Frat boys sure have stupid pranks and their antics are dumb and annoying, but I sure love 'em. They've got this sort of charming zest for life that is infectious.
About circle jerks, the book I mentioned didn't say they "only" happened during the 50s and before Playboy -- but that they were
more common back then, back before Playboy was around and back before boys had a general concept of what "gay" meant.
The book said that back before Playboy, back before guys knew what "gay" really was (back when "gay" simply meant "cheerful"), it was more common for young males to get together, tell each other dirty stories, pull their pants off, and jack off together.
In today's world where just about every other talk show is about gay people (where we have gay talk show hosts and mainstream sitcoms with gay characters), where any pre-teen boy can get a ton of porn on the net and jack off by himself in his room, we have a situation where circle jerks will be less common.
On this forum, some of the "old timers" have mentioned that nudity was mandatory at the YMCA and in many pools. Back then, people were more open about their bodies, apparently. This only made circle jerks more likely.
Thinking this over, I realize that for straight guys the emphasis in a circle jerk might not really be the "erotic" and "sensual" aspect, as it may be for gay guys, but the "utilitarian" aspect. Straight guys sort of make a sport out of it, and infuse it with competition.
When I was a pre-teen and my friend and I used to jack off together (and, by "together," I mean that he was on a cot about four feet from mine, and we stared at the ceiling while we jacked off, just sort of casually conversing about whatever was on our minds), it really wasn't "sensual." Hell, it didn't even really feel sexual. It was more like a sport.
Later, when I did this with the two brothers, the goal was the goal of a regular circle jerk: to see who could come first.
Of course, at some level this is disingenuous of me to say, of course, because you can't get much more sexual than beating off. But there's something different about the emphasis of it for straight guys.
Originally posted by hikerdude@Oct 26 2005, 03:19 AM
I participated in a few in the 80s when i was a teen. so the idea that it was only before Playboy doesn't hold up. We watched videos together and pretended we didn't look at each other's cocks, but we all did. I know i heard from a friend that wasn't there how one of the guys had told him I was hung.
Re: fraternity stuff...we didn't have circle jerks as part of hazing, but similar stuff. pledges had to come into a room of actives one at a time and "drop their drawers". Thing was, when the guy manning the door sent you in, he gave you a bag and said "this is for underwear". the gag was that there was a pair of boxers in the bad you were supposed to drop on the floor and not your pants when they had you stand up front, but well..you're pledging, so most of the guys pulled off their pants.
During pledge week we had to shave each others pubes for one initiation. We also were supposed to find the guy in the pledge class with the biggest cock and have him streak across some part of campus. we didn't all pull out cocks to figure it out, but a couple guys volunteered and they compared with each each other and then one was picked and he showed us all his cock. We heard from the older guys that the guy with the biggest cock was chosen as the pledge class president. But our year they had substituted the streak across campus and I assume since then. One of the guys that was a former pledge president was hung huge and had a special rhyme we had to address him by during pledge week.
Ours was a national that had lost its charter due to drinking problems, but it was definitely the straight party frat of the ones on campus.
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