"size doesn't matter" really means....???

You would think so wouldn't you? I take a more general position on how to treat people. If I allowed what is between my legs to determine how I treat people, then I would probably be a bit of an idiot. The reality is, the size of my penis is inconsequential to how I treat people.



That's the point. Nobody said that a woman should have to apologise for not wanting to have sex with a man who has a small penis. Just that how that situation is handled shouldn't be so abrupt.

I don't really have much of a preference for "big tits n ass". But even if I did, I just simply could not imagine telling someone to their face "sorry, but your tits are just too small for me". What an arrogant prick I would have to be to do such a thing and yet, there seems to be some women who think it is perfectly fine to behave in this manner.

There are lots of arrogant pricks out there who have no problem telling a woman she's to fat to fuck, her tits are too small, etc.

I love big dicks, but I have never once said to a guy whom I thought was too small "Yeah, your dick isn't big enough for me." If I'm out with a guy and things get to feeling each other up, and he doesn't feel big enough for me, it ends there. We kiss, we touch, we say our good byes, and we move on. You can avoid small cocks without being a douche.
 
There are lots of arrogant pricks out there who have no problem telling a woman she's to fat to fuck, her tits are too small, etc.

I hate to say it, but it's true - there are a great many men who are pretty vocal about what they find sexually attractive in a woman. Maybe I just bring it out in guys, but I've been told my tits are too big, too small, my armpits aren't concave enough, my ass is too small etc - in bed! All under the guise of honesty and expressing a preference and whose opinions I do not seek. Apparently my sparkling personality trapped them into dating and bedding me, but something about me led them to believe my self esteem could handle the truth. Sort of...but it hurts coming from someone you like. And now you won't see anymore.

I have never done that to a man. Never. Whether it's a personality trait or a physical issue, what's unattractive to one person will be adorable to someone else. I don't have the right to make someone feel self conscious about something that they may have no control over.
 
I hate to say it, but it's true - there are a great many men who are pretty vocal about what they find sexually attractive in a woman. Maybe I just bring it out in guys, but I've been told my tits are too big, too small, my armpits aren't concave enough, my ass is too small etc - in bed! All under the guise of honesty and expressing a preference and whose opinions I do not seek. Apparently my sparkling personality trapped them into dating and bedding me, but something about me led them to believe my self esteem could handle the truth. Sort of...but it hurts coming from someone you like. And now you won't see anymore.

I have never done that to a man. Never. Whether it's a personality trait or a physical issue, what's unattractive to one person will be adorable to someone else. I don't have the right to make someone feel self conscious about something that they may have no control over.

I'm sorry but your armpits are honestly just a little too concave. There, I said it. Phew.

WTF?
 
I hate to say it, but it's true - there are a great many men who are pretty vocal about what they find sexually attractive in a woman. Maybe I just bring it out in guys, but I've been told my tits are too big, too small, my armpits aren't concave enough, my ass is too small etc - in bed! All under the guise of honesty and expressing a preference and whose opinions I do not seek. Apparently my sparkling personality trapped them into dating and bedding me, but something about me led them to believe my self esteem could handle the truth. Sort of...but it hurts coming from someone you like. And now you won't see anymore.

I have never done that to a man. Never. Whether it's a personality trait or a physical issue, what's unattractive to one person will be adorable to someone else. I don't have the right to make someone feel self conscious about something that they may have no control over.

Agreed.
Had a guy tell me, after sex, "You're perfect for me in every way, except your body. I could never imagine waking up to you every day."

Swear to god. Those were his words.
 
I'm sorry but your armpits are honestly just a little too concave. There, I said it. Phew.

WTF?

I know! I didn't even know armpit concavity was something a woman should be concerned about! I now know there are those with little fetishes for armpits who prefer a specific curve....

Lucky for me (sarcastic font implied) the foot lovers find my feet perfectly shaped! So, I dodged a bullet on that one! *whew*

I LOVE dating! :tongue:
 
I know! I didn't even know armpit concavity was something a woman should be concerned about! I now know there are those with little fetishes for armpits who prefer a specific curve....

Lucky for me (sarcastic font implied) the foot lovers find my feet perfectly shaped! So, I dodged a bullet on that one! *whew*

I LOVE dating! :tongue:

I never even considered that the shape of my arm pits would be why I'm always single. God. Now another body part I need to stress over.
 
Agreed.
Had a guy tell me, after sex, "You're perfect for me in every way, except your body. I could never imagine waking up to you every day."

Swear to god. Those were his words.

OMG! I wish you were kidding! But I have heard almost those exact words!

Fortunately, there are guys, who can't imagine saying anything remotely like that to a woman. I want one of those guys. Or none at all. Starting to think seriously it's not worth it. I have a full life. :smile:
 
There are lots of arrogant pricks out there who have no problem telling a woman she's to fat to fuck, her tits are too small, etc.

To those men I would say precisely the same thing. You see, nobody would ever agree that such men and their actions are fair enough. Pretty much everyone, but for those men, would say that behaviour like that is nasty and unpleasant.

It is a tricky one though because penis size is much more of an issue than breast size when it comes to sex/relationships. That's another issue too. If someone was out looking for a bit of fun and not necessarily a relationship, then a small penis could well be a deal breaker.

Most men do get a lot of their sense of manhood from their penis, so it can be a bit of a delicate situation if a man has a small penis. I've only ever known one person with a very small penis and he never really seem bothered about it at all. I suppose, in such circumstances, you would have to really deal with it, accept it for what it is and not be emotional about it. From what I've seen, a lot of men go the other way and actually enjoy having a small penis.
 
So.... after 38 years of marriage, I guess I answered all of the trick questions correctly:

Does this make me look fat

Are my breasts big enough

Do you notice anything new

I'm not hungry

You pick it out

It' ok if you go fishing

Why didn't you call

Does this need more salt

etc...

BJ :biggrin1:
 
So.... after 38 years of marriage, I guess I answered all of the trick questions correctly:

Does this make me look fat

Are my breasts big enough

Do you notice anything new

I'm not hungry

You pick it out

It' ok if you go fishing

Why didn't you call

Does this need more salt

etc...

BJ :biggrin1:

They're not trick questions. They're mostly cues for validation and/or approval. Love isn't war.
 
What an arrogant prick I would have to be to do such a thing and yet, there seems to be some women who think it is perfectly fine to behave in this manner.


Only if you're naive enough to believe that a few fetishists on this site represent real life norms.
I'm not in everyone's bedroom, but I'd venture a guess that the scene you described - of a woman turning down sex upon seeing a guy's junk and deciding it's too small - virtually does not happen. The reasons are many. First, the woman would have to be turning down guys left and right, because most guys are avgish. Second, sex can, for the vast majority, be great whether or not the guy is big, so she'd be rejecting a guy who she was attracted to and could have great sex with. It doesn't make sense.
I think people take in information through the filters they already have. If you have experience in real life and have your head screwed on straight, you dismiss a lot of stuff here as just being the fantasies of fetishists. If you are determined to believe there are women who go around kicking guys out of their bedroom after they dropped the drawers, then that's what you'll believe.
 
I love the total conceitedness of those two sentences.

It falls into line with this modern practice of thinking that being honest allows you to be hurtful. It also chimes with another thing people do of saying "no disrespect but...." and then saying something thoroughly disrespectful.

It's very kind of you to allow a small membered chap to face reality. But it is a reality he will be very well aware of. Honesty is not always respectful. As much as you might like to think otherwise. Would you show the respect of honesty to a 5 year old child and tell them that Santa Clause doesn't exsist? Knowing how and when to use honesty is the foundation of a well adjusted person, honest.

I would not disabuse your young relatives of the notion that you can be trusted to tell the truth, but the idea of the existence of Santa Claus would not come from me. More pertinently, I do not fuck children. That's repugnant, illegal and immoral. So, I fully expect that anyone I would reject after we undressed would be a grown man, and could handle a gentle presentation of facts. For better or worse, dicks do not grow on foreheads, so it's pretty impossible to know whether or not I like it until a fairly vulnerable stage. But I do unto others as I would have them do unto me. I don't want anyone laying with me who doesn't really want to. I'd rather be told it isn't working out, the second it isn't working out.

And maybe you don't get this because you are not a woman, but I am not letting anyone put anything inside my body if I do not like it. I can be nice about it (I don't think the one dude I rejected partially because of his weirdly shaped, tiny dick would complain too loudly that my rejection consisted of giving him orgasms until he fell asleep and then vanishing without a trace). I would never be unnecessarily unkind. But unless a whole lot of other things are just perfect, and I'm talking about things I might let go of with another man, like eye color, or his opinion of Rush Limbaugh, there is a certain size range above which or below which my experience says I probably wouldn't like, and I would find a way out of the encounter if he wasn't so phenomenal otherwise that I wanted to try it out. But by phenomenal otherwise, I really do mean the stuff of legends.

I'm not conceited. I just want to only share my body with those who are really totally into me, and as a courtesy, I would never let anyone waste his time with me if I wasn't all about him. So yes. If I ever find myself dating or sleeping around again, and I stumble across the rare dick I do not like (only been one in nearly two decades) I won't sneak out like a coward as I did last time. I might thank him for a lovely evening, tell him I can't go through with it, and bounce. If he presses and must have a reason, I will let him know diplomatically I don't like his penis. It won't be the end of the world. Just like it wasn't the end of the world when a man undressed me and then told me he was disappointed that my breasts were not fake, which is his preference. He also expressed shock and disappointment over the shape of my vulva. I was disappointed, but I got over it, and he was blunt and forthright, but not actually unkind.

Before I go, I have to say I wonder how you missed the last part of the same paragraph from which came those sentences to which you took offense. I hope most people know that context is everything. Let's reprise my idea of one honest, respectful way to exit when the issue is a mismatched size, whether too big or too small:
AlteredEgo said:
"My experience tells me we were not built for each other. Let's masturbate to some porn since we are both horny right now, and then let's stay friends."
 
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I agree with all of this. I'm afraid some guys will completely miss the point though. You said "the rare dick I do not like (only been one in nearly two decades)." I think some guys read all this and miss that point - one in 2 decades. They'll think you go around rejecting guys for their dicks if they aren't huge.
I think the whole penis topic is just so sensitive that middle grounds get lost. "Yes it matters, but not enough to be a major factor in who we pick" gets heard as some huge or nothing falsehood.
I've never had the situation happen but I think if a guy took it out and it really was so much out of the norm that he became significantly less attractive, I'd probably do what you did because yeah, I'm not getting with someone I'm not that into. I just think a situation like that would be pretty rare. I'm not at all saying it doesn't matter or when it pops out I don't notice what he's working with, but to completely discount that it could still be really good it would have to be pretty unusual I think.

I would not disabuse your young relatives of the notion that you can be trusted to tell the truth, but the idea of the existence of Santa Claus would not come from me. More pertinently, I do not fuck children. That's repugnant, illegal and immoral. So, I fully expect that anyone I would reject after we undressed would be a grown man, and could handle a gentle presentation of facts. For better or worse, dicks do not grow on foreheads, so it's pretty impossible to know whether or not I like it until a fairly vulnerable stage. But I do unto others as I would have them do unto me. I don't want anyone laying with me who doesn't really want to. I'd rather be told it isn't working out, the second it isn't working out.

And maybe you don't get this because you are not a woman, but I am not letting anyone put anything inside my body if I do not like it. I can be nice about it (I don't think the one dude I rejected partially because of his weirdly shaped, tiny dick would complain too loudly that my rejection consisted of giving him orgasms until he fell asleep and then vanishing without a trace). I would never be unnecessarily unkind. But unless a whole lot of other things are just perfect, and I'm talking about things I might let go of with another man, like eye color, or his opinion of Rush Limbaugh, there is a certain size range above which or below which my experience says I probably wouldn't like, and I would find a way out of the encounter if he wasn't so phenomenal otherwise that I wanted to try it out. But by phenomenal otherwise, I really do mean the stuff of legends.

I'm not conceited. I just want to only share my body with those who are really totally into me, and as a courtesy, I would never let anyone waste his time with me if I wasn't all about him. So yes. If I ever find myself dating or sleeping around again, and I stumble across the rare dick I do not like (only been one in nearly two decades) I won't sneak out like a coward as I did last time. I might thank him for a lovely evening, tell him I can't go through with it, and bounce. If he presses and must have a reason, I will let him know diplomatically I don't like his penis. It won't be the end of the world. Just like it wasn't the end of the world when a man undressed me and then told me he was disappointed that my breasts were not fake, which is his preference. He also expressed shock and disappointment over the shape of my vulva. I was disappointed, but I got over it, and he was blunt and forthright, but not actually unkind.

Before I go, I have to say I wonder how you missed the last part of the same paragraph from which came those sentences to which you took offense. I hope most people know that context is everything. Let's reprise my idea of one honest, respectful way to exit when the issue is a mismatched size, whether too big or too small:
 
For better or worse, dicks do not grow on foreheads, so it's pretty impossible to know whether or not I like it until a fairly vulnerable stage.

Well, if you're bold enough to tell a man with his pants around his ankles that he doesn't measure up, then you should be bold enough to lay your cards on the table before he drops his pants. As you say, dicks don't grow on foreheads, but that doesn't mean the only way to discover what is between his legs is to look. Nothing wrong with asking.

Actually, most men with a small penis would probably volunteer the information beforehand to save an unfortunate situation. This isn't a one-way street and I'm not suggesting it is. If a man has a small penis, he has to be aware of the implications and if he allows the situation to get to the point where he has dropped his pants, then he is not without blame if he ends up feeling hurt.

I agree with all of this. I'm afraid some guys will completely miss the point though. You said "the rare dick I do not like (only been one in nearly two decades)." I think some guys read all this and miss that point - one in 2 decades.

Isn't that a bit like saying "I've only murdered, like, one person in 2 decades!". If you're that one person, it sort of matters. I'm not suggesting that anyone does this on a regular basis. I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.
 
I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.

What a sad and unreliable source for one's self-esteem!

Men and women are just in two different boats when it comes to this issue: Men can figure out most of what they need to know about a woman's body while looking at her fully clothed; women, although I've known some who had various methods to discern the vital information with pants still on, are basically guessing until the man stands naked before them.
 
Well, if you're bold enough to tell a man with his pants around his ankles that he doesn't measure up, then you should be bold enough to lay your cards on the table before he drops his pants. As you say, dicks don't grow on foreheads, but that doesn't mean the only way to discover what is between his legs is to look. Nothing wrong with asking.

Actually, most men with a small penis would probably volunteer the information beforehand to save an unfortunate situation. This isn't a one-way street and I'm not suggesting it is. If a man has a small penis, he has to be aware of the implications and if he allows the situation to get to the point where he has dropped his pants, then he is not without blame if he ends up feeling hurt.



Isn't that a bit like saying "I've only murdered, like, one person in 2 decades!". If you're that one person, it sort of matters. I'm not suggesting that anyone does this on a regular basis. I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.

Like men don't regularly revel in crushing women's self esteem. Please.
 
Isn't that a bit like saying "I've only murdered, like, one person in 2 decades!". If you're that one person, it sort of matters. I'm not suggesting that anyone does this on a regular basis. I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.

1. If you think changing your mind about having sex is the same thing as murdering someone, than yeah, it's a bit like that. Frankly, that's an idiotic comparison.
2. You're saying a woman has a responsibility to have sex with someone she doesn't want to in order to nurture his self-esteem. That's an idea straight out of the dark ages of sexual servitude.
3. I've never turned a guy away due to his junk, but any woman with any tact could do it without making it about his junk. I think honesty is not automatically the best policy.
 
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Isn't that a bit like saying "I've only murdered, like, one person in 2 decades!". If you're that one person, it sort of matters. I'm not suggesting that anyone does this on a regular basis. I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.

Is there anyone who hasn't faced rejection at one time or another? It sucks, but that's life. Get over it and move on.

Also, if a woman telling a guy that his 2.5 inch penis is small is the first time he's becoming aware of such a thing, he needs to get out more.
 
Well, if you're bold enough to tell a man with his pants around his ankles that he doesn't measure up, then you should be bold enough to lay your cards on the table before he drops his pants. As you say, dicks don't grow on foreheads, but that doesn't mean the only way to discover what is between his legs is to look. Nothing wrong with asking.

Actually, most men with a small penis would probably volunteer the information beforehand to save an unfortunate situation. This isn't a one-way street and I'm not suggesting it is. If a man has a small penis, he has to be aware of the implications and if he allows the situation to get to the point where he has dropped his pants, then he is not without blame if he ends up feeling hurt.



Isn't that a bit like saying "I've only murdered, like, one person in 2 decades!". If you're that one person, it sort of matters. I'm not suggesting that anyone does this on a regular basis. I'm just suggesting that, on any basis, it is probably a real crushing blow to the self-esteem of the man whenever it does happen.

I rejected a dude whose dick was completely abnormal. How often am I going to run across a man whose dick is misshapen AND under 3" long? And even if I was the sort who would reject average (which I also almost never run across), I still disagree that a late-stage change of program is cruel. I still think just letting him know, in plain and gentle language that your plans have changed is more respectful than being a phony. I believe most of the time, if you keep your mouth shut you are being condescending.

I also believe you're demonstrating something very disturbing because despite my writing to the contrary, everything you write insists that this is about men with small dicks. I have always said that size matters insomuch as it must feel like a good fit for both partners. From my perspective if a man doesn't fit with me, it is as likely to be because it is too big as too small. No matter which way, if I know it doesn't fit properly, I'm done. Why waste our time? You claim to have always had an above average size, even before enhancement, but you are clearly projecting small-dick insecurity into this conversation, assuming that a small penis is always bad, that men with small erections are always rejected, and that their egos are always as frail as yours. I'm going to go ahead and keep projecting my own feelings onto my potential partners, and assume that just as I only want them to fuck me if they really want to, they would only want me to fuck them if I was really into it. I'm not going to condescend to the fella and assume that he doesn't have the fortitude to withstand a polite pass.