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[950483]

Would it then perhaps be more comparable, for arguments sake, to a person feeling that they had been born into the wrong species and identifying as a dog or a cat?, because people do that yknow. I would defend their right to do what makes them happy, and live their lives the way they want to, but I still would not believe them to actually be a dog or cat, and I would really wonder about any doctor or surgeon advocating or performing surgery to help that person's outsides match their insides.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Would it then perhaps be more comparable, for arguments sake, to a person feeling that they had been born into the wrong species and identifying as a dog or a cat?, because people do that yknow. I would defend their right to do what makes them happy, and live their lives the way they want to, but I still would not believe them to actually be a dog or cat, and I would really wonder about any doctor or surgeon advocating or performing surgery to help that person's outsides match their insides.

Well I suppose all I can say is I'll agree to disagree with you.

I see nothing wrong with body modification when done in a safe, professional setting, and all the risks are discussed and understood prior to the procedure.

Anyway, this conversation derailed far enough. I have a habit of doing that lately. I'll be off now.

 

[TexanStar]

I'm getting hard just reading this post, @DaisyDoesIt !!

Then you've got something in common.

 

[Mule]

And ours, too!

In your trembling excitement, you replied to a six-and-a-half year old post by someone who is no longer here...

 

[AlteredEgo]

I myself refer to peeps with the pronouns they choose for themselves. I do understand your point about the fact that there is still a difference between women who are born female and women burn male but do not identify with that gender, but that difference isn't enough for me to knowingly call someone something that may make them uncomfortable.

It doesn't affect me negatively to address someone as they prefer to be, but it may affect them negatively when I refuse to respect their wishes.

Just my pennies to add to the change jar...

Oh yeah. Whatever pronouns and adjectives a person wants is fine by me when in conversation with them, or about them specifically. But when speaking generally, I use the adjective 'transwoman' and the the pronouns 'she' and 'her'. I use opposite pronouns for transmen.

My internet access is not great at the moment and is limited to what crumbs I can squeeze out of my phone . Otherwise I would be researching the origins of the word 'woman'. I think it might simply mean 'not a man'.
I agree with you on this subject. I also am strongly against the idea of so-called gender reassignment surgery. Even so, I tend to be supportive of any trans people I encounter in real life and will fight their corner. I don't believe that I am transphobic, I just think that in many years to come people will see all of this in a very different light, like bad 80's hairstyles.

I'm nervous about the idea of these surgeries, only because studies show those diagnosed with gender dysphoria do not statistically improve emotionally and mentally in terms of alleviation of symptoms such as depression, and suicidal thoughts. I am particularly nervous because one transman I know had undiagnosed disassociative disorder. I met several alters, all male. I originally met the female whose body and mind it was. Several years into hormone therapy, when it had been years since the female had taken the front, she came to me and begged me to help her understand what the alters were doing to her body. I have never known quite what to do. I have often thought I should tell their doctor what I know. These therapies and the surgeries they have had are not generally approved for someone that mentally ill. However, I am absolutely for people having autonomy over self. That's the only time I've ever encountered conflict over what is my personal responsibility on this kind of issue. It's the only time I ever encountered the question of who is self?

 

[in6087]

In your trembling excitement, you replied to a six-and-a-half year old post by someone who is no longer here...

You win some, you lose some ;-)

 

[Englishmansabroad]

I myself refer to peeps with the pronouns they choose for themselves. I do understand your point about the fact that there is still a difference between women who are born female and women burn male but do not identify with that gender, but that difference isn't enough for me to knowingly call someone something that may make them uncomfortable.

It doesn't affect me negatively to address someone as they prefer to be, but it may affect them negatively when I refuse to respect their wishes.

Just my pennies to add to the change jar...

I feel exactly the same as you about this issue. Also agree with most of the things you say in later posts.

Actually I'm trans.l don't go around as a woman now ( called presenting in the jargon), but I have done, and I tried hormones for a short while. This is called detransition in trans speak.

I do post in the trans section sometimes, but hold different opinions than others there like @mizzs

 

[Englishmansabroad]

(trying to type on tiny phone, keep pressing the wrong buttons)
Cont'd.
@MizzSummers But I know as much about the subjects as anyone here.

I don't agree with everything posted by people on this thread. @AlteredEgo keeps talking about "alters"-what are they?(or is this a Freudian slip r.e.her user name?.

Its a bit unlikely being dissociated would be misdiagnosed as G.D.not impossible though I suppose.Schizophrenia is the usual suspect.G.D.is classed in DSM as a disorder,but not a mental illness.

I'm not convinced studies show more suicides etc after transition.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I don't agree with everything posted by people on this thread. @AlteredEgo keeps talking about "alters"-what are they?(or is this a Freudian slip r.e.her user name?.

Its a bit unlikely being dissociated would be misdiagnosed as G.D.

Please read what is written, without replacing what I've carefully written with your own ideas. I NEVER wrote that they were misdiagnosed. I specifically wrote that they were undiagnosed. I leave open the possibility of multiple disorders. After all, her alters (as Google would have told you is what the fractured personalities of a person with dissociative disorder are called) do believe they each have the right to their own lives, and that they are men and boys, trapped inside a female body. The original self is the only woman, and the body is biologically female. The alters originally saw themselves as her protector and savior, and once she was safe, after decades of bouncing from one abusive, dangerous situation to another, they felt owed a chance to thrive, each on their own. They do not want therapy to be unified into one whole person again, and are content to share the front, with one particular alter taking control for years at a time, standing down only briefly, when a particular one of the alters usually takes over. There are seven alters in total. I have met three. I don't like any of them. I liked the original woman. Her alters are lazy, entitled little twats, even if they are more resiliant than she is. Dissociative disorder is extremely rare. To find it, I imagine a doctor would have to hear hoofbeats and expect a zebra, rather than a horse. This is especially true since the alters lie, and would be unlikely to tell a doctor about fugue states, nor let the woman have the front to talk to the doctor for herself.

I also did not say that studies show an increased likelihood of suicide after bottom surgery. Fucking read. I wrote that studies showed no improvement in cases of suicidal thoughts and depression.

 

[Englishmansabroad]

Please read what is written, without replacing what I've carefully written with your own ideas. I NEVER wrote that they were misdiagnosed. I specifically wrote that they were undiagnosed. I leave open the possibility of multiple disorders. After all, her alters (as Google would have told you is what the fractured personalities of a person with dissociative disorder are called) do believe they each have the right to their own lives, and that they are men and boys, trapped inside a female body. The original self is the only woman, and the body is biologically female. The alters originally saw themselves as her protector and savior, and once she was safe, after decades of bouncing from one abusive, dangerous situation to another, they felt owed a chance to thrive, each on their own. They do not want therapy to be unified into one whole person again, and are content to share the front, with one particular alter taking control for years at a time, standing down only briefly, when a particular one of the alters usually takes over. There are seven alters in total. I have met three. I don't like any of them. I liked the original woman. Her alters are lazy, entitled little twats, even if they are more resiliant than she is. Dissociative disorder is extremely rare. To find it, I imagine a doctor would have to hear hoofbeats and expect a zebra, rather than a horse. This is especially true since the alters lie, and would be unlikely to tell a doctor about fugue states, nor let the woman have the front to talk to the doctor for herself.

I also did not say that studies show an increased likelihood of suicide after bottom surgery. Fucking read. I wrote that studies showed no improvement in cases of suicidal thoughts and depression.

First of all, what happened to blocking me for being a bitch?,second of all,the condition you describe is called schizophrenia, not whatever you call it.

I could write lots more clever stuff, but am going to bed.Goodnight to all of your divided selves, that being the correct term (and @thedividedself being a much cleverer username for you)

(retracts claws)

 

[AlteredEgo]

First of all, what happened to blocking me for being a bitch?,second of all,the condition you describe is called schizophrenia, not whatever you call it.

I could write lots more clever stuff, but am going to bed.Goodnight to all of your divided selves, that being the correct term (and @thedividedself being a much cleverer username for you)

(retracts claws)

I put you on ignore for being a jackass. I did. And you still are both a jackass, and on ignore. But there's a clever little button that lets you see ignored content, if you wonder if you're missing anything. You tagged me. I happened to see. I responded.

I do not have dissociative disorder, and am not fractured.

Rather than clever, your post is stupid. Are you? Or, is it laziness and ignorance that makes search engines elusive for you? Dissociative disorder (which used to be called multiple personality disorder, and has apparently been renamed dissociative identity disorder) is not schizophrenia, Genius.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dissociative+disorder+vs+schizophrenia

 

[MizzSummers]

Gurl @Englishmansabroad . Why did you tag me? lol. Yes we have different opinions, but you also seem to like to troll posts and often get things removed because you feel the need to force your opinion on others, and everyone that doesn't follow your ideology you tend to go off. Your posts keep getting removed because you are offending people. Like why the hell are you preaching trans issues in the Womens Issues sections in a post regarding hand jobs? Like do you have any sort of life outside of LPSG? You coming onto random groups and starting drama because you are bored and giving out wrong information isn't helping anyone.

Honey you need to realize, Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them but most people don't want them shoved in their face. There will be people that are against trans people. There are people that are against everything. There is no perfect world.

As for people assuming we aren't real, well we are. lol. Genital Dysphoria is a thing that effects many, but not all, and its not actually strictly for the Trans based Community. Some Cisgender people have this issue too. It is a medical issues, that has been proven. Most trans women don't necessarily just get SRS because of the fact they want a vagina, some do it simply for convenience as have a dick when you want to go swimming etc, is kinda hard. Also the onslaught of hormone replacement generally results in the penis being useless.

Please Educate yourself or your just going to look like a moron blabbing useless Opinions.

And Finally, The term trans is not a fucking gender Identity, its a slur. Please stop saying " people who identify as trans" Its not a thing. Here is the definition:

trans (also known as she-male) is a term primarily used in sex work to describe a trans woman with male genitalia and female secondary sex characteristics, usually including breasts from breast augmentation or use of hormones. Many transgender people regard the term trans as offensive, arguing that it mocks or shows a lack of respect towards transgender individuals;[1][2] in this view, the term emphasizes the natal sex of a person and neglects their gender identity. Using the term trans for a transsexual woman often implies that she is working in the sex trade.[3] The phrase is commonly used in pornography.[2]

Anyways. have a good day, please continue talking about hand jobs.. as that is the Topic.

xox

Savvy

 

[Englishmansabroad]

Gurl @Englishmansabroad . Why did you tag me? lol. Yes we have different opinions, but you also seem to like to troll posts and often get things removed because you feel the need to force your opinion on others, and everyone that doesn't follow your ideology you tend to go off. Your posts keep getting removed because you are offending people. Like why the hell are you preaching trans issues in the Womens Issues sections in a post regarding hand jobs? Like do you have any sort of life outside of LPSG? You coming onto random groups and starting drama because you are bored and giving out wrong information isn't helping anyone.

Honey you need to realize, Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them but most people don't want them shoved in their face. There will be people that are against trans people. There are people that are against everything. There is no perfect world.

As for people assuming we aren't real, well we are. lol. Genital Dysphoria is a thing that effects many, but not all, and its not actually strictly for the Trans based Community. Some Cisgender people have this issue too. It is a medical issues, that has been proven. Most trans women don't necessarily just get SRS because of the fact they want a vagina, some do it simply for convenience as have a dick when you want to go swimming etc, is kinda hard. Also the onslaught of hormone replacement generally results in the penis being useless.

Please Educate yourself or your just going to look like a moron blabbing useless Opinions.

And Finally, The term trans is not a fucking gender Identity, its a slur. Please stop saying " people who identify as trans" Its not a thing. Here is the definition:

trans (also known as she-male) is a term primarily used in sex work to describe a trans woman with male genitalia and female secondary sex characteristics, usually including breasts from breast augmentation or use of hormones. Many transgender people regard the term trans as offensive, arguing that it mocks or shows a lack of respect towards transgender individuals;[1][2] in this view, the term emphasizes the natal sex of a person and neglects their gender identity. Using the term trans for a transsexual woman often implies that she is working in the sex trade.[3] The phrase is commonly used in pornography.[2]

Anyways. have a good day, please continue talking about hand jobs.. as that is the Topic.

xox

Savvy

1)I intended simply to mention you as someone who's opinion is different from mine.

2)No.nothing was removed bar one post in the trans section. Really due to confusion of status, not trolling.

3)Then if people are against us we can defend ourselves/speak out.

4)But you're doing this yourself aren't you ?(I.e.dismissing/disrespecting opinions that differ from yours).You use words like "moron"and " useless opinions" to describe people who/views that disagree with you/you disagree with.The issue on the other thread is that people ask something, and the answer is only from one point of view: it is biased. Not all trans people/authorities on transgender agree with these p.c.views( see below).Far from going out of way to push my views,I avoided replying to you in the trans section on these controversial issues.

5)I do not need to "educate myself". People are not uneducated on an issue simply because they don't agree with you.

I do not agree no one self defines as trans.I don't agree even that there are no trans people who are fetishistic. These people define as autogynephilic, as I do.Blanchard, Bailey,Laurence and many other authorities support this fact.It is wrong to think these people are anti trans-Anne Bailey is herself a trans woman.Even Felix Conrad came around to believing in A.G.

TERFS and others misused these ideas in am anti trans way.

Blanchard defines shemales as " partial autogynephilics".In every major city-especially southern Europe/the near and far east/Latin America they exist. Many are in the sex industry, but not all.I actually find your dismissal of these communities(autogynephiles and shemales) patronising, in a similar way that some Feminists cannot accept that prostitution is a legit choice for some woman,and that not all sex workers are forced into the work by men.

Further the idea that hormones always cause impotence is inaccurate.It depends on dose,combination of these with anti androgens etc.Many do not want this,as is attested to by the fact that Laurence and Bailey gave out controlled amounts of them at their clinics, so patients penises still functioned.You are only giving out the old fashioned ideas based on the p.c.party line of pathway. This derived from Harry Benjamins theories de sexualising us. This is as bad as hyper sexualisation.

6)The discussion here arose naturally. The members deserve a debate inclusive of the views of all trans folk,not just ones like you. I see nothing in YOUR post about "hand Jobs"!.

 

[firsttimecaller]

I always refer to males who identify as women as transgender or trans-women, and do not accept being described as cis-gender or cis-woman. I am a woman or a female, no further denotation required. I am told my way of thinking is othering, and not tolerant.

I'm gonna paraphrase someone else who echoes my thoughts on this...

If identifying with the sex/gender you were born with is not normal, then nothing is normal.

Referring to people like that as "cis" is basically like referring to people with 10 fingers as "10-fingered".

There are baselines in life, whether you like it or not.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

My issue with is, and I will use it as needed in context, is that it still sets some women, transwomen, and some men, transmen, apart.

I'm a big tent thinker here.
My experience growing up identified as female is different than my daughter's experience growing up male identified.

I've said I fight for my rights as a woman, while my daughter fights to be a woman.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

And I'm trying to circle the Wagon back to hand jobs.

All wrists get tired?

 

[950483]

Gurl @Englishmansabroad . Why did you tag me? lol. Yes we have different opinions, but you also seem to like to troll posts and often get things removed because you feel the need to force your opinion on others, and everyone that doesn't follow your ideology you tend to go off. Your posts keep getting removed because you are offending people. Like why the hell are you preaching trans issues in the Womens Issues sections in a post regarding hand jobs? Like do you have any sort of life outside of LPSG? You coming onto random groups and starting drama because you are bored and giving out wrong information isn't helping anyone.

Honey you need to realize, Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them but most people don't want them shoved in their face. There will be people that are against trans people. There are people that are against everything. There is no perfect world.

As for people assuming we aren't real, well we are. lol. Genital Dysphoria is a thing that effects many, but not all, and its not actually strictly for the Trans based Community. Some Cisgender people have this issue too. It is a medical issues, that has been proven. Most trans women don't necessarily just get SRS because of the fact they want a vagina, some do it simply for convenience as have a dick when you want to go swimming etc, is kinda hard. Also the onslaught of hormone replacement generally results in the penis being useless.

Please Educate yourself or your just going to look like a moron blabbing useless Opinions.

And Finally, The term trans is not a fucking gender Identity, its a slur. Please stop saying " people who identify as trans" Its not a thing. Here is the definition:

trans (also known as she-male) is a term primarily used in sex work to describe a trans woman with male genitalia and female secondary sex characteristics, usually including breasts from breast augmentation or use of hormones. Many transgender people regard the term trans as offensive, arguing that it mocks or shows a lack of respect towards transgender individuals;[1][2] in this view, the term emphasizes the natal sex of a person and neglects their gender identity. Using the term trans for a transsexual woman often implies that she is working in the sex trade.[3] The phrase is commonly used in pornography.[2]

Anyways. have a good day, please continue talking about hand jobs.. as that is the Topic.

xox

Savvy

When another person's opinions or experiences on this subject do not match your own, that does not necessarily mean that they are against trans people.
I would assume 'trans' to be offensive or derogatory because I've only ever heard the word used in that context, and wouldn't use the word myself, but if someone else wants to identify as 'trans' and feel good about it (a bit like reclaiming the word 'queer') then that is fine by me.

 

[950483]

In a society that accepts that gender is a spectrum, not a binary, where masculine women and feminine men are more accepted a lot of this 'emperor's new clothes' nonsense will become obsolete.
I would caution any young person against doing anything permanent to their bodies, and that is one of the main problems I have with all of this trans stuff at the moment.
Another thing that does not sit well with me is that if a middle-aged, middle-class, privileged, white, American male one day decided that he was going to spend his disposable income on becoming black, because even though he'd enjoyed these privileges for many years, he had secretly felt black the whole time, how would that not be offensive to so many people?, and would whatever he did to make his outside match his inside actually make him black? I suppose he could argue after his transition that he was black because he had to endure the same discrimination and racism, and had even been shot by the police. No. Because having the luxury to choose negates the whole fucking thing.

 

[950483]

I don't really see any good reason to return to discussing the original subject of the thread. After all, it's not particularly a women's issue. If anyone wants to continue discussing this subject either here or in a different thread then I'm happy to do so.

 

[firsttimecaller]

Another thing that does not sit well with me is that if a middle-aged, middle-class, privileged, white, American male one day decided that he was going to spend his disposable income on becoming black, because even though he'd enjoyed these privileges for many years, he had secretly felt black the whole time, how would that not be offensive to so many people?

My initial thoughts on the Rachel Dolezal thing we're probably like most...that lady is a nutcase.

Then the Jenner thing happened and it made me wonder why that was celebrated while Dolezal is an ostracized punchline.

I read a couple articles on it, but their arguments were based more on emotion than logic. If anyone has a good one I'd love to read it!