Teach me how to turn someone down politely but effectively??

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This thread makes me very sad. It's why I don't hit on women. At most it's slightly witty flirtation, I engage in, which could be mistaken for normal conversation. I wait for signals to advance.

I'm the simple sort, so I would just say no thank you, increasing the volume and attitude as needed until it sounded like a battle cry. At some point you must draw your weapon

Jokes aside, I reiterate, this thread truly makes me very sad
 

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I'm always polite the first two times I turn someone down, and I believe everyone deserves that respect for risking rejection. However, when you encounter a woman who rudely shuts you down before you can even actually express your interest, or who just immediately responds to you meanly, you shouldn't judge too harshly. Other men taught her to do that.


And there are people like me who never learn or give too many chances. I'll pet a dog before being told he's safe. I always expect people to be nice until they prove that they aren't.

It might be a Southern hospitality thing or a cowboy thing, but I do tend to trust people too much. I have high expectations of everyone I meet, and that can present a problem because not everyone wants to be their best. That's what saddens me.
 

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the direct approach works often enough... tell him or any future him " buddy or dude in case you haven't noticed i'm trying to be nice here, nothing will ever happen between us, so in case you want me to keep being nice to you , you should back off , ok..? ". a quote like this is direct and makes your intentions clear as day.
 
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This thread makes me very sad. It's why I don't hit on women. At most it's slightly witty flirtation, I engage in, which could be mistaken for normal conversation.

I enjoy witty flirtation and innuendo, even (especially?) when it's clear nothing will happen.
There was nothing witty about this guy, he was just all over me and didn't take no for an answer :(
 

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I enjoy witty flirtation and innuendo, even (especially?) when it's clear nothing will happen.
There was nothing witty about this guy, he was just all over me and didn't take no for an answer :(

No, I get that, loud and clear. And I've seen it time and again. I have a young daughter in college that is getting used to this currently.

My main take away is that it is so disgusting and sad. Persistence and overt confidence in men is even glorified. I feel bad for you. I don't like being forceful, but sadly many don't listen to any other tone.

Seriously, speaking to him as though he is a dog with his nose in the garbage can will work, but it is not comfortable for nice people like yourself to do so.
 

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First off, you should never apologize for your disinterest in someone. Whether the reason is that you are with someone else or single and just aren't interested. Don't say "I'm sorry, but I have a boyfriend" he reads this as a possibility that he has a chance. In his mind he's thinking "yeah, she'd totally date me if she didn't have a boyfriend. I should try to be friends with her so I'll be around when things don't work between them. Then I'll have a chance for sure" this ends badly for you especially because you'll think he totally understands he's in the friend zone. But he never realizes it until you turn him down again when you are single. This can make the dude have rage on you and especially women as a whole because he's put on a facade for a long time that didn't end up impressing you enough to date him. Then he goes to websites and gripes about how he was friend zoned and nice guys finish last. That's if things go well. Sometimes trying to shake a guy like this off of you can trigger stalkerish behavior.

You have to be strong. A fortress! Someone who doesn't impress easily and isn't afraid to tell someone you are not interested. Honestly, this requires a lot of studying personality types, sociopathic behavior in humans, I recommend the book The Sociopath Next Door. This helps you understand so much you didn't see before and helps you determine if one of these stage 3 climber dudes are sociopaths. By the way 1 in 25 people are born without a conscience. Many make it through life with only odd quirks noticed by others. Even fewer turn abusive or deadly. But beginning to see life this way you will be on your guard for the signs. This will help anyone (male or female) in the dating world.

Consider this post Entry 1 to a series of posts I will make in this thread. I'm on a small cellphone and it gets tiresome to type long posts without a ton of typos. More is coming....
 

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Working in an adult business has exposed me to some very strange characters. Males and females alike who hit on me in an awkward way and they put me in a position of having to tell them I'm not interested. Sometimes these people don't take my responses seriously the first time. This is when I have to what I call out weirding the weirdos. You'll never cease to be amazed at how ridiculous your responses have to get in order for the other person to get it.

I have different responses to different scenarios. When an odd customer comes in and starts complimenting me like crazy right out the gate, they are either trying to make nice immediately so I won't see them as a shoplifting threat. This just makes me watch them closer btw. Or they literally have no game. I don't act thirsty and desperate for compliments by responding with "Wow! Thanks. You just made my day." This just encourages them to further compliment you. You thought it would shut them up and instead they took it as a sign that they did something to make the pretty lady happy and they think one compliment after another is going to get you interested in them.

I have a quick story. I was at my shop when an overly macho, bully type kept looking me up and down like a juicy steak with a loaded baked potato on the side. He licked his lips and said "damn baby, you are beautiful. And you smell good too" knowing this guy would likely have some homophobia I quickly responded with something that would turn the attention off of his feelings for me and throw him off his game. Once he said "And you smell good, too" I responded with "Thanks, it's men's pheromone cologne. You must pick up on the male pheromones pretty easily." His somewhat toothless smile went away quickly. He cleared his throat. Looked away and stopped talking to me. I gave him his change back on a magazine and off he went.

I was in no way bashing gay people with my comment. But I played into his insecurities by knowing the personality type of a guy who would do that to a woman.

More to come..
 

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Next scene takes you back into my shop where a guy who was coming onto me strongly followed up with "yeah I did 12 years for murder....ugh I mean manslaughter" you wouldn't believe how many women of their caliber are hopeful they will be the first woman the criminal hooks up with as soon as he gets out of prison. So they tell me, so I will be flattered to be their first piece of ads after celibacy in prison. These guys can get very clingy and some women want that kind of devotion.

Once he told me about his 12 years for murder, rather than to act surprised, I thought it was time to freak out the freak. I had to make myself seem really unattractive to this guy to get him away from me. So as I was ringing his purchases up and he mentioned his recent stint in prison, I responded with "yeah, dude, I totally get it. I did time in prison for killing 3 people. See my tattoos? They are all prison tats." My co worker almost blew my cover because it's so funny what I come up with on the fly. Here's a guy who shut up and thought, omg that chick is nuts. She killed 3 people. I'm staying away from her." I didn't even have to turn him down. He turned me down.

This becomes a game it gets so funny. You almost look forward to the advances so another one bites the dust. This turns you from victim to the person in complete control.

Once you weird out the weirdo they decide you are too off your rocker to date. They've talked themselves out of finding you attractive. They've checked out of the game first. You win.
 
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No, not smiley and giggly at all, but not bitchy either.
I think I'm starting to realize that I have to be bitchy in order to get the point across.

Even with aggressive panhandlers, for example. I'll say I'm sorry, I don't have any money to give them, and it just encourages them to start a conversation and keep asking.
I was walking with a friend the other night and we were approached by an aggressive panhandler and she simply said "no" in such a tone that he did an instant little pirouette and went away without saying another word. I have to learn how to do this :(
Ah. It's more of a general assertiveness and self-confidence issue then. Thankfully these are skills you can acquire.
It wouldn't do you any harm to spend a bit more time with that particular friend. Watch her and learn how to do it. If you instinctively behave like prey in these kind of situations, you are putting yourself in that role, but you are also putting the other person in the role of the predator and giving them the power.
All of @Tattooed Goddess advice is spot on. I have also read that book a few years ago. It's useful because it kind of helps to explain the motives and reasons for the way some people behave. I remember thinking parts of the book were just daft, though I can't remember which parts because it was a while ago now. Learning what you can about personality types, and most importantly your own personality, is extremely helpful.
 

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Somewhere up-thread someone mentioned a look, an expression, that works just as well, if not better, than words.

I think I'd agree. I'm not one (rather, I wasn't one) to go out and hit on women, and when I did, if I got a no-go sign, I'd give up right away. It didn't take much. I'd be like, "Yeah, you're right. I don't blame you. This is lame." and slink away. The one time I did get shot down, with a little more gusto than necessary, IMO, was at a bar with three or four friends/coworkers on my last day at that job.

Two young women were standing away from the crowd. I had made enough eye contact with one for me to think that it would be reasonable to go say hello.

In the interim, however, a female friend/coworker pulled me in close and gave me an amazing lip-locking kiss. It took me completely by surprise. We'd never done anything like that before. There had never been any physical contact between us at all. I think once she maybe might have said something about my lips being attractive, but that kiss left me standing there like, 'whoa,' while she walked out of the bar and out of my life. It was her parting shot.

I recovered my senses and caught a glimpse of the other woman, still off to the side. My confidence and virility having been buoyed by a smoldering smooch on a sultry summer evening on a rooftop bar, I approached her. The ensuing vicissitude threw me off balance as much as the kiss had.

The scene went something as follows: "Hi."
"Forget it."
"Huh?"
"I saw what just happened!" The condemnation, the vituperation, her venomous facial expression melted right into me. Her wingman girlfriend glowered at me from over her shoulder. If looks could kill . . .
"But--I had nothing to do with that--she's just a friend--"
"Just a friend?"
"Wait, we're not--I had no idea--"
"It takes two to tango!" she spat. She spun around and cruised away full steam ahead out of the bar. Her wingman girlfriend followed her out.

But man-oh-man. What. A. Kiss!

What a kiss? It happened in right around this time of year, mid-August 1990. That's what a kiss.
 
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You need to be up front and brutal quickly, almost as soon as he begins talking to you. You may even have to interrupt him. He needs to know you are in control and he has no say. You can still be "professional" about it, but you can't be sweet and you need to be quick, before he has any investment in you. Yes you may "offend" some of the more sensitive guys, but many will simply appreciate the honesty even if they may not have liked the delivery. Remember, a guy only has so much time in a night to find someone, so the more you can save their time the better for them. The only ones left are the ones who are think they are entitled to be inside every woman on Earth, and her consent is a secondary matter, if even that, and then the guys who will regard a negative response as an affront to his masculinity and thus he must try to reclaim his dominance/masculinity. There's a fair amount of overlap between the two groups too. I suppose there are a few guys who are otherwise nice guys who are clueless but, frankly they lack the social skills to such an extent that they are rare sights at social events anyway (hence why they don't have the skills in the first place). Never, EVER assume that this last type of guy is the guy in front of you if you have turned a guy down and he won't take the hint. Some of you will want to think the best, but you are putting yourself at risk and even the "nice guy" needs to have his behavior corrected, ruthlessly, if necessary (he his clueless after all). Assume the guy intends to do you harm, physically or emotionally because there's a good chance he does. Escalation is warranted and leave no doubt in his mind but not necessarily extremely confrontational, yet. Something like, "That, apparently didn't work so let me spell it out for you. Go away." If he continues, then he has become a threat and act accordingly. You can leave, but ask for an escort and have you hand on a can of defensive spray, just in case. This is NOT a case where you want to avoid being a bother. If there is a host inform them, and if they don't remove them, you need to remove yourself, again with an escort (never alone, NEVER). If you can't find an escort, find a new crowd to hang with and call a cab/Uber/ect. and stay with the crowd until arrival. From a selfish standpoint, back when I was young and courting, I loved an opportunity to provide an escort even if I was hitting it up with a woman. It would prove to the person I was talking to that I put others before myself and I generally care about a woman's safety, even one I don't or barely know. If I do that, I can potentially show two different women that I am a decent prospective lover. And generally, those are the signals you want to be sending to women, guys.
 
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I got a mysterious text message. Some guy I don't even remember giving my number to, or a guy I do remember, whose name I have forgotten. I'm bad at names, and he didn't send a photo. I didn't have his number saved, so he either wasn't interesting to me after all, or I deleted it in my sleep, which happens often. Anyway. He told me how we met, said I was beautiful, and asked me out. I politely declined, citing a new boyfriend. He was gracious. Paid me a few compliments, wished me happiness, and moved on. Seriously, that's how it is supposed to go. In person, that's how you get introduced to my single friend, so you can hit on her instead.
 

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Once I was having dinner with friends--a married couple, a single guy who worked with him and a single woman who worked with her. These two had never met before.

The single guy flirted aggressively with the single woman, putting enormous pressure on her. She politely gave him the cold shoulder. It was obvious she wasn't interested. He didn't get it. He took her politeness to mean she might be receptive and kept after her. This went on for a couple hours. She was very uncomfortable.

At one point the married couple and his single friend left the room. I immediately asked the single woman if she wanted to pretend we were a couple just to get the guy off her back. She agreed. When the other three returned they found us huddled up together holding hands. My arm over her shoulders and hers around my waist cinched it.

It worked. The aggressor's face fell when he returned to the room. He looked daggers at me but stopped pressuring her.

I know this story doesn't help. It's unlikely you'd have a male friend on standby for wedding dates.

A guy who doesn't take no for an answer? I'd toss a drink in his face. Make the wedding reception a memorable one.

"Fuck off" or "Go drop dead," gets me to stop.