Seriously WHY

[AlteredEgo]

Once again,where was this info shared?

I already showed you in my last comment. I've been thinking since then. Sometimes men behave a certain way with women, and they don't have to touch us to make us fear for our well-being.

I almost forgot about this time two summers ago. I went for a walk very late at night in my old neighborhood. A man with a briefcase handcuffed to himself had a bizarre conversation with me. The conversation put me on edge, and I tried to leave the scene. He grabbed my hand, and asked me out. I declined, and he kept my hand. He told me he was a diamond dealer. I realized if that were true, he'd be armed. This is what saved him from an instant physical attack from me. He forced me to take his telephone number, and swear to call him. I don't usually tell this part when I tell the story but, I pushed him into traffic and ran down a dark street, taking the long way home because I thought I could lose him. I heard him calling out after me. He said, "You don't like me do you? I bet you don't call" or something like that.

Another time a cab driver decided he didn't like the fare established by the TLC for my destination. So, he drove me into a deserted area and tried to frighten me. It worked. He never laid a hand on me, but I had no idea what he intended. So, I stabbed him behind his right clavicle. I sincerely hope I punctured a lung. I only regret leaving my weapon in his mean, little body when I fled. He took me to a desolated area to do God only knows what to me, over a $2 discrepancy he could have cleared up by calling his dispatcher. I bet he never menaces another "helpless" woman again. If he does, I hope she has the wherewithal to stop him too.

Sometimes, people need to be taught a lesson. I empathize with NJQT in this situation. If it had been I, I would have been alarmed, but only for a fraction of a second. I learned a long time ago to assert myself with bullies. It's the only way.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I don't see a tit grab mentioned anywhere,and when has a tit grab caused permenant physical damage?a kick to the balls can do just that.

Who cares if a tit grab causes permanent damage (which it sometimes does, emotionally)? If you molest people, they might hurt you. It's neither unreasonable, nor difficult to comprehend. If that's what he did, he won't do it to another woman soon, I bet.

 

[Patchos]

Who cares if a tit grab causes permanent damage (which it sometimes does, emotionally)? If you molest people, they might hurt you. It's neither unreasonable, nor difficult to comprehend. If that's what he did, he won't do it to another woman soon, I bet.

Having to justify this stuff is just beyond belief.

I am one of the luckiest women I know, all because I have never been assaulted by a man. If and when it happens, I envision my response being split-second extreme violence that I never would have thought myself capable of. Whatever it takes to get free and run for my life.

You are incredibly brave AE. I hope I'd be able to do what you did.

 

[Ed69]

I already showed you in my last comment. QUOTE]

No you did not.Where is the link to the text that says he did put his hands on her?Show me,or relax,your're getting way too knotted up.

 

[AlteredEgo]

:tongue:

I already showed you in my last comment. QUOTE]

No you did not.Where is the link to the text that says he did put his hands on her?Show me,or relax,your're getting way too knotted up.

I already explained to you that you and I have a completely different interpretation of the exact same words. I'm not the only one who's explained it to you at this point. We're both operating on assumptions, and would have to wait for the final word from NJQT about whether or not he actually touched her. It's my opinion, however, that if he touched her, or if he only made her afraid, she had every right to hit him, wherever she felt most confident she could strike successfully so that she could remove herself from the situation.

 

[Ed69]

:tongue:

I already explained to you that you and I have a completely different interpretation of the exact same words. I'm not the only one who's explained it to you at this point. We're both operating on assumptions, and would have to wait for the final word from NJQT about whether or not he actually touched her. It's my opinion, however, that if he touched her, or if he only made her afraid, she had every right to hit him, wherever she felt most confident she could strike successfully so that she could remove herself from the situation.

You did not explain anything.

So it's my right to hurt people when I feel afraid.Great!I carry a 45 just for people that scare me!:smile:

 

[AlteredEgo]

:tongue:

You did not explain anything.

So it's my right to hurt people when I feel afraid.Great!I carry a 45 just for people that scare me!:smile:

It's your tool, and your consequences. Shoot anyone you like.

 

[Ed69]

My wife is the only one that gets to see my tool and watch me shoot:tongue::smile:!

 

[sassy Lisa]

Sorry, I do not agree with your idea... its impossible to predict at height of attack / crime if you can hit someone or where you might hit them.Its impossible to determine your strength against a man, especially if you are in a position that does not allow you to exert force. If a man is going to rape me and my arm has been pinned into a position where I can only aim for his groin, then I'll do my best to get away from him.

If anything, if a man plan on raping a woman (and/or ends up raping a woman) and the woman happens to be able to free herself or tries to get away, and ends up assaulting his groin, that's the price the man pays for.

I do agree that if a woman has gotten angry with a man and resorts to childlike behavior to try to get things her way or because she feels that she has no other means for her anger, that it's not right for her to do a low blow. my point exactly

While a person being physically attack by a mugger or a rapist may feel this is their only resort but the fact is I can do serious damage by kicking a man in the knee caps or if you have spiked heels by nailing them in the foot, headbutts work very well too.

The fact of the matter is this thread was started because I am sick to death of women who feel they are justified to hit a man in the groin because they were insulted, pissed off or what ever else they find as an excuse to hurt a man!!

 

[AlteredEgo]

The fact of the matter is this thread was started because I am sick to death of women who feel they are justified to hit a man in the groin because they were insulted, pissed off or what ever else they find as an excuse to hurt a man!!

Yeeeeah. But then you said self defense wasn't an excuse. Many of us don't agree with that. The fact is, in self defense, you do the best you can. No holds are barred, and if someone's 'nads get in the way of your knee, so be it.

And most people should avoid headbutts. Most people don't know how to do it right, and are not prepared for the pain of doing it wrong.

 

[sassy Lisa]

That statement of sassy Lisa's is what struck me as the stupidest I've read today. Thanks Gillette for responding more appropriately than I would have.



Ok, a few corrections on this. Firstly, if you've never been hit on the nose a blow there will recoil in shock, some people's eyes will tear up and possibly turn away. I've been hit on the nose several times (I'm an MMA instructor), and after you get used to the fact that there is no "killing blow", you basically roll off the punch and continue on, business as usual. You might be able to "break" the nose and make it bleed, but it really is no big deal.

An attacker is typically someone who's had some kind of abusive background. In other words, they would have gotten hit in the face at least once prior to your encounter. The shock effect is gone.

Second point, the solar plexus and throat may be good targets. but they're small and deceptively difficult to hit. An eye poke or groin shot is much more effective.

Sorry to say this, but if I was out to rape a woman, your misguided sense of self defense is exactly what I'd be looking for in a potential victim. Carry and know how to use a knife and you can equalize almost any attacker.

First I have never had a problem nailing anyone in the throat or the solar plexus. I have had however great diffculting hitting someone in the eyes.
Second even in self defense classes I have taken they tell you to go for the head and chest and the groin as a last resort. It has been shown that many guys out there get pissed of even more when you hit them in the groin.
But I do agree having a gun or knive and knowing how to use them well diffently level the playing field. Just make sure you can keep your head and not get it taken away and used on you.

 

[sassy Lisa]

Yeeeeah. But then you said self defense wasn't an excuse. Many of us don't agree with that. The fact is, in self defense, you do the best you can. No holds are barred, and if someone's 'nads get in the way of your knee, so be it.

And most people should avoid headbutts. Most people don't know how to do it right, and are not prepared for the pain of doing it wrong.

That's right Self defense isn't an excuse, I have had my share of attackers and Never once did I hit them in the groin and get away from them. One man actually threw me into the wall when I did kick him in the groin. I have found many of more painful ways to get an asshole off me without slamming his package with my knee.
So yeah I have found other ways to defend myself.

and no matter how you do it, A headbutt hurts both you and the victim but when your heart is pounding and you want to get the hell out of there. You don't feel the pain tell you are in a safe place. Get some asprin and some ice, then feel grateful you made it out of there with your life.

 

[ManlyBanisters]

I fully support NJQT's response to the situation, and empathize with her pain, outrage, and self-empowerment. A kick in the nuts is completely appropriate. I applaud her ability to stop it there. I might have required blood.

Seconded.

I also happen to have the inside scoop on what exactly happened - it is not mine to share but the 'walking funny' reference was an in joke and does not mean that NJ kicked, punched or in any way tackled the man's tackle.

That's right Self defense isn't an excuse

Yes it is - the majority of females AND males here agree that in self defense reasonable force is, unsurprisingly, reasonable and a kick in the balls is sometimes reasonable force.

If a person of unknown sex attacks me and I deem it reasonable force to crush that person's windpipe in self defense then I may well cause lasting damage but guess what.... fucker shouldn't have attacked me. Likewise for a kick in the balls in self defense. You may or may not have a point about it being a highly effective form of self defense - but that is not what people are trying to argue with you.

That's kind of beside the point though, because what has happened here, in reality, is that you and Ed have got your knickers in a knot over something your old sparring partner NJQT posted and you've had a rant about it. Well, you've misunderstood NJ's post and you are just plain wrong about the self defense issue.

 

[sassy Lisa]

Seconded.

I also happen to have the inside scoop on what exactly happened - it is not mine to share but the 'walking funny' reference was an in joke and does not mean that NJ kicked, punched or in any way tackled the man's tackle.



Yes it is - the majority of females AND males here agree that in self defense reasonable force is, unsurprisingly, reasonable and a kick in the balls is sometimes reasonable force.

If a person of unknown sex attacks me and I deem it reasonable force to crush that person's windpipe in self defense then I may well cause lasting damage but guess what.... fucker shouldn't have attacked me. Likewise for a kick in the balls in self defense. You may or may not have a point about it being a highly effective form of self defense - but that is not what people are trying to argue with you.

That's kind of beside the point though, because what has happened here, in reality, is that you and Ed have got your knickers in a knot over something your old sparring partner NJQT posted and you've had a rant about it. Well, you've misunderstood NJ's post and you are just plain wrong about the self defense issue.

Sorry but it has nothing to do with what happen between us and NJ in the past. The fact NJ stated it is beside the point. THE POINT IS THAT JOKING OR SERIOUS SLAMMING A MAN'S PACKAGE IS NOT RIGHT. I don't feel it is justified for any reason there are a thousand other ways to defend yourself and the fact that society in a whole has made this something exceptable in general is disgusting.

Once again I am in the minority but you know I like it here cause at least I am not a sheep running with the crowd.

 

[AlteredEgo]

That's right Self defense isn't an excuse, I have had my share of attackers and Never once did I hit them in the groin and get away from them. One man actually threw me into the wall when I did kick him in the groin. I have found many of more painful ways to get an asshole off me without slamming his package with my knee.
So yeah I have found other ways to defend myself.

and no matter how you do it, A headbutt hurts both you and the victim but when your heart is pounding and you want to get the hell out of there. You don't feel the pain tell you are in a safe place. Get some asprin and some ice, then feel grateful you made it out of there with your life.

You've managed to hit an assailant in the throat who was bigger than you? Where was he looking, exactly? Not down at you if you nailed him in the throat. I've been in a few awkward confrontations with too-aggressive men myself. The throat hasn't once been open to me, and I'm 5'9"!

Now, I've never done two things in a confrontation: I've never actually hit anyone with a closed fist, and I've never kicked a dude in his nuts on purpose. However, I reserve the right to do either in self defense. I just haven't needed to.

Most of the time, I've gotten myself out of trouble by screaming and making threatening gestures. I don't think this would work for someone smaller than I. I'm physically imposing. Many women are not. I've also done lots of stomping on feet, particularly when I lived in the Bronx. Trust me, that only works on some people. I've had more success with shin-kicking. I consider my most successful escape to be one where the guy was still stuck across the street and I vanished. But the root of my personal self-defense strategy is: do something surprising, be prepared to escalate to something more painful, escape.

Perhaps a knee to the groin isn't my first choice, but it's damn' sure an option. I've seem what I can do to a dude by accident. You bet your ass I'm willing to do it on purpose if it comes down to me or him, and if it makes sense. In a fight, you do what makes sense. There aren't any boundaries. I honestly think the reason I haven't lost an altercation yet is that I am willing to do anything to win. Anything.

As a funny anecdote, one dude I accidentally kneed in the groin was a dude on the train who molested me. I was trying to stomp on his foot, which I did next. I'm not sure he noticed. I pushed him out of the train at the next stop, and whether it was his stop I'll never know, but he disappeared with the crowd.

If anyone thinks they can do whatever they want to me and acts on that thought, I WILL do whatever seems right to me at the time- no limits.

You can keep sympathizing with bullies if you want.

 

[dolfette]

tralalalala!

 

[luka82]

Just carry a knife and split his balls!!!!!
That will teach the basterd a lesson! and he will never thing about touching anyones boobs!!!!
Sexual harrasment is one of the worst things that could happen to a human...and people who enjoy it, well, they need to be taught a lesson!!!

 

[Ethyl]

Sorry self defense is not an acceptable excuse, studies have shown that hitting a man in the nose, the solar plexis or even the throat has more impact than the groin. Fact you can permanenty disable a man by hitting him in the groin, Any woman who worships the penis should realize that if you hit him there he may never get it up again.

You cannot be serious. What parallel universe do you live in?

If that's what you believe, fine. Be prepared to teach your daughters that even if she's being gang-raped and beaten by a crowd of men, it's unbecoming of a woman to harm anyone's package and perfectly acceptable to allow them to go about their business.

Self defense is a perfectly good reason to obliterate a guy's nads if he's stupid enough to drag me in a dark alley with the intent to do only god knows what.

Go ahead. Teach your daughters how sacred the male genitalia is even in during a possible fight for her life. Her perpetrator will still be able to get it up and she'll be in the obituaries.

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

It is justified, if someone comes after any woman with the intention of hurting her it's within her rights to use whatever means she needs to stop him, it's self defense.

The law entitles you to defense of yourself and whatever you think Lisa doesn't really matter, no court in any western country would have a word to say about a woman kneeing a male attacker in the nads.

 

[RawDog]

First I have never had a problem nailing anyone in the throat or the solar plexus. I have had however great difficulting hitting someone in the eyes.

Keep all five fingers open, slightly spread apart, and deliver it straight, aiming your middlefinger to the top of his nose. The face is "streamlined" to have any fingers in that area head straight into the eye sockets. Pretty easy if you ask me, unless he had his head turned away, you tried a one finger poke, or you tried dragging your fingers across his face.

Your anecdote on the throat is questionable. The solar plexus shot is laughable. How many assaults have you been involved in?

Second even in self defense classes I have taken they tell you to go for the head and chest and the groin as a last resort.

Hmm, I was always taught, and have always taught, to take the opportunity when it presents itself.

It has been shown that many guys out there get pissed of even more when you hit them in the groin.

That's true with any part of the body. And if you're saying it's ineffective, then doesn't this negate your premise for this thread?

But I do agree having a gun or knive and knowing how to use them well diffently level the playing field. Just make sure you can keep your head and not get it taken away and used on you.

Knife, yes, gun, no. This is my personal opinion and for a lot of reasons that would meander too far off topic to cover.