Loneliness

well AG08, it looks like you may have killed this thread.... poopy.... i was quite enjoying this one.....

For expressing my opinions? Are you for real? :rolleyes: You seem like a chronically negative person anyways from your previous posts. It's not surprising in the least that you don't have any friends.

BTW, it was my original comments in another thread that sparked this thread (see post #1).
 
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It is an interesting thread and I'm glad it was started. I have three close friends: my wife and my two lovers; all women. With lovers you have to work at the friendship even if a large part of it is sex. You have to have common ground and common interests to talk about and to share. Women will not have an affair based on sex if they don't have feelings towards you too. Even though you aren't in love you are good friends who share good times together. Close friendships just don't happen: they have to be initated, nurtured and allowed to grow and develop. And you have to put in the effort to keep in touch or else they will fade away.

I have led an interesting life with lots of travel, lots of lovers, lots of experiences and a few really bad things too. This seems to make me more interesting to others, and it's easier to build on that as a foundation for a friendship. I continue to lead an interesting life with my motorcycle, ongoing travel and also writing and being published, and all this helps. For my women at least, being an interesting and wordly man means a lot. I wish I had at 20 what I have now, but life isn't like that. The pleasures and the pain, especially the pain, make us who we are. But only when the pain, the bad things, are taken in stride. Not becoming reclusive or depressed because of chronic pain and mild incapacity (which I have).

I think Phil is right when he posted that you have to make the effort. If you don't then a great part of life will pass you by. I have made the effort, and I'm more glad that I have what I have than I could ever describe in mere words. I hope this inspires those who are happy alone that there is an alternative, and it may well be better.
 
can be pretty well overcome by being in control of all matters of self worth and contentment within yourself
there are those who have never spent time trying to attain such
a majority just need to get there priorities right, in many cases
have known lessors to have a far more comfortable, with a virtual loneliness under control with there solo lifestyle
than those in a lifetime pursuit of, Hetero Marriage, an Intellectual Career path or many others of the supposed accepted norms of Society
 
Strangely, I don't feel so alone when I hear that others experience lonliness :)

This thread has had the opposite effect on me. I felt extremely lonely last weekend when this thread was started. It reminded me that no one seems to care about me and that I don't any true friends. This discussion has caused me to evaluate what it is about me that makes me lonely and the reasons that different types of people avoid me. The result is not flattering to my personality.
 
I thought that I was the only lonely guy...

It is really nice knowing that someone on LPSG feels lonely like I do.

I hope that everyone finds some friends...or a positive means of dealing with loneliness.
 
And now we know why fraternal clubs like the Masons, Civitans, Rotary, Lions, Kiwanis, and Shiners were important 100 years ago. Service club membership has dropped like a rock over the past 30 years...maybe those old timers were smarter than we give them credit!
For the younger set, I think it also addresses fraternities, and even sports teams.

For quite a while, after graduating, I was part of a rec team, mainly for the bonding. While I liked the sport, my reason for doing it was more, "I just really like being part of a team again."
 
well AG08, it looks like you may have killed this thread.... poopy.... i was quite enjoying this one.....

For expressing my opinions? Are you for real? :rolleyes: You seem like a chronically negative person anyways from your previous posts. It's not surprising in the least that you don't have any friends.

This was not.

You took my quote out of context exwhyzee. :mad: I was pointing out that being chronically negative and being accusatory towards people for simply expressing their opinions is a good way to end up friendless. I have said this many times before, and I will say it again; you get out what you put in when it comes to making friends. Plain and simple.
 
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When I was single I actually enjoyed my own company, but I don't think I have ever felt more alone and and desperate than when I settled for the wrong relationship. I learned that it's better to be alone by your self than lonely with another person because you were afraid of being alone.
 
There is a difference in being alone and lonely. While there is a part of me that enjoys interactions with others and perhaps go as far as say a relationship with someone, I find that I possess little patience in dealing with people who appear to be clueless about how they conduct themselves when in public and how their behavior affects others. :eek:

After a long day at the office where I assist customers over the phone, help them navigate the usage of products/services, explain billing and review the contract they never bothered to read prior to signing thus obligating themselves to the terms and conditions therein - I'm exhausted. The thought of having to go out and meet new people, or interact with others, is as about as enticing as a root-canal without anesthesia. :cool:

When I was younger, I enjoyed going out, interacting with others, and meeting new people. But as I age and approach 50, I've noticed that we're becoming a society focused about instant gratification with minimal investment, self-absorbed individuals, who possess boorish manners, and who are raising children who model same traits set forth by their parents and my patience is tested to its limits.:redface: Today, we appear to be defined by the clothes worn, cars we drive, $$ made, zip code lived in and IMO it's even worse within the gay community, as one has to add to that list possessions of a large endowment and testicular size, full head of hair, bulging muscles, masculinity, versus what's truly important - a person's character and how they treat their fellow man/woman/child/animal.

I summize that guys like myself are at home, also minimizing interaction with others because they are tired of being made to feel "less than", because they don't measure up to the societal/gay standards of success, beauty, masculinity and overall being accepted for their true selves. Sad, I know. I think one's choice of solitude is part exhaustion for having tried to fit in and be accepted and failed, and part emotional survival and learning to live their lot in life and find happiness and acceptance with their own company. The more I've socialized or dated the more I love my cats.:rolleyes:

Just my two cents - Kiltiesf :smile:
 
I do struggle with loneliness. Money and fame were never goals of mine either. And a family just doesn't seem to be a good fit for me. I use to want a bro or gang but after a few attempts and having noticed that those bonds weren't very strong to begin with, i started searching for some resemblance of inner peace.

I think you are spot on with the notion of other people's agenda. People's agenda's seemed to be more important to the whole bonding experience than the actual experience itself. The i am...so you should be as well...bit people do. Or a Happiness needs co-signers sort of thing.
 
There is a difference in being alone and lonely. While there is a part of me that enjoys interactions with others and perhaps go as far as say a relationship with someone, I find that I possess little patience in dealing with people who appear to be clueless about how they conduct themselves when in public and how their behavior affects others. :eek:

I agree. I have cut off contact with many people like you described above. I felt embarrassed to be in their company.

After a long day at the office where I assist customers over the phone, help them navigate the usage of products/services, explain billing and review the contract they never bothered to read prior to signing thus obligating themselves to the terms and conditions therein - I'm exhausted. The thought of having to go out and meet new people, or interact with others, is as about as enticing as a root-canal without anesthesia. :cool:

I can empathize with you there. My job requires me to deal with a lot of difficult people (including my co-workers). I used to feel the same as you, but found that I was only hurting myself by cutting myself off from everyone. I learned quickly to leave work at work, and to not socialize with my co-workers at all. I don't even want to be in the same office with them (thankfully at my job I can spend as little time in there as I want), so why would I want to socialize with them outside of work? By "compartmentalizing" people (for lack of a better term), I found that I became interested again in creating social bonds with people. My co-workers are just people I work with (not my friends), and the people I teach are nothing more than a paycheque to me. The people I choose to spend time with are friends. I refuse to waste a second of my personal time on anyone that I don't like.

When I was younger, I enjoyed going out, interacting with others, and meeting new people. But as I age and approach 50, I've noticed that we're becoming a society focused about instant gratification with minimal investment, self-absorbed individuals, who possess boorish manners, and who are raising children who model same traits set forth by their parents and my patience is tested to its limits.:redface: Today, we appear to be defined by the clothes worn, cars we drive, $$ made, zip code lived in and IMO it's even worse within the gay community, as one has to add to that list possessions of a large endowment and testicular size, full head of hair, bulging muscles, masculinity, versus what's truly important - a person's character and how they treat their fellow man/woman/child/animal.

Yes! The "me first" mentality (as I like to call it) drives me insane! I love giving these kids a very badly needed reality check at work. They may be mommy & daddy's little princess/prince, but they sure as hell aren't mine! :tongue:

I summize that guys like myself are at home, also minimizing interaction with others because they are tired of being made to feel "less than", because they don't measure up to the societal/gay standards of success, beauty, masculinity and overall being accepted for their true selves. Sad, I know. I think one's choice of solitude is part exhaustion for having tried to fit in and be accepted and failed, and part emotional survival and learning to live their lot in life and find happiness and acceptance with their own company. The more I've socialized or dated the more I love my cats.:rolleyes:

I'm not gay, so I can't comment here. It's quite interesting to know though that gay people go through the same shit that straight people do. I'm very thankful for my marriage. At my age (45), I just don't have the energy to be out on the market again. The more people I meet, the more I love my 2 dogs!

Just my two cents - Kiltiesf :smile:

Great post! :cool:
 
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I'm lonely most times. I sometimes want to meet new people, and have conversations, but on the other hand I'm shy, and don't really communicate well. I never had tons of friends, and when I moved away for school I never really made many new ones. Part of the reason I'm so shy is because of the bullying I've endured, I tend to think most people don't like me, then I start thinking that they whisper crap about me. I wish I could just get over all of this insecurity crap because I'd love to have friends, and a relationship, but atm it's not happening.
 
it won't happen in my teen years since I'm now 23. Hopefully before my 30's though.






tbh i was aware, had picked that up elsewhere
was referring to Teens i have known, incl Myself actually, something terrible at the time
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