Sorry Flash, I had to go to bed.
I think you need to do a bit more research into historical timelines.
Moses came from Egypt and never actually got further than Elam, Joshua invaded as you say and later still David and Saul established through conquest what you seem to think was always Jewish Land. Then every empire in the region took their turn in owning the land, Egyptians, Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians etc. Ironically the Persians (Iran) restored the Jews to Zion and built the second temple. Finally the Romans threw the Jews out in 76 and 130 AD, some 600 years before the creation of Islam. So the Jews weren't in the area in any significant numbers for six hundred years before Islam and 1200 after.
You just said it all. "The Jews weren't in the area in any significant numbers"
They were in fact there. You know absolutely nothing. What is "significant"? There were in the 1750s nearly 20,000 Jews in Jerusalem alone.
Fredrick Hasselquist, Stockholm, 1757, written in Swedish. This book was considered so important that it was speedily translated into English and published in London under the title Voyages and Travels in the Levant.
His teacher sent him in 1749 to the Holy Land and neighboring countries, and he stayed until 1752, studying native flowers and plants. His report was published on orders of Her Majesty the Queen in Stockholm in 1757.
Most important to us today is his description of his visit to Jerusalem and its Jewish population: "Jerusalem has among its inhabitants 20,000 Jews. In the Jewish Quarter, Jewish women go around without veils, which Turkish (Arab) women are not permitted to do. Most of the Jews are poor, as they are not permitted to conduct commerce, which would be their natural occupation. They have no income other than what pilgrims of their own nation -- coming to Jerusalem from all corners of the earth -- distribute in aims. Their leading rabbi has handsome revenues of which he must pay the Turks the major part, as must the Christians, in taxes heavily imposed on them for the right to kiss their holy sites."
Those who were there constantly were the Philistines, read Palestinians. However to call Islam your oppressor is quite simply wrong.
You are laughable...the Philistines were not Arabs, you moron. The Philistines were a sea-faring pirate nation that settled there after having originated in Greece...and they settled on the Southern Coast of the Holy Land, never in Samaria (Northern West Bank. )
You are a joke...the Philistines were at constant war with the Hebrews, but by 600 B.C. their culture had disappeared completely. They were not, and never were Arabs, or "Palestinians"
Maybe you should read some history instead of lecturing others.
Philistines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You have affirmed your own stupidity and ignorance about history. Palestinian ARABS are ARABS, not Greeks or Myceneans.
There have been so many mass migrations of peoples and tribes in the last 3200 years that it would be completely ridiculous to wish to "repatriate" everyone.
Funny, then, that people like yourself seek to repatriate 4 million of them to ISrael/Palestine if it is so completely ridiculous.
I suppose you never heard of "population transfers"? It has gone on in the tens of millions over history. It is necessary to solve problems when some people simply cannot get along.
What the visionary Herzl saw, was the growing anti Jewish behaviour in Europe because of the general growth of nationalism. He believed, and he was proved right, that Jewish people needed their own homeland. Herzl wasn't particularly bothered that it should be the ancient historic territory of Israel, he had a vision of a political Utopia through which the Jewish people would demonstrate how civilised people could live to the rest of the world. Sadly he died prematurely.
His successors in the Zionist movement closed in on Israel, though many orthodox Jews consider this a heresy as only God can lead the Jews back to Zion. Political events of the first half of the Twentieth Century led to the Balfour declaration and the Palestinian Mandate.
And? i have read Herzl. I do not need a lecture about the Zionist movement.
As Redboy correctly states, both of these agreements proscribed only certain territories to the Jewish settlers and protected the rights of the indignous people.
Redboy does not correctly state it, nor do you. The Arabs never agreed to these, while the Jews did. The Jews agreed to their small 56% of the land west of the Jordan river, 50% of which was desert. The Arabs did not accept, and declared war after ISrael declard independence. As such, the Arabs had no "rights" under these "agreements" since they did not agree to them.
They should have agreed.
Whether right or wrong, modern Israel has not kept to the terms of either of these agreements.
Funny...because there was never an agreement. the Arabs rejected them. Which means you, are in fact, wrong. If an agreement is not signed, or is rejected, then those agreements do not, in fact have any validity.
This is why the area is in such shit today. Personally I think that the original leaders of modern Israel always had every intention of expanding their territory and expelling the Palestinians, however that isn't really relevant to the thread.
That is why you are a fool. Post 1967 war, the Jews could have expelled the remaining Arab in the just conquered West Bank. Ben Gurion chose not to expel all the Arabs in 1948 either. Thus, there are ISraeli- Arabs today, and Arabs in the West Bank.
My simple point in response to the OP, is that he may sadly be correct, not because one branch of one country's government has the latest populist leader to soap box about the fate of the Palestinians, but because there is total intransigience amongst Israel supporters to accept that there is even a case to be answered in the Palestinian issue.
Sorry, when islamofascist regimes, with a history of repressing and massacring the Jews begin lecturing and threaten others, you will forgie the rest of us for displaying "intransigience" as so politely call it. The fact is that the Palestinians are once again slitting their own throats.
This will end in one of two ways. Either the Palestinians grow up and accept a two state solution, with a stable, secular government (which they have no capability of doing) that focuses on itself and its future and not destruction of ISrael, or, with theeventual transfer of the Palestinians working in concert with a massive economic resettlement plan.
No other way. The PAlestinian refugees, the majority of which have never lived anywhere within the West Bank or Israel will not be allowed to return to inside ISraeli borders. Never will happen. No nation will commit suicide.
Of course the real issue has nothing to do with Israel, it's just part of this ongoing madness that is the struggle for the world's oil supply. Israel just gives the US a potential excuse.
I see...that may be the issue between the US and Iran, but i assure you, oil is not, in fact, the issue between Iran and ISrael, which is the topic of the thread, not U.S. energy concerns.
You Flash, are warmongering which is perhaps as stupid as you could get given the existing situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your Islamophobia would get you banned if you said such things about Jewish people or Black people. But I guess AyRabs are undermensch and don't really count, eh?
