of "fence" in the mind. In this exploration, the person is devalued in exchange for emphasis on an aspect of their being. Once this exploration is over, people go about their business as usual. Honestly, you shouldn't feel uneasy that a BBC fetish devalues black men because all sexual fetishes devalue the person, that's the essence of it. The only question is whether the person is devalued beyond the mental confines of the fetish or if it extends into core beliefs, and that varies from person to person.
 
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I think it's probably much more complex than people think, and probably has so many fundamental reason behind it you could probably fill a library on the subject.

IMHO I don't necessarily buy into the taboo, or caste reasons as being the sole or primary basis of the fetish or attraction. I think the very base reason is that opposites attract, and there is a human nature to be attracted to contrasting colors on a very primeval level. I could be wrong but I usually find when I do the double take watching a BBC porn clip and such, it is the first thing that I think draws my attention.
 

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There is a universal caste system, brought on by religion, where white is considered good and pure, and anything non-white is considered tainted. The European standard of beauty is the standard by which we judge each other and ourselves. The further from that standard we are, the more we’re considered to be evil, ugly, or savage. When it comes to interracial relationships, whether it’s a white man and a black woman, a black man and a white woman, or an interracial homosexual relationship, it is always assumed that the darker partner is the more savage of the two. Due to this caste system, white women are considered to be the ultimate beauties, while black men are considered to be the ultimate beasts. Thus the demand for straight porn where white women are pseudo-raped by big-dicked black men.

The Thug standard is the standard by which modern-day black men are judged, and by which we judge ourselves. Both black and white societies expect black men to be thuggish. The darker a black man’s skin is, the more he’s perceived as being the ultimate savage. And of course, because his super dark skin marks him as the ultimate man-beast, he must also have a massive black penis and he’s expected to use his massive black penis as a weapon.

Some black men embrace the thug culture, some don’t. It’s kind of like that Bonnie Raitt song, “Let’s give them something to talk about”. Because they’ve already paid for a crime they haven’t committed, many black men become what society wants them to be, thugs.

Thug culture has taken over black culture. It’s taken over sports and the entertainment industry. If Michael Jackson or Lionel Richie were trying to break into show business now, they’d never make it because they’re not raw enough. Today’s society expects black men to be two-dimensional thugs, not three-dimensional human beings.

There is some hope for black men. President Barack Obama is a masculine in-charge black (bi-racial) man who respects his black wife and provides for his children. Dave Chappelle cancelled his t.v. show because he didn’t like the images of black men he was displaying to the mass media. Most recently, Jay Z., husband of Beyonce and father to Blue Ivy, has decided to never again use the word bitch in any of his new music.

Ultimately it’s up to black men to take control of the images they put out in the world, in the porn industry, in the mass media, and ultimately in their everyday lives.

Being a big dicked black man, I've experienced the real life hype of what huge sexual equipment I'm often expected to be endowed with as a normal thing when it comes to my sexuality and/or intercourse.

> This great post by WillyLong is an opinion that I totally agree with.
 
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Personally, I just find the fetish quite disturbing and want absolutely part in any BBC fantasy. I enjoy someone wanting to be with me for me as a whole person, not just some portion of my body. Honestly, I find guys whom take part in this type of fetish very sad individuals because if you want to objectify yourself in such manner it says more about your self-value than anything else.
 
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You sort of answered your own question there. Honestly, it shouldn't bother or bewilder anyone because as you rightly stated, it's a fetish, which by definition is objectifying something. Sure it's based on racially charged myths about black masculinity, and that's where a lot of the "touchiness" comes in, but it is a fetish nonetheless. There is really nothing to "get", as fetishes have a vast variety of psychological origins. Either you're into it or not. It's not necessarily demeaning or degrading because fetishes are meant to exaggerate a feature.
Would you say a person who has a foot fetish is degrading someone because they are focusing on their feet instead of the entire person? Sexual fetishes are generally explored in privacy, within a sort of "fence" in the mind. In this exploration, the person is devalued in exchange for emphasis on an aspect of their being. Once this exploration is over, people go about their business as usual. Honestly, you shouldn't feel uneasy that a BBC fetish devalues black men because all sexual fetishes devalue the person, that's the essence of it. The only question is whether the person is devalued beyond the mental confines of the fetish or if it extends into core beliefs, and that varies from person to person.

I couldn't of said it better myself.
As someone who has been the "BBC" brought in for white wives...I can tell you that it's PLAY, nothing more nothing less. Is there a racial aspect? Duh. Who cares? It's PLAY.
 

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Personally, I just find the fetish quite disturbing and want absolutely part in any BBC fantasy. I enjoy someone wanting to be with me for me as a whole person, not just some portion of my body. Honestly, I find guys whom take part in this type of fetish very sad individuals because if you want to objectify yourself in such manner it says more about your self-value than anything else.

I can understand where Kayman is coming from, but personally I am very attracted to black men. The size of what they are packing is not an issue to me at all. I find black men to be very exciting and good in bed and have had the privilege of servicing a range of sizes. The best sex and relationship I have had to date - was with a black dude with an very average sized dick. He put a whole new meaning on the word passion and knew exactly the right buttons to press - so in response to WillyLongs comment... I was the wild one! :tongue:
 

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I can understand where Kayman is coming from, but personally I am very attracted to black men. The size of what they are packing is not an issue to me at all. I find black men to be very exciting and good in bed and have had the privilege of servicing a range of sizes. The best sex and relationship I have had to date - was with a black dude with an very average sized dick. He put a whole new meaning on the word passion and knew exactly the right buttons to press - so in response to WillyLongs comment... I was the wild one! :tongue:

I am not talking about having relationships with black men rather just objectifying for them for sex only.
 

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You sort of answered your own question there. Honestly, it shouldn't bother or bewilder anyone because as you rightly stated, it's a fetish, which by definition is objectifying something. Sure it's based on racially charged myths about black masculinity, and that's where a lot of the "touchiness" comes in, but it is a fetish nonetheless. There is really nothing to "get", as fetishes have a vast variety of psychological origins. Either you're into it or not. It's not necessarily demeaning or degrading because fetishes are meant to exaggerate a feature.
Would you say a person who has a foot fetish is degrading someone because they are focusing on their feet instead of the entire person? Sexual fetishes are generally explored in privacy, within a sort of "fence" in the mind. In this exploration, the person is devalued in exchange for emphasis on an aspect of their being. Once this exploration is over, people go about their business as usual. Honestly, you shouldn't feel uneasy that a BBC fetish devalues black men because all sexual fetishes devalue the person, that's the essence of it. The only question is whether the person is devalued beyond the mental confines of the fetish or if it extends into core beliefs, and that varies from person to person.
I would have to disagree. As a young black male, I would say it DOES devalue me.

We're not heroes, never was and probably never will be. A black man can't be Superman. But he can be the thug Superman beats up. Media always has a negative image of us and the only 'positive' is in the bed room. I hate that. A LOT.

Why is it every time someone, especially a celeb marries or dates a black person, it's 'abnormal'? Like something is wrong with it? It is usually a 'tainted' sort of view. Didn't someone here post a cover of a porno that say's 'oh no, there's a negro in my daughter'?It's so taboo. There are many men that won't date a girl if he finds out that she went black before.

Again, I don't like the federalization. I like seeing individuals for who they are. People may have certain traits, but because of the diversity of the world there's a high chance the person next to you will vary in size.

I'm not small or necessarily big (It's about 7'' max I think, but I would say small due to black standards, guess) but if a girl does consider me big I dont' want her to be with me just for that. Or anyone for that matter.

Every time I see a craigslist or grind posting, it either excludes black guys or you have to be an owner of the BBC. It's ridiculous if you ask me.
 

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I would have to disagree. As a young black male, I would say it DOES devalue me.

Of course it does, that's what I said...
Since it's a fetish, it devalues you. As does every other type of objectification.


The only thing that makes this fetish controversial is the racial stuff behind it, that's all. Whether people choose to believe stereotypes is their own concern. There are genuinely people who buy into the stereotypes and want to find ways to enforce their beliefs. And there are others who are simply playing with a fantasy. I can see how people would be bothered by it but if it isn't harming anyone and it's all in fun, then who's to judge?

Personally it doesn't bother me either way, because I'm so over racial issues and I understand how fetishes and attractions function.
 

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On a site dedicated to big penises - there are people that don't understand why a man would want his cock to be objectified?

You realize being objectified in this case means a nice lady sucking on it, right?

Do you understand the difference between fantasy and reality?
 

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I would have to disagree. As a young black male, I would say it DOES devalue me.

We're not heroes, never was and probably never will be. A black man can't be Superman. But he can be the thug Superman beats up. Media always has a negative image of us and the only 'positive' is in the bed room. I hate that. A LOT.

Why is it every time someone, especially a celeb marries or dates a black person, it's 'abnormal'? Like something is wrong with it? It is usually a 'tainted' sort of view. Didn't someone here post a cover of a porno that say's 'oh no, there's a negro in my daughter'?It's so taboo. There are many men that won't date a girl if he finds out that she went black before.

Again, I don't like the federalization. I like seeing individuals for who they are. People may have certain traits, but because of the diversity of the world there's a high chance the person next to you will vary in size.

I'm not small or necessarily big (It's about 7'' max I think, but I would say small due to black standards, guess) but if a girl does consider me big I dont' want her to be with me just for that. Or anyone for that matter.

Every time I see a craigslist or grind posting, it either excludes black guys or you have to be an owner of the BBC. It's ridiculous if you ask me.

I'd like you to show me one mainstream media article or quote in which a celeb married to a black person is called "abnormal"
 

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On a site dedicated to big penises - there are people that don't understand why a man would want his cock to be objectified?

You realize being objectified in this case means a nice lady sucking on it, right?

Do you understand the difference between fantasy and reality?
Not necessarily. There's a difference between objectifying a part of me, and the whole of me.

It's like how people see Will Smith as an individual, instead of a fling. Especially for later in life. It's a bit hard to explain what I'm exactly feeling.

It's like being chosen for a sport because I'm black, then walking away utterly disappointed or overly acknowledging my abilities if I were another color...