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Saw something very broadly similar in the New Foresters a few years backA few sneaky sucks and wanks but nothing like a full on balls deep over a pool table with an audience.
Saw something very broadly similar in the New Foresters a few years backA few sneaky sucks and wanks but nothing like a full on balls deep over a pool table with an audience.
It has been my experience that if the opportunity presents itself it will happenAnd I don't mean in the bathroom (straights do that) and I don't mean bathhouses.
My buddy told me that he sees perfectly normal gay guys having oral, anal, you-name-it in gay bars on the reg. That shocked me and I wasn't sure if it was just the bars he frequents or if that's actually a normal occurrence.
Is it true? Is it that standard?
I guess this can only happen if societal homophobia is reduced. Have you ever stop to think how discontinued gay dating is from our regular lifes? Straight people may find their partners at work, school, college, church, market, etc., but we are simply not safe enough to do so. Don't you see how connected this is: 1) gay people are not safe to express their sexuality in their normal life, and 2) gay people often have partners who are only for sex and not for sharing part of their normal life?I truthfully have very radical views on this and cannot help as a gay man push my feelings of how gay society is sexualised and there are no real role models for young gay people! Commitment and love being over run by promiscuity and sending the wrong message of free liberalised sex, without young gays having an experience of being in a committed relationship and never experiencing love! The other night I had to comfort someone who had tried to hang himself after his boyfriend of two months did a u turn and said he didn't want to be in a committed relationship! He is having a really bad time right now and the world that feeds into sex being all that matters sends a bad message to the young who by rights are searching for something else 'Commitment'!
Sex does continue to dominate gay bars and clubs, particularly bars, with dark rooms and places set aside where men have oral and anal sex and there is a rise in gay saunas where it is really like prostitution when your being forced to pay £15 to enter, only its the owners of the saunas who are making the money, where the clients get nothing but sex and not always because they are not always that lucky, because their own expectations are far to high on what they think they can achieve, when their knocked back, over and over by an elite class of gays who are everything they want, but can't attract and as a result, laws are continued to be broken when they resort to using date rape drugs, to attempt to get off with gays beyond their reach!
There are many reasons why I advocate the desexualisation of gay bars, saunas etc, because it sends the wrong message and doesn't advocate relationships or commitment!
These are only my personal views....
A lot of people won't know that I was me who created the secure condom and lube in a cardboard envelop and a tamper proof seal when I approached the NHS and told them about people puncturing free condoms in bars with needles, they asked what I think they can do, so I suggested the envelopes and seals and they worked with organizations like MESMAC to achieve this and now we have the sealed envelopes, with two free condoms and two lube sachets in them.
I guess this can only happen if societal homophobia is reduced. Have you ever stop to think how discontinued gay dating is from our regular lifes? Straight people may find their partners at work, school, college, church, market, etc., but we are simply not safe enough to do so. Don't you see how connected this is: 1) gay people are not safe to express their sexuality in their normal life, and 2) gay people often have partners who are only for sex and not for sharing part of their normal life?
This is not something that can change by advocating monogamy and faithfulness to gay people. You are attempting to produce a fragile artificiality if you try to instill in gay people's minds the value of commitment while society still devalue and ridicule gay love. I believe gay culture will change automatically when the material reality imposed on us change.
But if gay people saw their own potential and worked harder to form strength of self, and fight for freedoms, I was the hardest kid on my school on the 3rd year, that's 13, I beat kids who were much bigger then me, I did boxing, judo ams karate and mix karate and boxing together you have kick boxing, I ruled with an iron fist and game out totally at 14 years old, I fought for gay people and stood by my own and hung around with straight people and fought my way through any shit and no one was bothered I was gay at all, I had proper red neck lads who were straight love me and kiss me on the lips when I saw them, that's how close we are, I have about five straight friends even today who kiss me on the lips and not by my choice, they kiss me! But if gay people don't stand up and be counted then it will never go forward, and promiscuity is a trait of gay people with no interest in commitment because they can get sex so easy!! But we shall see if when they all start to turn into 50 if it will be so easy, because that is the road down, the start and sex will get less and less and when you looks fade and you body starts to sag, each day will be harder and harder! It is not only the fact that people are promiscuous but there are people deliberately infecting others, young and old, whilst other decent kind people with HIV are penalised for being honest about their situation! & are ostracised because of the fact that people puncture condoms with needles and others who know they have to on my country to inform anyone they are infected before having sex DON'T! & say its up to the other person to protect themselves, even young boys who first come out and get drunk and are picked up by these people. I love my fellow man, I have fought for gay rights, at one point with my fists, and later with negotiations and I in my country worked with the NHS to get condoms housed in cardboard envelopes with tamper proof seals, they worked with MESMAC to get this pushed through and it has been in effect for over five years. Relationships are important, how can a straight world except us, if we cannot even prove that we are not promiscuous and are for relationships and marriage, instead of undermining the cause by casual sex and infidelity, we have to be strong, committed and work to find love, and if not, and you have sex, use a blob/condom, I can go on, but ears have to be open, life isn't a game and people have feelings and yes coming on line like this, is just letting people see what their getting before they take as a relationship, it doesn't have to be addiction to cock, people are more than a cock, and what's a cock without a face? I mean someone can have a 20 inch cock, but if you don't see their face, your not going to go with them! Are you? We as gay people have to be stronger! Fight for what we believe in, you can meet some one anywhere, in the shop, in the street, I had a six year relationship and I met my ex in the street, he asked foe mu number and I was so taken back, I gave him it, but I did a few days before flirt with him, but he did chase me for over a year before I gave in and had a relationship with him for six years, but anyone who says you can't find love, is wrong!! Am i not good enough for some one on here?? Do I not deserve to lay my cards with all my pix and say, I am here, show me who you ate and tell me what you want, I don't care if you have a 10, 11, or 12 inch cock, I don't care if your cock is 9 or 8 inches, what's a cock with some one who thinks their cock makes them important because its over a certain size, when you have which I have had and 11 inch cock bf, who cares, believe me, he wasn't all that, he literally was pump pump squirt, he didn't satisfy me, or my needs, just his own, I mean if a man, can't fuck you for at least an hour, what is the fkin point?
I could go on, stop being afraid and step out and seek something more!! YOUR WORTH IT!!
You make some very interesting points. You have also been willing to stand up and act on your beliefs. Bravo.
Rather than think you will ever eliminate the hook up culture you describe, it would be better to make greater efforts to divert people into different venues and social opportunities. Bars as pick up spots are ubiquitous - str8 or gay. Internet hook up sites have pout the scene on steroids. It is not going to go away, rather alternatives need to be developed and expanded. Part of the problem is that there is still a lot of societal scorn towards LGTB people - being open at a young age is more common that it has ever been, but there are still many places where that is nearly impossible. For many the bars and baths were and remain the only places they feel safe being open and able to satisfy the need for human sexual contact.
Again, interesting posts.
I have had so much sex at one of the sleazier bars here. Literally got my cock sucked at the bar, got fucked in the middle of the bar bareback and barebacked the go go boy in the middle of the dance floor on his platform then sucked his huge cock by the bar.
And I don't mean in the bathroom (straights do that) and I don't mean bathhouses.
My buddy told me that he sees perfectly normal gay guys having oral, anal, you-name-it in gay bars on the reg. That shocked me and I wasn't sure if it was just the bars he frequents or if that's actually a normal occurrence. Is it true? Is it that standard?